Graphics for poor people

[DatDarkOne]

17 minutes ago, Urlan said:

the AMD RX 580 8GB if you can get it for around $200 which seems to be great performer for that price.

I myself have the AMD RX 470 4GB, and it's doing very well for me.  A 580 8GB at $200 would be even better for Warframe if not overkill. 😄 

[Urlan]

20 minutes ago, DatDarkOne said:

I myself have the AMD RX 470 4GB, and it's doing very well for me.  A 580 8GB at $200 would be even better for Warframe if not overkill. 😄 

Glad to hear it! Yeah, my suggestion of a 580 8GB is primarily because I saw a few places selling them for that, and overall, its an excellent card if one doesn't need to hit 4k resolutions.

[DatDarkOne]

5 minutes ago, Urlan said:

Glad to hear it! Yeah, my suggestion of a 580 8GB is primarily because I saw a few places selling them for that, and overall, its an excellent card if one doesn't need to hit 4k resolutions.

True. As long as one isn't trying to get into 4k gaming, then they have tons of graphics card options. 

[LSG501]

1 hour ago, Death_Stealth said:

Oof... How much can one misunderstand.

I already said the os is different which already implies the software is extremely specialised (duh). 

Have you even seen the clock speeds of Nintendo? Go check it yourself ma man. Because that processor does both the work of CPU and GPU for switch.

What I'm saying is I have got 2 processing units that are highly specialised in their respective areas and it's common sense to have intel Nvidia for gaming before Ryzen was launched.

I'm not sure if you're understanding that GPU stands for graphical processing unit. Graphics card and a graphics processing unit are the same thing so why can't I call it a processor when the whole point of a GPU is to carry out graphical calculations which is part of the process cycle of input process output and you're telling me I'm fundamentally wrong somewhere here.

How can 2 specialised processing units dividing up a task and solving it in sync get outpaced by a single processor (CPU/GPU) of Nintendo switch. Which is just architecturally different but is a all purpose made processor. 

If you're going to defy the logic of specialised machines are worse the all purpose machines. Then give me an example of a specialised task where the general all purpose machine beats the specialised machine at the task it is specialised for.

I am not so stupid in hardware, I know my own S#&$. You just can't say that the performance of that CPU/GPU multitasking processor will beat out my 2 specialised processors where literally the clock speed for my GPU and the #*!%ing tegra CPU is the same  #*!%ing  number. Not to mention the normal CPU loads that tegra will be susceptible to is not an issue for my GPU. That load goes to my CPU which means I should be able to get more performance out than a tegra CPU if I have 2 processors to take the load.

Don't tell me what a processor is.

Also the last thing about intel... Do you even know why they made the i9-9900k? Even though everything looked hopeless for intel when Ryzen 7 2700x was released? The Ryzen 7 2700x beat intel at gaming. Intel wants to have the last word and made the most powerful consumer processor in the CPU industry. Intel is willing to go that far to be a gaming oriented company.

AMD was always about bang for buck and actual work like rendering videos or running large servers in businesses.

You think Intel's CPU's are unfit for gaming? Then who else was there in the market 5 years ago? It was only intel.

Also if you're going to say, "oh because they technology is newer it is always better" Nintendo doesn't have a cooling system like a laptop or desktop and what do you expect. The argument doesn't even hold for SSD technology. SSDs have become objectively worse as the data is being compressed in one page too much and making reading and writing to it slower just so they have more storage space.

But if we're only talking about CPUs there some damn physical limitations that obviously glares at you when you design a product like switch. That kind of processing power without cooling. Battery life. and the most obvious, space constraints. Because laptops have a lesser problem of all of the ones listed above, to say my laptop will run worse just because it's older is straight up stupid. At least remember why mobile gaming isn't even close to pc gaming. Because many of the same problems will apply to a handheld console. I know it is specialised for gaming and will have ironed out some problems but FFS there is still the 3 aforementioned problems that both devices share.

I'm going to advise you to stop before you dig yourself even deeper into the hole you're digging, you're actually proving my point about you not knowing much about computer hardware.. not to mention the fact that you didn't even read my posts properly, I have never said intel CPU's are bad, I have said their GPU's are bad, they're different even though they come on the same piece of silicon. 

 

[Cubewano]

16 hours ago, CarrotSalad said:

lol.. Most of my friends have spent more money on Warframe in the last 5 years than they have on their PC. That in my book is is a win for DE to keep old hardware as playable as possible.

 

And how much have they spent on their pcs? That's a meaningless statement on its own in a conversation about people not wanting to spend, your friends spending more money on warframe than their pc could equate to them spending a single dollar if they haven't bothered to spend anything on upgrading said pc, that's not exactly winning values. Then on the flip side, if your friends have spent actual money on their pcs to keep them moderately up to date, and to make spending more than that on warframe something desirable, then they would no longer fall into the category of extremely outdated hardware in the first place to fit into this argument. Hollow statement be hollow. 

