Vandals, Wraiths, Prisma, Primes

[Grimmstyler]

11 minutes ago, Blade_Wolf_16 said:

From what I've heard, the Heat Sword is actualy a good choice for a Condition Overload build, since it has an extremely high disposition and the highest Status Chance of all Longswords. It could even beat a Mewan Longsword, since the Riven disposition and Slash % are quite different.

Mmm yea.. Given you have 5+ Status on a Target before you attack maybe.. Otherwise you might be hacking at the Target for a minute to build up status procs as oppose to a weapon that does more damage and can also be used with [Condition Overload].

You might want to reconsider your Mewan build also.. Or maybe Zaws could be buggy AF..

Edited November 30, 2018 by Grimmstyler

[Chaemyerelis]

25 minutes ago, Grimmstyler said:

Yes Man.. Some weapons have good mechanics, looks, sounds.. And could even use secondary fire like Tiberon Prime. But DE just brings out new weapons making the scroll thru more confusing if you own all the Weapons. Also increases the Randomized Riven from unveiling a Riven.

Like i got a Heat Sword MR15 Riven i unvieled the other day.. WTF would i use a Heat Sword at MR15?

To cook those mr 15 marshmallows 🤷‍♂️ 

[Grimmstyler]

24 minutes ago, Chaemyerelis said:

To cook those mr 15 marshmallows 🤷‍♂️ 

 😂

I did notice Corpus and Grineer are a bunch of Cracker's.. And the infested are something you might find on a Saturday night..

Edited November 30, 2018 by Grimmstyler

[Blade_Wolf_16]

il y a 38 minutes, Grimmstyler a dit :

Mmm yea.. Given you have 5+ Status on a Target before you attack maybe.. Otherwise you might be hacking at the Target for a minute to build up status procs as oppose to a weapon that does more damage and can also be used with [Condition Overload].

You might want to reconsider your Mewan build also.. Or maybe Zaws could be buggy AF..

Did I say it beats "my" Mewan Sword? No. Did I say it was the best weapon for a CO build in general? No. Did I say it's better than you think it is (aka MR fodder)? Yes. 

If it takes you a minute to infict procs on a single enemy, then You should reconsider your build. Or maybe try to do that AND use a frame that benefits CO by inflicting procs with abilities, like Saryn, Ash, Equinox, Volt, Frost, Ember, Chroma, Hydroid, Nezha, Inaros, Nyx, Oberon, etc. Or, you can also shoot the enemy with a Status-based weapon before you get in melee range. 

If you expect the weapon to do the job alone without any other interaction, you're either cheesing too much and not interrested in actualy playing or simply unaware of the potential some weapon have depending on how (and with what) you use them.

[Grimmstyler]

1 hour ago, GrayArchon said:

Some Grineer/Corpus weapons are IPS. Some aren't. Has nothing to do with whether they're Wraith or Vandal.

I say this (my qoute) because it's all to confusing.. Grineer should be Wraith Corpus should be Vandal and Tenno should have a new line name just to simplify weapon xarient names.. Like Latron is a Tenno weapon.. But there's Latron Wraith?

It would all be in order with Invasions.. Same with IPS dominance..

Corpus Vanilla Puncture Dominant against Grineer.

GrineerVanilla Impact Dominant against Corpus.

Tenno weapons Slash Dominant (but not entirely so it can be moved IP dominant) because Shah is King

Then Infested weapons should have the IPS with Element precept (like Acrid, Mutalist Cernos)

8 hours ago, Grimmstyler said:

.Vandals should be the Elemental Variants of Corpus vanilla IPS weapons.

Wraiths should be the Elemental Variants of Grineer vanilla IPS weapons

Tenno Elemental Variant of vanilla? Need a new line name..

 

 

[Grimmstyler]

12 minutes ago, Blade_Wolf_16 said:

Did I say it beats "my" Mewan Sword? No. Did I say it was the best weapon for a CO build in general? No. Did I say it's better than you think it is (aka MR fodder)? Yes. 

If it takes you a minute to infict procs on a single enemy, then You should reconsider your build. Or maybe try to do that AND use a frame that benefits CO by inflicting procs with abilities, like Saryn, Ash, Equinox, Volt, Frost, Ember, Chroma, Hydroid, Nezha, Inaros, Nyx, Oberon, etc. Or, you can also shoot the enemy with a Status-based weapon before you get in melee range. 

