Plains of Eidolon bounties are rage inducing.

[Asdryu]

Prove me wrong: you made PoE BOUNTIES (I want to specify that my "grudge" is coming from bounties) with the mind based of making it as frustrating as possible.
PoE's map isn't as bad or boring as people are trying to make it out to be. "Plains": the name makes its justice and you made it possible to not make it lack contents thorough it and leave huge empty useless spaces.

I did not need Fortuna to understand the flaws of these... Actually, bounties in PoE SCARED me that Fortuna could've been something even remotely as bad.

Let's start with the missions:
"LIBERATE THE CAMP": I cannot hate this mission more. It's on its fight against mobile defense. Though, not as boring thanks to the redeeming feature of target practicing with the ships if you have a strong weapon. The spawn rate of this mission is ridiculous. You can't have a bounty cycle without this AND/or without Armored Vault, like if those are the two only missions existing on the plains, and oh~ the Lotus' transmission "Camp liberated *WAIT* incoming assault". Yeah wait. Don't give me the false hope like that there's a possible chance that for some unkown reason I'm not gonna be forced to wait here in this place to play hide&seek.
Give me a way to take a stealth takedown approach that won't cause the assault to happen or something; if I don't get spotted/don't alert any enemy during the liberation, the assault won't happen and I'll immediately take control of the camp.
Did you guys listen to one of my post where I suggested to have some intercations during the missions perhaps? Because Fortuna's bounties are full of those, wich makes those not such of a chore somehow (going your way to kill special enemies to reduce the timer of a corpus camp being one).


Locations of the bounties and caves:
Plains of Eidolon is smaller than Orb Vallis, but you can somehow take it longer to clear bounties.
Now you have a bounty in hillside wich is in the right area and now you have to go in seaside. And it's usually like that. But that's not that bad usually. THE WORST are the caves. This is the equivalent of a clan leader that tries to force your new members to use their poorly made forums instead of just socializing/talking/discussing their strats. I'm sorry, but if something is bad or I'm not interested then I'm not gonna use it. Stop trying to force me. I did not ask you to do anything and the time you spent on making those things aren't of my concern. Sad but true.
https://imgur.com/a/378ap2d
That area in the black circle is to re-do. If you're a newbie, there's no way you can not fail.
If a liberate the camp happens in the Er-Phryah (these names...), there's bound to be enemies in the caves even if they've been dropped FROM THE SKY. How? Beats me. But that's not that bad. The worst part is when you have to find caches in "the ribs" and this is where the oxymoron of the poorly made forums comes in.
The part of the mission happens and is located in point b, but you start it by going in the cave in point a. The 1st time that caves were made and it happened I thought they were bugged, but I made them today and I got flubbergusted, because I found out the problem. The mission is UNDERGROUND. That cave is SO BAD most parts of the map aren't even drawn and the caches are actually right there on the random rocks! PLEASE! And that's scratching the surface. Once you found the two caches in there, there's one left in the surface, meaning that you have to go back to point a to go back on point b at the surface and you have to be fast because you're gonna be out of the mission, so momma is gonna think that you're abandoning the mission. The "cave" in hillside ruin isn't a joke either, but that area in the black circle is crazy.

Drop rates:
Ok, this could be just me but:
https://imgur.com/a/toCShcT
are these seriously supposed to be the uncomon rewards? I've been trying to get augur secrets from the beginning of the whole cycle, yet all I got were relics and revenant parts. Rarely the common/uncommon mods and like 3/2 times only cetus wisps (you know, at least I could use them for the arcanes).


I noticed since day1 that the similar NPC that was supposed to give bounties outside of the gates of Cetus like in Orb Vallis is not there yet, so I guess you're still planning something for Plains as well, just like it has been mentioned that there might be something similar to conserving animals.
It's a good occation to address this. Give bounties in PoE some of the love they had in Fortuna.
At least for me, the bonuses really give me a reason to not just go there casually.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Asdryu
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[GinKenshin]

10 minutes ago, Asdryu said:

"Camp liberated *WAIT* incoming assault"

Kinda agree, though I think k drives made it a lot easier to go in and out of caves, since we can't use our AWs. personally my most hated is the 2 defense missions, the vault and camp....it's just plain lazy to make the same mission but with 2 different contexts 

Scout escort isn't so bad, since it can be cheesed with loki and it's actually pretty fun imo since you're moving. Caches is also easy once you know where to look and use the scanner, rescue is a joke just like the normal mission in starchart, so is capture. All in all the only issue is the hellishly long defense missions, 3min is just too much

Yes, I really hope they don't forget about putting a cetus agent outside so we can get bounties while in PoE and not have to go through cetus first

[Asdryu]

You said it and you reminded me the missions that don't happen quite as often.

