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I have been watching all day on the riven changes megathread,saw lots of replies to it,some agreeing,some disagreeing the changes,more on the latter with a good point..

Looking at why people disagreed with the change,despite the warning that they are subject to change There are 3 big things here:Time, Money and Satisfaction

Most of us got hit by the changes because we invested time in re-rolling them(and trust me...kuva farm is not fun). Some have lots of rerolls on them just to get the stats they desire,not to mention rivens are a big part of the trading nowadays.So..let us take it this way.. you finally collected enough plat to finally buy one.. you rolll the heck out of it and then gets nerfed. Wouldn't you believe someone is making a joke out of you? 

You made a change in the wrong place,with your playerbase money,and no game developer should meddle with that(The Battlefield V incident or Wargaming's idea to nerf premium sellables had huge backlashes) especially after they have toiled hard to get what they wanted(some of us had gone over 100 rolls and maybe still rolling but the changes showed us its not worth it) not to mention the satisfaction ruined after you get something good, buut it has been altered.

Me personally,after this update, I entered,saw how it affected me and got out of the game,and for sure i won't return so soon, cause i don't like people meddling in my hard work to get ruined.

In the end,this decision will bite you in the butt....

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If you go out of the game only because some tweak of rivens you don't really love the game..

Even if the rivens are removed i will still playing the game.. i mean yea it's less platinum and lost of some stats  (and hours) on my rivens but not even actual gameplay .. and are only here for maximum your weapons that you don't really need to maximum in our nodaw contents..

So yea leave the game only for that mean you don't want to play the game

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I can understand rivens rebalancing. What is not good is treat some players (kohm groll owners) in a special way.

The kohm doesn't need to have a 5 disposition and a +120% status chance roll to be strong, as you can see in the gif below my "not so godly riven" can sh1t on lvl 150 enemies, so why DE haven't touched his dispo?

 

 

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9 minutes ago, Wind_Blade said:

If you go out of the game only because some tweak of rivens you don't really love the game..

Even if the rivens are removed i will still playing the game.. i mean yea it's less platinum and lost of some stats  (and hours) on my rivens but not even actual gameplay .. and are only here for maximum your weapons that you don't really need to maximum in our nodaw contents..

So yea leave the game only for that mean you don't want to play the game

It is your choice, mine is to not get messed up when i worked hard to get it

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10 minutes ago, ShaKaL95 said:

You made a change in the wrong place,with your playerbase money,and no game developer should meddle with that

They kind of have to - Rivens were never supposed to be static. Riven dispositions can go up and down, and without this rebalancing the meta can get very stale.

The problem is not that they changed the dispos that didn't match usage, the problem is that they left it so long that folks invested heavily in the out of place Rivens (because they were the ones that created really OP weapons).

When you see a popular, powerful weapon with a 3-5 point dispo always assume that's gonna change at some point.

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6 hours ago, (XB1)KayAitch said:

They kind of have to - Rivens were never supposed to be static. Riven dispositions can go up and down, and without this rebalancing the meta can get very stale.

The problem is not that they changed the dispos that didn't match usage, the problem is that they left it so long that folks invested heavily in the out of place Rivens (because they were the ones that created really OP weapons).

When you see a popular, powerful weapon with a 3-5 point dispo always assume that's gonna change at some point.

Yes they changed it after lots of people invested real money,and DE knows it. When people invest real money, it becomes a huge problem when you try to nerf it... you are from XB1, you know about EA and their former CEO,and Battlefield V. When you anger those who pay to buy your game,or in this case,invest money in a "free to play" game,chances are that you lose your money. The Customer has the power from there,and you have to please him in order to make money and pay your staff.. This is the same here when rivens got into the game and people made it the main trading source. And some lost a huge load of plat,not to mention time in rerolling,and got mad. I am not the only one,and you should look on how many pages of complainers are on the megathread.

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48 minutes ago, Viges said:

MY RIVEN GOT NERFED BY 10% REEEEEEE

BAD GAME I QUIT REEEEEEE

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You are Mr 5 and you never had one, i don't expect you to understand anyway,let alone understand the hundreds or even thousands of plat or the 110 rolls i have on 1 riven 😒 geez some have absolutely no idea.

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I've done a lot of farming, a lot of rerolling, and a lot of selling when it comes to rivens... and honestly... I don't think the tweaks went far enough in some areas. For example, Sicarus should still not be a 5/5, that hasn't made sense for a long time as the weapon doesn't even need a 5/5, but yet, it barely went down at all. While it did go down by 0.2, as that is apparently the max they will do in any one given moment, unless they actually plan to start adjusting things more regularly, then 0.2 is not enough.

 

Rivens were always supposed to change based on player usage and to make terrible weapons usable (though an argument could be made that this kind of "bandaid" is counterproductive), but DE then just... stopped for too long. Now people are complacent and forgot that they could and should even change at all.