If you expect the weapon to do the job alone without any other interaction, you're either cheesing too much and not interrested in actualy playing or simply unaware of the potential some weapon have depending on how (and with what) you use them.

I like the Heat Sword.. It looks nice.. There are just better options damage wise at MR15..

Pfff.. Even the Zaws are a better option and that's at the beginning of the game..

[Grimmstyler]

@Blade_Wolf_16

You wanna hear a joke.. 

Battacor is a MR10 weapon but you can get a MR8 or 9 Riven for it..

Haha

[peterc3]

9 hours ago, Grimmstyler said:

Vandals should be the Elemental Variants of Corpus vanilla IPS weapons.

Wraiths should be the Elemental Variants of Grineer vanilla IPS weapons

I still have no clue about this since the last time you brought this up.

What is this even supposed to mean? Why would the Grineer and Corpus take one of their weapons and make it elemental? Gorgon Wraith does Fire damage? Why?????

[Grimmstyler]

16 minutes ago, peterc3 said:

I still have no clue about this since the last time you brought this up.

What is this even supposed to mean? Why would the Grineer and Corpus take one of their weapons and make it elemental? Gorgon Wraith does Fire damage? Why?????

To make the weapon more versatile outside of IPS.. The current weapons have good mechanics, just thier stats suck and are tossed aside as MR Fodder.

I dunno about making a wraith fire damage.. Magnetic maybe due to Corpus Invasions..

Corpus Vandals could even be Corrosive Variants for Grineer Invasions..

Then even you could make Gorgon Prime or Gorgon Wraith Prime if Primes were Catalyst that enhances the weapon. Which would require the same prime parts from relics (Bp,Stock, barrel,etc) and the vanilla or Wraith/Vandal to build, using that inventory slot and not having to Reforma..

Its just a suggestion to use old weapons that are just as good as new weapons but less Randomized Riven weapon allocation.. I mean with Open World it seems DE might as well just trash all the old weapons and start the game with new Weapons and enemies if anything ..

 

[(PSN)Station2D-]

hace 10 horas, Grimmstyler dijo:

Oh what a bunch of confusing weapons.. Require so much space to keep them all too.

You got the Vanilla IPS Tenno, Grineer, Corpus and Infested.. Maybe Future Sentient..

Vandals should be the Elemental Variants of Corpus vanilla IPS weapons.

Wraiths should be the Elemental Variants of Grineer vanilla IPS weapons

Prisma? I dunno.. They're marketed as a wierd Orokin find from Baro Ki Teer.. Should have never been..

Tenno Elemental Variant of vanilla? Need a new line name..

Infested weapons are mostly Elemental.. Need to think that 1 thru more. Maybe Infested weapons should just have attributes like Acrid, Hystrix, Mutalist Cernos, etc..

Primes.. Oh Primes.. Once you have a Prime, what's the purpose of the Vanilla IPS? Why can't Primes be reworked similar to a Catalyst that enhances the weapons attributes? Install on a vanilla IPS, Vandal, Wraith, Prisma (Meh) to make Prime? Would save a lot of space other than a space for each weapon Vanilla, Vandal, Wrath, Prisma, Prime..

I honestly think that they are classified in this way:

To explain this I will take the latron as an example:

• No faction + latron = normal latron

• Grineer + latron = grineer latron + wraith armament = latron wraith

• Corpus + latron = corpus latron + vandal armament = latron vandal

• Infested + latron = infested latron + mutalist armament = latron mutalist

• Tenno + latron = tenno latron + dex armament = latron dex

• Orokin + latron = latron prime + umbra armament? = latron  umbra?

• Cephalon + latron = cephalon latron + prism armament = latron prism

• Sentient + latron = sentient latron + mara armament? = latron mara?

The point is that each weapon has different variations depending on the faction where it is located which gives it different aspects and characteristics and I think this also applies to warframes and other accessories

In addition to that I think it would be great that the weapon can change faction (this affiliate in one or not) through some process and that the weapon can also merge from one faction with another (like the seer) but I will explain more in detail in a post in the future

[Blade_Wolf_16]

Il y a 3 heures, Grimmstyler a dit :

@Blade_Wolf_16

You wanna hear a joke.. 