Sometimes I just forget that there's an extermination mission and a capture one. Liberate the Camp and Armored Vault, on the other hand, happen all the time. Escorting the drone being the 2nd, but at least that can be rushed a little bit with either Loki or Nova and it doesn't take as long as the aforementioned ones.

Still, escorting the drone often times requires you to go on an opposite part of the map. I can understand that it might have to do with tourettes, but if I disable/destroy them, why can't I send the drones from there? Why can't I send a drone from the camp I "liberated" (yeah, so much for them and yet I can't use those camps). It would be much easier

[Nez-Kal]

36 minutes ago, Asdryu said:

Did you guys listen to one of my post where I suggested to have some intercations during the missions perhaps?

I agree with you for the most part, but lines like this get back the response "Oh geez, one of THESE posts/people." and get more or less Insta-Ignored by Mods and Developers, and brushed into a pile of garbage to be thrown away later and never revisited.

Just saying.

[ShortCat]

13 hours ago, Asdryu said:

Actually, bounties in PoE SCARED me that Fortuna could've been something even remotely as bad.

But Fortuna's bounties are worse:

• 4 iterations of Defense: Excavation, Drone, Cashes, Ambush.
• several iterations of Exterminate: get 4k credits, kill X of Y, with horrible spawns.
• and whatever "Find solaris camp" supposed to be.
• the worst part is, despite the map being 4 times as big, all those bounties happen at the same locations. There are only 3 Ambush points and 2 Spy vaults etc.
• a bounty in Fortuna will always consist of the same missions, while in PoE those can change with the exception of the last one.
• PoE bounties have greater areal rotation and some fast missions, like Rescue or Assasiante.

[Sharkgoblin]

try titania with augment or zephyr for poe. 

[Asdryu]

On 2018-12-03 at 11:01 AM, ShortCat said:

But Fortuna's bounties are worse:

• 4 iterations of Defense: Excavation, Drone, Cashes, Ambush.
• several iterations of Exterminate: get 4k credits, kill X of Y, with horrible spawns.
• and whatever "Find solaris camp" supposed to be.
• the worst part is, despite the map being 4 times as big, all those bounties happen at the same locations. There are only 3 Ambush points and 2 Spy vaults etc.
• a bounty in Fortuna will always consist of the same missions, while in PoE those can change with the exception of the last one.
• PoE bounties have greater areal rotation and some fast missions, like Rescue or Assasiante.

You're making some stuff sound like they're a bad thing
You say bounties in PoE are random? Random, ok. It doesn't look random enough to me when I get 4 times in a row the lame wombo combo "Armored vault- Liberate the camp that's never gonna be used and Escort the Drone".
Great rotation and "some" fast missions. Too bad they NEVER happen to the point that I almost forget them. While I do have the memory of a fish, I actually forget sometimes that there's a capture or an extermination, and ACTUALLY, I COMPLETELY forgot that there is a Rescue mission wich is about that guy that has the explosives attached to him.

Now, the defenses:

• Except that the drone really isn't that much of a defense. It's rather a kill before they kill type of thing wich doesn't make you sit around waiting for nothing.
• I don't see how finding cashes is a defense at all but ok.
  

"Bounties happens in the same places". We're forgetting that piece that Fortuna is gonna have a 2nd part wich may have another use for those zones. If they're there, it doens't mean they necessarily have to be used for bounties and they're in fact very dispersive.

