How to Un-Squishy any Framev

[Kevyne_Kicklighter]

3 hours ago, Ver1dian said:

You are obviously tilted for some reason to a point where you're not making valid arguments anymore, but I'll bare with it and try to make my point.Now read carefully what I said "No one sits for one or two minutes after clearing a room to go to the next"😄

One sentence crayon time...

Ver, reread what you posted and get back to us, after rephrasing your comment, again.

"No one" is an absolute statement, there are very few absolutes in the universe. "No One" is "all or nothing" thinking.

Learn to communicate better. Not even the universe is so one sided.

Remember Christmas Eve of 2009 and 3 of us random strangers finished a LFD run, and we stood there chit chatting -- while baking -- until Blizzard kicked us out of the instance! lololol

Also, BECAUSE folks DID stay after completing a Void run, is how I found out about the caches, too.

YOU may think every public run operates like YOU do, but that's not even so.

And SCREAMING about Rejuvenation is the same exact rhetoric the forum jerks said about adding spirit. Or, even better, "delete the S key!" because THEY screamed "you don't need to walk backwards!!!" crap (DPS aren't tanks nor can they even appreciate positioning!), so they can justify keybinding the LMB and RMB to strafe with (people like that simply die in that scenario below, they couldn't survive the blasts without running into even MORE mobs... and how so many skeletons would litter the area because they took their crappy advice. I specifically made this video to prove them HOW wrong their "advice" was, too)...

So super focused on "end-game" to even realize how it is to level. Unless YOU bought your way to "end-game" with the maxed mods and acting pretty NOW. That is a whole other argument.

[Loza03]

25 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

So super focused on "end-game" to even realize how it is to level. Unless YOU bought your way to "end-game" with the maxed mods and acting pretty NOW. That is a whole other argument.

Ok, but, the example the OP gave was for 'end-game' content. Arbitrations.

Which indicates this guide is intended for end-game content, not players in the process of levelling.

[Kevyne_Kicklighter]

4 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

Ok, but, the example the OP gave was for 'end-game' content. Arbitrations.

Which indicates this guide is intended for end-game content, not players in the process of levelling.

And going back to my original argument:it also works in arbs. Especially when these "meta" folks DIE repeatedly, and YOUR forced to clear what THEY won't, as it'll ruin their PERFECT accuracy stats.

FPS games have been HORRIBLE for MMOs, because those very leaderboard stats bring in the mindsets of "perfect scores" and all the botting-cheating-exploiting they bring to achieve it, too.

Come to groups and be ready to do what is needed to finish them. Not JUST be a knuckle-headed copy and paste fool. You observe how they play and die, and compensate, especially with the "host migration" junk that leaves you to finish runs solo or lose everything!

[Veridian]

46 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

 

I'm well aware of what I posted and I have never seen player clear a room and spend 2 minutes to regen from Rejuvenate, when I do, you will have my apologies. You nitpicking at my use of "no one" is pointless.

I could get into a long winded argument about how spirit was something different in an environment where you have no health orbs, health doesn't regenerate from mission to mission, there are death penalties and regeneration requires consumables and the significance of that difference on spirit and rejuvenation...

But why bother, at this point you seem more keen on trying to impress someone with some random paladin and trying to prove me wrong by nitpicking about my communication skills and attacking me. The usual defensive tactics when you have nothing else to add I mean.

I won't bother with your last attempt of an insult.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ver1dian

[Loza03]

4 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

And going back to my original argument:it also works in arbs. Especially when these "meta" folks DIE repeatedly, and YOUR forced to clear what THEY won't, as it'll ruin their PERFECT accuracy stats.

FPS games have been HORRIBLE for MMOs, because those very leaderboard stats bring in the mindsets of "perfect scores" and all the botting-cheating-exploiting they bring to achieve it, too.

Come to groups and be ready to do what is needed to finish them. Not JUST be a knuckle-headed copy and paste fool. You observe how they play and die, and compensate, especially with the "host migration" junk that leaves you to finish runs solo or lose everything!

Talk about a non-sequitur.

None of this is related to my point - that there are better options at 'endgame' content and this guide was suggesting it as if it was for it.

HP can be gained via life strike with the energy gained for it by hunter adrenaline. Alternatively, you can use Magus Nourish or Elevate to heal your Warframe (I prefer Nourish for the consistency, and usefulness during Eidolon fights) at a far faster rate than can be done by Rejuvenate. Or through the use of Hirudo.

Your whole point is that 'Oooh people will only accept the PERFECT stats' but the point is that you're advocating something that has far better options that might not be optimal for DPS anyway. Life Strike and Hunter Adrenaline requires you take chip damage. Operator still requires that you give up DPS for a bit to heal. Hirudo's pretty 'meh' for DPS all told. Using them IS being ready for these situations, more so than waiting two minutes every time a room gets cleared.

