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vor 22 Minuten schrieb Vanilla_nuka:

Thats literally controlling them though lol, if you want the ability to control more then enemy you'd be better of playing revenant or nekros, shes not really meant to have an army of minions, she meant to have one target to act as a pseudo meat shield and draw enemy fire, or to take advantage of certain enemy faction buffs like an ancient or an eximus

....u dont understand. i am talking about the >>>1<<< enemy she mind controls. u can tell venari to attack a specific target too for example,noone talks about an army of minion...where did u even pull that from, nyx isnt even remotely close to controlling masses of enemies...

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1 minute ago, (PS4)santospizarro said:

add me on warframe when you get the chance, lets run some tests.PSN:santospizarro

I would but I play on PC, I dont own any of the newer consoles

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5 minutes ago, Xydeth said:

....u dont understand. i am talking about the >>>1<<< enemy she mind controls. u can tell venari to attack a specific target too for example,noone talks about an army of minion...where did u even pull that from, nyx isnt even remotely close to controlling masses of enemies..

That would require changing more then just nyx though, that would require changing how players interact with pet AI and I dont think DE is in a position currently to rework that. I agree frames should have more synergies, but as it currently stand what your suggesting doesnt work with how warframe currently is. and sorry, read that wrong, thought you were suggesting she would be able to control more then one enemy. Ive been replying to multiple comments, my mistake

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Changes sound amazing, especially for Nyx.

For her first. I did run the 500% dmg augment with max strenght but the target seems to seek cover for most of the time and just does not effectivly attack. The need a suizidal berserker mode to actually be worthwhile. 

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2 minutes ago, KorpNoobs said:

For her first. I did run the 500% dmg augment with max strenghbut the target seems to seek cover for most of the time and just does not effectivly attack. The need a suizidal berserker mode to actually be worthwhile. 

Oh my max strength monkaS. Well being how they are changing it so that the mind controlled enemy will follow nyx that should alleviate your concern for the most part. Im also pretty sure that power strength doesnt affect the damage output of mind controlled enemies, so running max strength is kinda useless lol

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vor 1 Minute schrieb Vanilla_nuka:

That would require changing more then just nyx though, that would require changing how players interact with pet AI and I dont think DE is in a position currently to rework that. I agree frames should have more synergies, but as it currently stand what your suggesting doesnt work with how warframe currently is. and sorry, read that wrong, thought you wanted her to control more then one enemy,

i highly doubt that. that minion is basically a specter for the duration, it doesnt matter if its a pet or a flying banana...giving it a command script to focus an enemy u target is not something spectacular and thats already in the game, on venari. kavats have a script that forces them to focus an enemy afflicted with a slash procc, pretty similar too. there is nothing impossible about this suggestion from what i can tell and i also cant imagine it requiring to meddle with the general AI. they didnt have to for venari too back then before she got the QOL so it shouldnt be any different in this case.

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7 minutes ago, Netsuki said:

I'm super excited for both of them, though I feel like this should be 100% if you'd want to replicate the thorns ability found in other games. Otherwise, maybe transfer 25% of what would have been the total damage instead of reflecting? It'll help give Titania a bit more survivability (though she already has that evasion boost while in Archwing) The other tribute effects work just fine, but a slight increase in casting speed would still be a nice addition when not in Razorwing.

theseseem like good and logical upgrades for you both, but i dont play titania, so from my perspective they are good fixes, i do however play nyx alot and i hope that you can understand i want new things for your warframe, maybe some non-combat abilities or secondary modes / team & duo skills/ i hope that they give you a break with the new patch, she looks really awesome. Looking at her i think she could use more shield on her warframe or magic whoever that posible, musically i know with octavian technology is predictable but effective, so we need to come up with a few more power ups for your survival. what do you think?

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1 minute ago, Xydeth said:

pretty similar too. there is nothing impossible about this suggestion from what i can tell

I wasnt suggesting that it was impossible, or that DE doesnt already have things similar to that in game, but it would require they devote more time to a thing that wouldnt drastically affect gameplay. Im sure it would give khora players more QoL, but that isnt what this thread is about

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Sounds interesting, especially Nyx, but Titania... Needs a more thorough overhaul to have her other abilities be as good, or at least a fraction of the goodness, as Razorwing.