[Death_Stealth]

17 hours ago, LSG501 said:

I'm going to advise you to stop before you dig yourself even deeper into the hole you're digging, you're actually proving my point about you not knowing much about computer hardware.. not to mention the fact that you didn't even read my posts properly, I have never said intel CPU's are bad, I have said their GPU's are bad, they're different even though they come on the same piece of silicon. 

 

Then what were you saying in the last para of 

 

23 hours ago, LSG501 said:

The switch is an 8 (4+4) core arm based cpu (supposedly a customised tegra x1), not an intel one, so you can't compare like for like.  Also the switch code will be HEAVILY optimised for that SINGLE hardware configuration too. 

Now I'm not trying to be an elitist but you do know that an 820M istechnically based off a 540M (nvidia loved repackaging low end gpu's when they updated model numbers), it was released in 2014 and was already deemed 'low end' by gaming standards back then, it's not exactly going to get better with age is it. 

The gpu inside the switch is maxwell based which is actually newer tech than the fermi powered 820M. 

 

edit: for your earlier edit where it shows you don't understand much about pc hardware in all honesty...

Intel CPU is the processor, Intel GPU is the (built in) graphics card not the processor you are using to make out intel are strong...

The irony of you going on about having an i5 4500 series cpu and nvidia 820m is that your intel cpu's built in gpu (assuming it's accessible) might actually perform better than the nvidia one based on the benchmarks I've seen....

 

Why are the onboard integrated graphics better than a GeForce 820M?

Why is is distributing a task over two processors worse.

Why is an Nvidia tegra CPU that does the work of CPU and GPU be better than an actual dedicated CPU and GPU. Whose clock speeds are higher.

Tell me hardware master.

[LSG501]

1 hour ago, Death_Stealth said:

Then what were you saying in the last para of 

 

Why are the onboard integrated graphics better than a GeForce 820M? 

Why is is distributing a task over two processors worse.

Why is an Nvidia tegra CPU that does the work of CPU and GPU be better than an actual dedicated CPU and GPU. Whose clock speeds are higher.

Tell me hardware master.

I do wish people would use their time more wisely... if you'd have spent the time you've wasted trying to look knowledgable actually learning more about the topic it would make life so much easier for everyone...

 

Most Intel mobile chips in laptops for last 5+ years are essentially packaged like this:

Multicore CPU (x86/x64 based in this case) + GPU on one piece of silicon, some like yours has a secondary gpu added which supposedly can give better performance for graphically intensive.    There are some which do not inlcude a GPU portion to allow for more cores on the CPU side. 

The Nvidia tegra chip is packaged like this:

Multicore CPU (ARM based in this case) + GPU... hmm looks familiar.  You keep seeming to ignore the fact the tegra has a GPU alongside the CPU to do the processing....

 

The GPU inside the tegra is based on maxwell architecture (which is also used on PC GPU's), your 820M is based on fermi architecture, fermi came BEFORE maxwell.  Maxwell performs better than fermi.  Clock speeds between architectures can not be compared like for like because of architectural changes and optimisations.

 

As to why the built in intel gpu MIGHT perform better than your 820M.  Based on some benchmarks I've seen, intel GPU's seem to be more suited to 'newer' tests than the 820M and as such could potentially perform better.  Now just to ensure you don't get confused, benchmarks do not necessarily match with real world experiences. 

 

Now may I suggest you actually go and do some research on the topic yourself. 

[Guiver909]

You don't try to play red dead redemption 2 on a ps2.Why should games be downgraded to cater for those with15yo hardware? Can't play the latest games? you upgrade,simple.Don't like that? than PC gaming is not for you and should get a console.You even have to "upgrade" consoles every 5years as well tho.

My PC is no beast by any means and its old but still runs this game maxed with solid 60fps apart from fortuna.I wonder what specs you guys are playing on I really do.

Apart from fortuna this game is one of the well optimized games out there for how good it looks.

Here are my specs.Pretty low for today's standards

OS

Windows 8.1

Motherboard

ASUS H87M-E: Micro-ATX, LG1150, USB 3.0, SATA 6GBs

Processor

Intel Corei5 Quad Core Processor i5-4670 (3.4GHz) 6MB Cache

Memory

8GB KINGSTON HYPER-X GENESIS DUAL-DDR3 1600MHz, X.M.P (2 x 4GB KIT)

Video Card(s)

3GB AMD RADEON R9 280X

 

This rig will probably set you back like £200 these days.

Edited December 6, 2018 by Guiver909