[Kevyne_Kicklighter]

54 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

Talk about a non-sequitur.

None of this is related to my point - that there are better options at 'endgame' content and this guide was suggesting it as if it was for it.

HP can be gained via life strike with the energy gained for it by hunter adrenaline. Alternatively, you can use Magus Nourish or Elevate to heal your Warframe (I prefer Nourish for the consistency, and usefulness during Eidolon fights) at a far faster rate than can be done by Rejuvenate. Or through the use of Hirudo.

Your whole point is that 'Oooh people will only accept the PERFECT stats' but the point is that you're advocating something that has far better options that might not be optimal for DPS anyway. Life Strike and Hunter Adrenaline requires you take chip damage. Operator still requires that you give up DPS for a bit to heal. Hirudo's pretty 'meh' for DPS all told. Using them IS being ready for these situations, more so than waiting two minutes every time a room gets cleared.

Life Strike is MELEE. Tell me are you going to stand there with a pack of level 105 infested and think 20% Life steal is going to matter much? I BET you run with a Blessed Trinity, too!

Yeah, that's WHY public groups stop at wave 15, or now, at 30 minutes in survival -- when the TRUTH about their builds shows their flaws.

The flaw in the copy and paste builds is WHO you're running with. If ALL you play with are friends and guildies, you can have those copy and paste builds because someone has got your back.

If you use the public option, be preprared for the worst and compensate accordingly.

[DeMonkey]

31 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

Life Strike is MELEE. Tell me are you going to stand there with a pack of level 105 infested and think 20% Life steal is going to matter much?

Yes? That's a pretty easy way to heal yourself.

Wait, who even uses Life Strike at Max Rank?

[Veridian]

30 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

Life Strike is MELEE. Tell me are you going to stand there with a pack of level 105 infested and think 20% Life steal is going to matter much? I BET you run with a Blessed Trinity, too!

That right there lost you the last speck of credibility you could have had.

 

31 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

The flaw in the copy and paste builds is WHO you're running with. If ALL you play with are friends and guildies, you can have those copy and paste builds because someone has got your back.

You dont get to critisize the entire community's builds based on their disagreement to your amateur approach.

[Veridian]

1 minute ago, DeMonkey said:

Yes? That's a pretty easy way to heal yourself.

Wait, who even uses Life Strike at Max Rank?

I did, I was new and didnt know better 😕

[DeMonkey]

1 minute ago, Ver1dian said:

I did, I was new and didnt know better 😕

There there.

[Kevyne_Kicklighter]

1 minute ago, Ver1dian said:

That right there lost you the last speck of credibility you could have had.

 

You dont get to critisize the entire community's builds based on their disagreement to your amateur approach.

Nor, your elitist ways, while I have to pick up for folks like you.

Yeah, spam region chat to CARRY you for 3hrs. I rather get the job down sooner than that.

[Loza03]

1 minute ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

Life Strike is MELEE. Tell me are you going to stand there with a pack of level 105 infested and think 20% Life steal is going to matter much? I BET you run with a Blessed Trinity, too!

Yeah, that's WHY public groups stop at wave 15, or now, at 30 minutes in survival -- when the TRUTH about their builds shows their flaws.

The flaw in the copy and paste builds is WHO you're running with. If ALL you play with are friends and guildies, you can have those copy and paste builds because someone has got your back.

If you use the public option, be preprared for the worst and compensate accordingly.

I play solo or with a friend that plays Rhino the majority of the time. I either have nobody watching my back or a tank going off and doing his own thing. And, no, I don't play Trinity either. I also don't use life strike, I was just suggesting it as one of the several options for healing, which some players may be able to make use of - off the top of my head, players using hard CC frames, Ash or Tanks. If I do play pubs, I am entirely prepared to deal with the worst-case scenario.

And I still don't use this setup because it's just not as useful.

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

29 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

Life Strike is MELEE. Tell me are you going to stand there with a pack of level 105 infested and think 20% Life steal is going to matter much? I BET you run with a Blessed Trinity, too!

Yeah, that's WHY public groups stop at wave 15, or now, at 30 minutes in survival -- when the TRUTH about their builds shows their flaws.

The flaw in the copy and paste builds is WHO you're running with. If ALL you play with are friends and guildies, you can have those copy and paste builds because someone has got your back.

If you use the public option, be preprared for the worst and compensate accordingly.

I use Healing Return and quick melee with a Cassowar. I still run and gun. I haven’t used or ran with a Blessed Trinity in a while. And I tend to use whatever Frame that is more catered toward CC or dps, like Banshee, but have used Nezha and Saryn more lately. I never use Inaros hnless it’s a Radiation Hazard, Rhino unless a Riven challenge is needed with him, never Frost. High level Infested aren’t an issue when you get the first strike, but even if they have a ton of environmental CC and DoTs in effect there are ways to work around them. It’s the high dps of high level Corpus that are the issue, or the scaling enemy armor of high level Grineer that can be a concern.