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Razorwing blitz should be inate and not take up a mod slot. There another feedback

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am literaelly at my fill, just give out more balls and toys for both of the warframes, they really lack spirits, aoe and abilities should contain L3/secondary fire, thats my debate, this would allow players to use the secondary fire for other things without equiping or requiring mods, or aughmentations, those can be reworked to enhance the new primary roles and passive traits of both of the warframes.

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vor 9 Minuten schrieb Vanilla_nuka:

I wasnt suggesting that it was impossible, or that DE doesnt already have things similar to that in game, but it would require they devote more time to a thing that wouldnt drastically affect gameplay. Im sure it would give khora players more QoL, but that isnt what this thread is about

it would affect it in a huge way. u pump the enemy up to lets say 4.5x dmg and then have it attack and enemy whos behind cover or an unimportant target ? the AI behaviour is too random. forcing it to attack a specifi enemy gives players at least a way to focus that dmg and energy investment and give it purpose, other than being a dummy for enemy aggro. why give players a way to pump its dmg up if its still too RNG and mainly a decoy ?

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3 minutes ago, xcenic said:

Razorwing blitz should be inate and not take up a mod slot. There another feedback

exactyl you are the only person who understand me, i been writing about this for like a year in one of my other topics, right next to the polarity slots there could be some changes to allow some passive/inate pwer for both the weapons and warframes as a reward from leveling up, i wrote this and people got really confused on my other topic its crazy!!! yeahb!!

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1 minute ago, Xydeth said:

it would affect it in a huge way. u pump the enemy up to lets say 4.5x dmg and then have it attack and enemy whos behind cover or an unimportant target ? the AI behaviour is too random. forcing it to attack a specifi enemy gives players at least a way to focus that dmg and energy investment and give it purpose, other than being a dummy for enemy aggro. why give players a way to pump its dmg up if its still too RNG and mainly a decoy ?

yeah its pretty dangerous too, you should really have some way to natively activate skills if the player has energy before requiring some activation or press which is distracting, so switching some abilities and mods to passive and inate would be more responsible way to make better decision making and ammo pick-up more intelligent. I dont think running up to a bunch of enemies and spamming abilities is going to save players in rL then again it might! but really want to go towards making the game more passive traits > things like that so we dont look like noobs in the fights lol, also you cant use or repurpose half of the abilities outside of combat! am really happy you gutysguys, this is pretty cool. workships are awesome.workshops i mean! i always eat canned pringles!

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33 minutes ago, Vanilla_nuka said:

I would but I play on PC, I dont own any of the newer consoles

i thought the game is cross-console, i dont think it matters, try looking me up.

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Could we get Spellbind to maybe tether enemies too. Lantern is not the only spell in Titania's kit that has an absurd rag doll mechanic. 

Also, could we maybe get a wee bit more energy for Titania or reduce the cost of her abilities? Even with vacuum and constant energy orb chasing, she's very energy hungry for a main casting warframe. 

This might be sour pixie sticks, but I feel bad for Titania always sharing her changes with other frames. She's so amazing, she deserves attention all to herself. She is a queen after all. 

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After reading all i can say is wow, such great changes, especially the razorwing vacume, when she first came out i was enjoying the razorwing but when i realized picking up loot was such a hassle i gave up, maybe this will get me back in razorwing, but one more change would make her incredible, she really needs more speed for razorwing, maybe just make the aura sprint speed affect razorwing that way u can buff it up some, without needing a enemy to cast on

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3 hours ago, nooneyouknow13 said:

Your pets don't exist while you're in Razorwing, other than you keep the benefits of animal instinct, and any buffs they cast before entering Razorwing. 

I've got more than 700h on titania. I assure you I do get buffs with my smeeta kavat while in razorwing.

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Nyx

I've always enjoyed using Nyx. I like the playstyle idea of 'Oh no! You saw me. NO, YOU DIDN'T. BUT THAT GUY OVER THERE SAID YOU'RE UGLY AND GIVE ME YOUR CAR KEYS BEFORE YOU TEACH HIM A LESSON."

Passive - so long as it's a true 50% chance for the enemy to MISS it's excellent, as a 50% reduction of their targeting accuracy disappears against higher level crazy buffed enemies. I like the idea of the very cinematic standing calmly in a firefight with bullets  and plasma whizzing all around her while remaining relatively unscathed.