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I get what you're trying to say, except that's a terrible analogy.  Rivens are not something that we buy specifically from DE. They are not marketed as such, in fact, quite the opposite since as you said, all Rivens are subject to change.  They're not forcing you to buy Rivens at any capacity since none of the content in the game even requires them.  I'd be surprised if any of the plat you have was even your own money, anyway.

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10 hours ago, ShaKaL95 said:

Yes they changed it after lots of people invested real money,and DE knows it. When people invest real money, it becomes a huge problem when you try to nerf it... 

You don't 'invest' in any free to play game - play them for fun or not at all. 

The kind of person who does pour money into FTP games is called a 'whale' and you can see the games that are all about 'monetising whales' from miles away, because they're universally awful (either full of gambling or pay per life tedium mechanics).

Warframe is not about monetising whales - multiple times they've removed those kinds of mechanics when they became problematic. Yeah, they need some of their players to stump up cash to stay in business, but they don't want to rinse folks with gambling addictions for every penny the way that Activision-Blizzard do, or that EA are currently fighting in the EU courts to keep doing.

If the riven rebalance puts some of these folks off then, frankly, good. It probably wasn't a healthy activity for them in the first place. There's no legitimate (or even legal) way to get cash out of Warframe. If you're investing because you think this value is real then perhaps it is healthier that you stop, and I'm glad DE would rather balance the game for fun rather than preserve the value of imagined investments.

Spend money because you're having fun, or stop.

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Absolutely no excuse to complain. You knew Rivens were subject to change when you spent that time and money on them. DE explicitly said "We are going to be adjusting Riven dispositions." They said it when Rivens were first introduced, they've said it about every other Devstream, and you still chose to go ahead and invest in them. It's all on you bud.

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11 hours ago, ShaKaL95 said:

You are Mr 5 and you never had one, i don't expect you to understand anyway,let alone understand the hundreds or even thousands of plat or the 110 rolls i have on 1 riven 😒 geez some have absolutely no idea.

 

I PLAYED CASUAL PVE GAME

IT WAS HARD WORK

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11 hours ago, ShaKaL95 said:

You are Mr 5 and you never had one, i don't expect you to understand anyway,let alone understand the hundreds or even thousands of plat or the 110 rolls i have on 1 riven 😒 geez some have absolutely no idea.

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You each have basically the same hours as well.

It's never a good idea to bring other peoples profile's into discussion though, because then you get comments such as this.

I have more hours than both of you put together, I would explain to you why the Riven changes are a good idea but based on your profile I don't expect you to understand. 

And guess what? Someone else can come along with more hours than me and use that to try and prove a point. The thread becomes less about actual constructive debate, and more about epeen.

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Rivens arnt static they were originally intended to change every month or so 

DE droped the ball even announced they dropped and planned to pick it up in the future

DE has picked up the ball and bounced it and i hope they can keep it at a monthly bounce

its your fault for investing in a system you knew was going to change some day the only person you have to be mad at is your self 

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17 minutes ago, seprent said:

Rivens arnt static they were originally intended to change every month or so 

DE droped the ball even announced they dropped and planned to pick it up in the future

DE has picked up the ball and bounced it and i hope they can keep it at a monthly bounce

its your fault for investing in a system you knew was going to change some day the only person you have to be mad at is your self 

Spoken like a true minority. I'm not even worried about the plat I lost. I lost the functionality of my former 1 shot Vectis, my 1 shot Nova orb Strun, guaranteed triple shot rubico and opticor. Who uses the opticor anyways? Even I don't use the opticor!

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The changes were pretty minor... I thought they'd absolutely slam some guns, but they really held back. Complaining that your already amazing gun got its disposition nerfed by like 10 to 15% is silly. The point of rivens isn't to make overused weapons even more powerful. 

 

You knew this was coming and to be quite frankly, you probably expected much bigger nerfs.

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2 hours ago, Descent-of-Damocles said:

Spoken like a true minority. I'm not even worried about the plat I lost. I lost the functionality of my former 1 shot Vectis, my 1 shot Nova orb Strun, guaranteed triple shot rubico and opticor. Who uses the opticor anyways? Even I don't use the opticor!

minority of what? riven envy? mr5 scrub? elaborate i'm just stating how it is my views of rivens are indifferent to disinterested at best i kinda don't like them but i wont gripe on those who use it i do gripe on those who spend 1000s of plat on them but thats mostly from a actual money stand point your money do what you want with it but i'll call it a bad idea since some people spend 100$ or more on a mod that effects one weapon and is subject to change for better or worse with out your input on the matter even so DE said in the worshop rivens will only drop or rise by a max of 0.2 

i just take a Corinth most the time and give it 2-3 shells man not all that into one shots if i can kill something like a 100+ level bombard in say 3 seconds i'm fine with it i'm not a min maxer or what ever i just casually play the game since its enjoyable rivens just are not my cup of tea so i don't use them 

also you reminded me of a opticor user i saw once had a riven that turned the thing into a shot gun of 3-4 lasers and could shoot really fast that was fun to wacth him trying to hit the broad side of a eidolon from far away 

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Kinda upset with the changes to rivens. I welcome a change to them, however I dislike how they changed stuff. 1 NEVER touch what's in a player's inventory, it is always going to upset the players. And have more then just an ingame message saying "hey we #*!%ed with your carefully selected stats that you paid 20$-200$ for and we are not going to tell you why or how in this message". 2 go in depth with explaining what you did in the ingame message it's not hard and a new or casual player can ignore it. But the players who spend quite a bit of money/platinum on rivens will read it.