• Fake. Not all bounties that I happened to do in a rotation are all the same. Even if it was, so be it. I rather much prefer to know at this point want I'm about to "re-do" (I'll get to this in a moment), that having a fake hope that I won't happen in the lame wombo-combo drone/vault/camp~cache (because God forbid capture/rescue/extermination is a thing) again. If you've done bounties to seek for augur secrets you would know. Also, when YOU LIBERATE A CAMP IN FORTUNA, you can actually do a different rotation of bounties from the npc that's gonna get in control of that zone.
• Most of those missions, opposite of PoE, are based on YOUR abilities (getting credits, caches, defending the drone, spy and assassination).
  The only timed missions are the defense, the excavators and to a lesser degree the corpus camps, 'cause they spawn enemies wich will drop something to reduce the time. Though, that last mission is a little bit too free. You can literally go mine and nothing will happen to the prisoners, like the time doesn't stop/revert or they don't kill them.

Sorry, but we have WAAAAAYYYY too many timed missions in Warframe already, that I can't help but think that the bounties in Fortuna are somewhat of a "fresh" breeze and I actually like doing them because at least I get some company that doesn't even come at me yelling "THIS IS SPARTA" without any means of defense to counter my abilities (hyenas for one are impervious to most cc. May be a bit bs, but it's something), while also I get to go and sneak in their camps wich have some decent stuff loot, not to mention the extra bonus you get from doing them "perfectly"

 

[ShortCat]

10 hours ago, Asdryu said:

You say bounties in PoE are random? Random, ok. It doesn't look random enough to me when I get 4 times in a row the lame wombo combo "Armored vault- Liberate the camp that's never gonna be used and Escort the Drone".

The overall number of bounty types in PoE is limited, thus in a T5 bounty you will usually get liberate the camp and defense, but it can be only one of those.

10 hours ago, Asdryu said:

Great rotation and "some" fast missions.

Bad wording from me, it is more "varaity in locations". With the exception of the 2 defense missions, every other mission in PoE can be completed faster.

10 hours ago, Asdryu said:

• Except that the drone really isn't that much of a defense. It's rather a kill before they kill type of thing wich doesn't make you sit around waiting for nothing.
• I don't see how finding cashes is a defense at all but ok.

Drone is a defense misison with a different timer, it is more enjoyable than regular defense, though. Not finding cashes, the cashe capture. At least there are more spwns than usual. 

10 hours ago, Asdryu said:

"Bounties happens in the same places". We're forgetting that piece that Fortuna is gonna have a 2nd part wich may have another use for those zones. If they're there, it doens't mean they necessarily have to be used for bounties and they're in fact very dispersive.

This changes nothing. Bounties right now are limited to a small portion of the map. Full stop. There is no guarantee more bounty locations will come with the second phase. We could find Orb specific tasks in other areas, sure, this has nothing to do with bounties though.

10 hours ago, Asdryu said:

Also, when YOU LIBERATE A CAMP IN FORTUNA, you can actually do a different rotation of bounties from the npc that's gonna get in control of that zone. 

I know that, to bad most squads do onl yone bounty and extract.

10 hours ago, Asdryu said:

Most of those missions, opposite of PoE, are based on YOUR abilities (getting credits, caches, defending the drone, spy and assassination).
The only timed missions are the defense, the excavators and to a lesser degree the corpus camps

Those missions based on "my abilities" are actually based on horrible spawn rates. It can take a while because sometimes the game stops throwing enemies at you and you fly from one Corpus base to the other like an idiot with a 4 star bounty on your head searching for that one drone or 50 more creddits. It also does not help that your squadmates were not blessed with triple digits IQ and they will follow you everywhere you go, so that 4 of you can stand together in an empty camp.
Timed missions are timed mission no matter where, your next line shows why you enjoy Fortuna more...

10 hours ago, Asdryu said:

I actually like doing them because at least I get some company that doesn't even come at me yelling "THIS IS SPARTA" without any means of defense to counter my abilities (hyenas for one are impervious to most cc. May be a bit bs, but it's something)

It is because it has greater enemy variety, which is absolutely true. Has nothing to do with the missions themselves though.

 

[EinheriarJudith]

i can barely even bring myself to do PoE bounties anymore. liberate the camp is objectively the worst bounty stage out of all of them. id much rather have another defense stage in its place.