1 - Mind Control - Perfect. I see some of the feedback stating the player would rather clear the room in the multiplier ramp up period instead which is an option, however IF the AI pathing, tethering and targetselection is improved a stronger ramped up subjugated enemy should be able to tank and/or spank the next three rooms without issue. This is a disposable minion of convenience, equating them to a companion role is an apples to oranges comparison.
2 - Psychic Bolts - Great. looks perfect as stated. It might actually be too much, given it can completely strip an enemy with only one corrosive projection or shield disruption in play.
3 - Chaos - is chaos. Does what it says on the tin, and has a use. The only tweak it could use is a reduction of threat level for any of Nyx's allies with a greater reduction for Nyx herself, encouraging enemies to target each other moreso than they do now. Folks seem to forget that enemies stop attacking you when chaosed, and if you keep alarming and damaging them they re-acquire you as primary - if you see chaos cast, stop pissing off the thing that's just had its' target list changed and let it find something else to shoot/eat/fondle.
4 - Absorb - I personally rarely use it, as most of the times I've tried the team gathers around and kills everything shooting at me, making it a rapid use of energy to be a distraction. If I had the mobility augment, I could mitigate this a bit but by and large teamplay just means this turns you into the high threat beacon aggrotanking while the plasmors and AOE go to work and you don't get much out of it killwise. Mirroring damage composition is good and in the right direction, channeling it to amp the return damage and range would be even better. Tap 4 to enter, tap 4 again to discharge or hold 4 to channel amplification into it and discharge when released. or from an off state just hold 4 and it channels as long as held, releasing when you release the key. Either ( or both ) control schemes are feasible.

 

Titania 

I like alot of what she does now, but she does feel a bit incomplete and subject to some weird corners other frames aren't. Given historical literature, and the link between Oberon and Titania, I personally would like to see their abilities synergize against each other, but I do realize this can be complicated and easily overpowered so is unlikely. I've still noted a few touches here and there because I'd like it.
As an aside, I have pubbed matches and met people that have never seen her tribute or lantern, despite having had to have leveled her to get their MR. It became painfully obvious when they were trying to ult the Lantern.
1 - This ability is fine as is. Needs a better ground indicator of where the 'Stand > here < to cleanse' zone is, but otherwise fine. Energy coloured mushroom fairy ring maybe? Also, if cast on an Oberon ground buff, both should synergize and affect everyone affected by the whichever is larger ground buff, friendly or enemy as appropriate.
2- Tribute - Full buff on a single tribute is the right choice. Having to collect the souls from where they are is also the right choice, as it is part of Titanias price for demanding the tribute - it shouldn't be a safe longrange onebutton swipe-and-go soul ATM experience.  Maybe renewing a buff could maybe also increase it's range by 5% or 10% thus maintaining full power buff while lending advantage to keeping them up instead of losing the rangestack, but that's somewhat solving and then reinstating a different rehash of the current problem.
     - Dust - as Nyx's passive, it should be a true miss chance, if so 50% is a bit much, maybe 35% is more inline.
     - Thorns - reflect is based on % of health damage done to Titania, reflected as % damage back to the target - titania losing 20% of her full life meter = enemy losing 20% of it's life meter. Allies get a lesser strength ( say 80% of titanias ) but still significant portion of reflection in like manner. A non-special enemy downing a full titania with a oneshot also oneshots itself by design. A more defence oriented titania will both take and reflect less integer damage per instance, but reflect the same % of total life amounts. As a note, a Titania using Unairu could potentially deliver %reflect as noted +unairu reflect of normal damage added as flat damage, causing weak targets to suicide without her needing to be reduced to 0 health as well. 
    - Entangle - slows one enemy? Uh... if it slows enemies that hit you, or in an aura, sure. Aura would be better. :)
    - Fullmoon - Looks good to me. Razorflies do fall off due to scaling, and this can help.
3- Lantern - Lantern just needs to stay closer to the place of it's creation - multiple targets changes this from a beacon you place at a chokepoint or optimum position into spam one in every doorway and hall, which changes the core of it and is alos really potentially overpowered CC. Every other aspect of it is fine, as it provides decent damage to any enemy that survives staggering in your teams' fire long enough for the lantern to explode, and in later levels provides ok CC even though the damage drops off due to scaling. Many seem not to know Titania can hit 3 again and cause it to detonate early, so a  quick double press makes any enemy an instant grenade. Again adding 3 more has significant powercreep potential. To tether it in place, a point above the ground more than head height ( slightly higher than the osprey flight height would be perfect ) at the targeted enemies position should be marked as a magnetic 'home' position for the lantern. the further from this point the lantern gets, the stronger push the razorflies apply to move it back towards the home position, braking it to freefall once within 3m.
4 - Razorwing - vacuum - THANK YOU. Titania Roomba Simulator deserves to be a thing of the past. Camera clipping when close to level geoemtry and objects also needs to be addressed, and it also needs a stronger frame bubble and more flexible relative positioning in it's armature when in razorwing mode. Optionally, maybe a bit more bezier position+offset path following thing to add more dynamism to flight.
 - Dex Pixia - just fine as is, once the PAX bug is stomped.
 - Diwata - This often suffers horribly from the camera clipping issues. As it is, melee swings often target the root bone of the enemy model and slams my face into the ground ( more than half actually, clipping my camera outside the level ), which not only looks bad but makes it really hard to effectively melee in this mode - camera angle changes and hitscan aim traces for targeting are often blocked meaning I have to slog to free air and re-orient to aim my next swing again. The 'Wrath of the Fae' flitting spot to spot thing is thematically great, but should actually focus on the bone I'm targeting - flit in and hit it then back out to the same distance in an arc adjusting view angle to keep the targeted bone in the center third of the cameraplane. Dynamic looking , but not nauseating or facemashing them to death. Additionally, I think Diwata needs a tweak - killing an enemy with it consumes their corpse and fashions it into a razorfly, replenishing your stock. Once at normal maximum has this has no additional effect. If an additional power curve is needed, Titania enters razorwing with 6 razorflies but has a maximum of 12, which can be replenished or built up to in this manner, while leaving razorwing will shed any above 6.