With that said, it’s not a matter of copy pasta builds that should be the concern, but it is an apparent concept when meme builders from Youtube/Twitch partners share them openly to the public. The real issue here is a firm understanding of the game mechanics and using them to the fullest potential for your playstyle, and that’s something copying builds can never do.

I usually run 40mjn-1hr+ Kuva Fortress Survival on a PuG with an unranked frame because that’s where I usually level and get some spare Kuva in the process. From my own experience alone from playing this game for about 3 years, I’m in-depth with scaling enemy difficulty and countering them. 

If you want to go far into Warframe, or in any game in general, it’s the experience and backing it up.

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

I... don’t remember the last time I used Ash. And Loki, well, started using him again after a 2 year hiatus because I needed Spy/Rescue ops done and I wanted to level up my Kavat due to the new Tek mods. 🤔

Edited December 14, 2018 by (PS4)Lei-Lei_23

[Veridian]

9 minutes ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

Nor, your elitist ways, while I have to pick up for folks like you.

Yeah, spam region chat to CARRY you for 3hrs. I rather get the job down sooner than that.

This is the last time I reply to this bait.

Its not elitist pointing out the inferiority of certain builds.

And you've made your point quite clearly stating 100-105lv enemies as high, you obviously havent done anything longer than 30 minutes to justify your bragging of carying the entire WF community.

And I play solo or pubs only, even for Eidolons.

How many people need to say it before you realize the obvious?

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ver1dian

[Kevyne_Kicklighter]

Just now, Ver1dian said:

This is the last time I reply to this bait.

Its not elitist pointing out the inferiority of certqin builds.

And you've made your point quite clearly stating 100-105lv enemies as high, you obviously havent done anything longer than 30 minutes.

And I play solo or pubs only, even for Eidolons.

Bye!

[Kevyne_Kicklighter]

7 minutes ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said:

I use Healing Return and quick melee with a Cassowar.

What's the MR on Cassowar, again?

Around and around this goes...

 

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

1 minute ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

What's the MR on Cassowar, again?

Around and around this goes...

 

I could use Tonbo if you want? It doesn’t matter honestly.

[Kevyne_Kicklighter]

1 minute ago, (PS4)Lei-Lei_23 said:

I could use Tonbo if you want? It doesn’t matter honestly.

Now tell the audience HOW, again?

No Rivens or Umbriel builds on level 100+ mobs in PUBLIC instances, too.

Warframe will NEED your genius. Go ask and come back with a copy/paste reply on the mechanics of WHAT you're even talking about............

My skepticism is high, because so much BS to "look good" turns out to be trash in the end.

Explain not just give "I WIN" replies. That junk goes into file 13.

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

Condition Overload, Primed Reach (not necessary), Healing Return, Corrosive/Viral/Gas build. High Slash-bias melee. Take your pick.

Also make use of your Warframe abilities and/or Primary and Secondary to lay down the stat procs. An unranked Icespring on the Exilus slot goes a long way as well.

This is not elitism in any sense of the word, but an understanding on the core mechanics of melee and stat-proc stacking.

Do you want to reach further on your claims?

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

Also, performing Finishers gives you invincibility frames to boost your survivability. I usually go high Attack Speed to get more Finishers done out of the way to boost kps, but the duration of the Finisher animation is on the basis of the weapon’s base attack speed not boosted by Berserker since Berserker counts as a separate melee attack speed modifier.

There are plenty of frames that can force enemies to be susceptible to Finishers. Excalibur and Inaros are the obvious contenders that do this just fine, but I like rocking a Savage Silence Banshee with the Resonance Sonar built in as well to boost my burst dps as well as zone-CQCing enemies in and out of my range to perform finishers or go for the quick kill on a primary/secondary/melee strike before poking out again. Also, stances like Crimson Dervish or Stinging Thorn can exploit enemies to be open to Finishers, same with the Zakti.

But as I mentioned before, as long as you’re applying the stat-procs and stacking them, Condition Overload does the job just fine.

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

Regardless though, I think I’m derailing this thread past the initial opening post’s intent and its criticism so I’ll just stand back and watch with popcorn. 🍿

[Gnlstorm]

But in the end u need a pair of fast finger, good eyesight and quick thinking mindset... If u are bad in action/movement/aiming no matter how good your frame/weapons/mods is that also no use...

[kgabor]

/Banish

[HugintheCrow]

1 hour ago, Kevyne_Kicklighter said:

What's the MR on Cassowar, again?

Around and around this goes...

 

What does world of trashcraft have to do with anything?

Maybe use actual arguments next time?