I recommend rolling back the change and grandfathering in all rivens that exists and change only new rivens and old ones that get rolled.

Otherwise its saying #*!% you and your money, and that hurts with a game like warframe. I put time and money into this and get slapped in the face. I will continue to play but will also think more when buying platinum.

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Le 10/11/2018 à 00:03, ShaKaL95 a dit :

kuva farm is not fun

If it's not fun then don't do it. That should be the end of this thread seriously.

I enjoy it a lot which is why I do the mission in the first place, even if the map isn't the best (too complicated). The riven rolls are just icing on the cake.

Some of my best rivens lost a bit of stats and I'm fine with that, because the riven shaping thing has been an enjoyable journey, so I have no regrets. Some of my rivens did gain quite a bit of oomph too and that's nice.

If you really don't like your things changed and insist on doing things that bore you to death then I suggest not being a meta slave and not spending too much time and/or money on rivens. Weapons like the Hind or Penta are most definitely never going to see disposition nerfed so that should be an option that minimizes frustration for you and while you may laugh at the Hind it does work fine with a decent riven and the Penta is a nice little gem nobody will ever use because it's dangerous.

I have an assortment of both meta and off meta weaponry (like yes, everyone say this is bad, but they may need some off-meta rolls with + magazine or -recoil to be enjoyable) and overall it ensures that no matter what the changes are I'm always a winner.

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12 hours ago, (PS4)Myrodin_du_Pray said:

And have more then just an ingame message saying "hey we #*!%ed with your carefully selected stats that you paid 20$-200$ for and we are not going to tell you why or how in this message". 

Wait, you spent $200 getting the 'perfect' riven (one that's ruined by even -1 pip dispo change)? WTF dude. That's crazy. Don't spend that sort of money 'investing' in a game's closed economy.

By all means spend that on Prime Access and the like, but don't regard it as an 'investment' - think of it as volunteering to pay the price of a 20-hour triple-A game for every 100 hours or so you spend playing Warframe.

Rivens are not an investment, they are not a real commodity or currency. If you think they are then you really shouldn't be playing. They are always going to a) fluctuate wildly in value and b) be impossible (or at least technically illegal) to turn back into cash. Even if DE didn't rebalance the Rivens (which they need to do for the vast majority of players that think it's a game rather than a financial exchange) any new frame/weapon/enemy can change the meta and throw your value away.

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On 2018-11-10 at 12:03 AM, ShaKaL95 said:

In the end,this decision will bite you in the butt....

Even though you're approaching this from completely the wrong end for the completely wrong reasons, at least the conclusion is the same:

Riven Mods were a mistake.

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The rivens still make weapons OP so what is the issue people are having? My crit chance rubico riven for example is still killing eidolans at the same speed esentially. Rivens themselves are not even necesary and just bonus levels of OP. That in mind they still serve their purpose and if you spent all that time and or plat getting or making already OP weapons even more OP that is on you. This is how the system was always meant to work and to say otherwise would be a lie for the sake of greed in the riven market...

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Le 11/11/2018 à 07:23, (PS4)Myrodin_du_Pray a dit :

NEVER touch what's in a player's inventory, it is always going to upset the players.

So you are saying that frames that people already own should not be affect by a rework or a fix as they are in their sacred inventory ? Same with the weapons ?

Le 11/11/2018 à 07:23, (PS4)Myrodin_du_Pray a dit :

hey we #*!%ed with your carefully selected stats that you paid 20$-200$ for and we are not going to tell you why or how in this message".

20$ ? It's look crazy for me to put that in a Riven but 200$ ? Those willing to pay this price should use this money to see a specialist ...

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On 2018-11-09 at 5:15 PM, (PS4)cleefsentence said:

I can understand rivens rebalancing. What is not good is treat some players (kohm groll owners) in a special way.

The kohm doesn't need to have a 5 disposition and a +120% status chance roll to be strong, as you can see in the gif below my "not so godly riven" can sh1t on lvl 150 enemies, so why DE haven't touched his dispo?

 

 

the best part is that the kohm doesn't need 100% status due to how it functions.

 

it fires a single slug at start and progressively adds more rounds to the volley as it goes.....but since it fires so many rounds in FULL HEKING AUTO....it treats status like any full auto rifle does.

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