Battacor is a MR10 weapon but you can get a MR8 or 9 Riven for it..

Haha

So, where's the joke?

Rivens are not tied to the weapons' MR lock. The only thing your example shows is that you could get a Riven for it before you can get the actual gun.

[GrayArchon]

3 hours ago, Grimmstyler said:

It would all be in order with Invasions.. Same with IPS dominance..

Corpus Vanilla Puncture Dominant against Grineer.

GrineerVanilla Impact Dominant against Corpus.

Tenno weapons Slash Dominant (but not entirely so it can be moved IP dominant) because Shah is King

Then Infested weapons should have the IPS with Element precept (like Acrid, Mutalist Cernos)

Both the Grineer and the Corpus fight the Infested. Both the Grineer and the Corpus fight rogue elements within their factions. Producing weapons that only target the other faction doesn't make sense. The Tenno arguably fight the Grineer and Corpus more than the Infested, so specialising in Slash doesn't make sense either (aside from the fact that stacking Slash procs is among the best ways to kill shielded/armoured enemies).

3 hours ago, Grimmstyler said:

Grineer should be Wraith Corpus should be Vandal and Tenno should have a new line name just to simplify weapon xarient names.. Like Latron is a Tenno weapon.. But there's Latron Wraith?

The Vandal weapons aren't made by the Corpus; they're made by the Lotus or her operatives – hence the giant Lotus symbol on all the Vandal stuff. It's even in the name: the Corpus weapons have been taken and vandalised in service to the Tenno. The Wraith weapons are heavily hinted to be made by Red Veil – they follow the pattern of markings on the Rakta syandana (not to be confused with the Asita Rakta syandana), which was given by Red Veil as a reward for the Spectres of Liberty event. So the Lotus can Vandalise anything, but she prefers Corpus weapons, along with the occasional Tenno weapon (Lato, Braton, Imperator). The Red Veil can Wraith-ify anything, but they prefer Grineer weapons, with the occasional Tenno weapon (Strun, Latron). As I explained earlier, the upgraded versions of Tenno weapons are the Prime weapons.

And anything is subject to be Prisma'd.

[Grimmstyler]

2 hours ago, (PS4)StationOfDead said:

I honestly think that they are classified in this way:

To explain this I will take the latron as an example:

• No faction + latron = normal latron

• Grineer + latron = grineer latron + wraith armament = latron wraith

• Corpus + latron = corpus latron + vandal armament = latron vandal

• Infested + latron = infested latron + mutalist armament = latron mutalist

• Tenno + latron = tenno latron + dex armament = latron dex

• Orokin + latron = latron prime + umbra armament? = latron  umbra?

• Cephalon + latron = cephalon latron + prism armament = latron prism

• Sentient + latron = sentient latron + mara armament? = latron mara?

The point is that each weapon has different variations depending on the faction where it is located which gives it different aspects and characteristics and I think this also applies to warframes and other accessories

In addition to that I think it would be great that the weapon can change faction (this affiliate in one or not) through some process and that the weapon can also merge from one faction with another (like the seer) but I will explain more in detail in a post in the future

That's actually a better suggestion than what i had for versatility purposes.. Like say if you really like a gun you can mod it for every Faction to use against. The issue with it would be Weapon slots or configures on a weapon (A B C)

And with your idea in mind, the Primes should stack on to of all the variants not make it a separate altogether. Like  Priming a weapon should just add +Stats like CC, CD, SC, Fire Rate, Recoil, accuracy, projectile flight speed,  and Damage in its entirety, not 1 physical or Elemental, etc..

 

Altogether, if weapons just had a base damage and you could add IPS or Elemental mods to configure what Status type your like on a weapon, that would just make it a more simple process if mod slots were expanded.. And have more than A B C configures. You know, maybe you want Impact on your weapon.. Maybe you don't! At least you can mod it how you like with a base damage and mods that add 120% I and/or P and/or S and/or 90% Elemental and/or 60/60..

 

Edited November 30, 2018 by Grimmstyler

[Grimmstyler]

1 hour ago, Blade_Wolf_16 said:

So, where's the joke?

Rivens are not tied to the weapons' MR lock. The only thing your example shows is that you could get a Riven for it before you can get the actual gun.