 

Looking forward to the updates. :)

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Yeah replacing it to inate is my favorite idea, i have the same thinking patern just like xcenic said, because some warframes have really S#&amp;&#036;ty passives, mods, and abilities that dont carry much weight, and like i said in other posts, theres still players who just dont know how to equip mods, and really should have some / automatic adjustments such new passive traits going learnt. we do have a rank/level/max but those arent rewarding players with weapons or new something. I really want something to be different with the leveling system of warframes and weapons, and thats where adding small parts and proggress reports, quests, lore, etc. 

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Hi can players like me that sold titania get her back some how i know i made mistake but please de let us farm her again places pretty please i want to try her again and i was noob

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I don't really use Titania, so I'll just comment the Nyx changes, that in my opinion are a bit... Meh:
Mind Control - buff damage of controled enemy is good, but this should be by using Power Mods (since the Aug already buffs it);
Psychic Bolts - it is very good to have a debuff, I hope she can rival(?) Nova because right now she is the only OP for that in long duration mission;
Chaos - I whish that enemies affected could NOT hit you at all (you would be "invisible" to them), that would be a good change;
Absorb - is cool that she reflects damage, but because of the Aug, I hoped she could use self-damage like we do in Chroma and other frames.

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49 minutes ago, Samuel_sfx said:

Please tell me the new Nyx 1st ability will not have multiplier cap! 

You get what you get

 

- LifeofRio

 

Joke aside i hope so xD

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On 2018-11-28 at 12:20 PM, [DE]Rebecca said:

As for the 4 Tribute types: 1
1. Dust - keep as-is:it reduces enemy accuracy by 50%!

2. Thorns - increase to 50% of damage reflected back to the attacker!

3. Entangle - keep as-is: one Entangle tribute slows an enemy by 25%!

4. Fullmoon - the 75% damage buff now applies to ALL (Sentinels, Moas, Companions)  + Razorwing Butterflies!

1. an enemy with half a chance to hit you, can still hit you..... and if that hit can one shot titania, even at early lvls because she so squishy...... its USELESS.

2. enemies dont deal enough damage to themselves, Nyx's current mind control already shows this... also, after a certain point, if an enemy hits you, you will die. so this is USELESS.

3. the current aura is TINY. TINY! 10 meters affects so little as to be useless, and WHY is it not affected by power strength? Why cant we have a fast or slow Titaina?

4. So,  the  the damage of the sentinels and moas, is finally at half of where it should be?

where are the buffs that actually help your team? what about damage buffs? damage reductions? status cleansing? eximus aura stealing? infested ancient aura stealing?

Titania is supposed to be this odd support cc damage hybrid, but she cant do that, if no one cares if she is there supporting them.

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