That is a joke in my opinion..

[Grimmstyler]

1 hour ago, GrayArchon said:

The Vandal weapons aren't made by the Corpus; they're made by the Lotus or her operatives – hence the giant Lotus symbol on all the Vandal stuff. It's even in the name: the Corpus weapons have been taken and vandalised in service to the Tenno. The Wraith weapons are heavily hinted to be made by Red Veil – they follow the pattern of markings on the Rakta syandana (not to be confused with the Asita Rakta syandana), which was given by Red Veil as a reward for the Spectres of Liberty event. So the Lotus can Vandalise anything, but she prefers Corpus weapons, along with the occasional Tenno weapon (Lato, Braton, Imperator). The Red Veil can Wraith-ify anything, but they prefer Grineer weapons, with the occasional Tenno weapon (Strun, Latron). As I explained earlier, the upgraded versions of Tenno weapons are the Prime weapons.

And anything is subject to be Prisma'd.

Ok that shut me up.

I dunno where you got all that info, maybe Warframe comic books, but i missed it in any story line there was in the game.

But still. The point is all the old weapons are bound to be replaced with newer better versions making them useless.

The new guns will probably have the same mechanics as the old guns, different looks for sure, but just better stats..

Then i would have a larger Riven pool to draw from on unveiling a Riven..

Like let's use Attica and Zhuge for example.. They're almost the same thing. Just Zhuge it's better Status Chance.. And Attica is more Damage.. Nagantaka is the same thing sorta, but it's Slash Dominant with a Secondary option..

Edited November 30, 2018 by Grimmstyler

[GrayArchon]

54 minutes ago, Grimmstyler said:

I dunno where you got all that info, maybe Warframe comic books, but i missed it in any story line there was in the game.

It's not really stated in the game, but there are visual clues. The Vandal weapons have a giant Lotus symbol on them. Why would the Corpus do that? The simplest explanation is that the Lotus made them. As for the Wraith weapons, again, it's a visual comparison to Red Veil, which has a similar red-and-black aesthetic, and specifically to the Rakta syandana, which has the exact same swirling patterns found on Wraith weapons, and is explicitly from the Red Veil. Since the number of people who have the original Rakta syandana is comparatively few, this connection is harder to make. So none of this is stated directly; it's just the most reasonable explanation I've heard for the Wraith and Vandal weapons. Of course, sometimes the weapons were directly awarded from the factions; for example, the Machete Wraith being given to the Tenno by Sargus Ruk personally at the conclusion of the Gradivus Dilemma. How does this tie into the Red Veil, especially since they hadn't been introduced yet? I'm not sure even DE has thought about that.

59 minutes ago, Grimmstyler said:

But still. The point is all the old weapons are bound to be replaced with newer better versions making them useless.

The new guns will probably have the same mechanics as the old guns, different looks for sure, but just better stats..

As I stated before, this is a common method of player progression in video games: you outgrow your old gear and obtain better gear, throwing the old gear away. This is how Warframe has been since the Braton Prime was introduced.

1 hour ago, Grimmstyler said:

Then i would have a larger Riven pool to draw from on unveiling a Riven..

I know it feels bad to have such a low chance to get a riven for a specific gun, but it really seems like a good business decision for DE. Infinitesimal probabilities encourage players to trade for the rivens they want. Riven trading is a major part of the platinum economy and encourages players to buy platinum from DE, directly benefiting their bottom line. I don't think this is an effective argument to get DE to stop doing what they're doing. In the end, if you're feeling discouraged by the riven system, you can either trade for the riven you want, or forgo rivens altogether, as they aren't really required for any core gameplay.

[Grimmstyler]

@GrayArchon

Hmm.. Well it could also make sense that the Vandal versions could be Perrin Sequence.

Then Wraith could be Steel Meridian.

But then that would go against the whole Invasion involvement with acquiring them.

As far as Braton and Lato Vandal they're Tenno weapons. What's Cephalon Simaris got to do with it?

But then Latron is also a Tenno weapon so.. \ o /

It would be easier to understand if the weapons were labeled to faction and went with a story line. But really i don't think the Lore was around or even well thought out until Warframe started becoming successful.. Content was just being thrown in the game.. Is it to late to turn back now? Maybe..

Edited December 1, 2018 by Grimmstyler