Tridolons and future winter spider bounties should be locked untill you get your first built AMP and 10~MR

[ZesiMuerte]

Easy.

Just make a mini Eidolons test system. Like mastery rank system. Only solo. Treat them like "Eidolon Mastery System"

Step 1: Enter instance map of POE, only solo. Like mastery rank qualify

Step 2: Tera has 50% shield, health and damage. All behaviour and tells remains the same.

Step 3: Capture Tera within a time limit (Same time limit as cetus night.)

Rinse and repeat for Gantu/Hydro.

Pre-requisite for Tera:

- Minimum Tier 1 amp.

Pre-requisite for Gantu/Hydro:

- Minimum Tier 2 amp

Benefits of this method:

1) They can't enter quest to fight Teralyst. Konzu will say "Aiyo! You are too weak, go train more!" No more leechers.

2) This "mastery system" is not difficult. You don't even need meta build. I solo-ed capture with Mesa, with all focus school at 0 except Zenurik unlocked with maxed Zenurik Dash, carrying a no-riven-5-forma Lanka. (It's not an amazing feat and I have picture proof.) If a player can't even solo capture a Teralyst with its shield, health and damage reduced to 50% within the time limit, they will only be a deadweight in group play.

3) Even if they are weaker players, as long as they are able to complete the "eidolon mastery" challenge, they at least have some ideas on how to mitigate damage, how to deal damage and the process to take down the eidolons.

Tell me the cons. I would love to hear them.

 

[LordPantaloonsthe3rd]

delet eidolons

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

1 hour ago, spirit_of_76 said:

I don't have different ones

🙁

Well Konzu is a nice generous fellow who will probably offer you the basic lenses and materials to build some if you do him a few favours and yeah the greater BP costs credits, but it's good to have a stockpile of them to strap on to new stuff. 

1 hour ago, ZesiMuerte said:

Tell me the cons. I would love to hear them.

Pretty obvious one right at the start. If they can't join public hunts to learn how to hunt, then they probably won't learn how to hunt, and so won't pass your test, that will be required to be able to join the groups that would teach them to pass the test. 

 

Rather circular, catch-22 style. 

[ZesiMuerte]

2 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

🙁

Well Konzu is a nice generous fellow who will probably offer you the basic lenses and materials to build some if you do him a few favours and yeah the greater BP costs credits, but it's good to have a stockpile of them to strap on to new stuff. 

Pretty obvious one right at the start. If they can't join public hunts to learn how to hunt, then they probably won't learn how to hunt, and so won't pass your test, that will be required to be able to join the groups that would teach them to pass the test. 

 

Rather circular, catch-22 style. 

Do you need to join public groups to learn how to fight Kela De Thaym?

Do you need to join public groups to learn Radiation will cause friendly fire?

Do you need to join public groups to learn how to mod your guns?

How do you know how to do all of the above? Warframe wiki, youtube.

I grew up in a period where we call it the "Before Internet" era. If you are stuck in a game, you die and try again, die and try again, you find out why you die, you crack your brain with your friends. You pass the stage.

Then comes Gamefaqs, that's text only.

Now we have youtube and a youtuber, hand holding you the whole game, and you are telling me " If they can't join public hunts to learn how to hunt, then they probably won't learn how to hunt, and so won't pass your test"

Really? Is this how low games have to stoop down to?

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

10 minutes ago, ZesiMuerte said:

Do you need to join public groups to learn how to fight Kela De Thaym?

Do you need to join public groups to learn Radiation will cause friendly fire?

Do you need to join public groups to learn how to mod your guns?

How do you know how to do all of the above? Warframe wiki, youtube.

I grew up in a period where we call it the "Before Internet" era. If you are stuck in a game, you die and try again, die and try again, you find out why you die, you crack your brain with your friends. You pass the stage.

Then comes Gamefaqs, that's text only.

Now we have youtube and a youtuber, hand holding you the whole game, and you are telling me " If they can't join public hunts to learn how to hunt, then they probably won't learn how to hunt, and so won't pass your test"

Really? Is this how low games have to stoop down to?

Fascinating. I also grew up "before the Internet" and I am so fantastically happy to hear that you also have a plan for shutting down all schools and replacing teachers with youtu.be videos. I'm sure it will work out fantastically. Or not. Whatever. 

So yes the fastest way for folks to actually learn to hunt the Eidolons in this game is to do, because reading about it or watching videos doesn't teach people everything that they need. If you want to dispute it, you can find a newb and let them watch YouTube a couple of dozen times, or read GnarlsDarkley's guide a few dozen times. Then put them in to solo Terry and if any of them fail then you might want to look up a YouTube video about why your system isn't very good at teaching people what they actually need to do. 

 

Good luck. 

[MPonder]

I want to get the Profit counter on profile like eidolon. and even if they don't, I won't do party with people that don't have at least 100 hydro. Because I'd expect people to at least have enough focus on mobility nodes when the other spider bosses come and profit is actually worth grinding.

Edited January 8, 2019 by MPonder

[ZesiMuerte]

27 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Fascinating. I also grew up "before the Internet" and I am so fantastically happy to hear that you also have a plan for shutting down all schools and replacing teachers with youtu.be videos. I'm sure it will work out fantastically. Or not. Whatever. 

So yes the fastest way for folks to actually learn to hunt the Eidolons in this game is to do, because reading about it or watching videos doesn't teach people everything that they need. If you want to dispute it, you can find a newb and let them watch YouTube a couple of dozen times, or read GnarlsDarkley's guide a few dozen times. Then put them in to solo Terry and if any of them fail then you might want to look up a YouTube video about why your system isn't very good at teaching people what they actually need to do. 

 

Good luck. 

False equivalence.

Education institute are designed to teach a certain specialisation and/or skills in order to prepare graduate out to the workforce. They are meant to equip you with the skill and knowledge to prepare you to enter an industry. Being certified / having a license doesn't mean you are competent. It simply means you have the bare minimum to seek area in said position and/or enter a particular industry. Watching countless of youtube videos will not help you seek employment. (At least in the STEM industries, though there may have outliers cases.)

Secondly, when you are in University, does your lecturers teach you everything? Does your lecturers spoonfeed you every content in a subject?

Do you, perhaps, have to find information from other sources such as online forums, books written by credible authours, peer-reviewed journals? Things that your lecturers and/or professors may not even tell you about?

Back to the context of Eidolon hunting. A simple, step by step process of capturing an Eidolon, can be practiced by doing "Eidolon Mastery" challenge repeatedly until they understand every single process. Die and try again. Die and try again. It's not that hard to understand.

You are saying hunting a eidolon in a game (where each and every step is explained clearly, and can be practiced as many times as possible, without repurcussions.) is as hard as education institute training and preparing graduates to enter the workforce. Do you realised how ridiculous that sounds?

Take note, in my suggestion, I mention that Eidolons' health, shield and damage are reduced to 50%.

Lastly, if an old man, with bad reflexes and a noob is able to solo capture a Teralyst with silly Mesa, with the help of Youtube videos, forums and reddit, I am pretty sure young men and women in this game are able to do it even better than me.

edit:words,spellings,keyboard.

Edited January 8, 2019 by ZesiMuerte

[Softballbryan]

I’m a new player, under 5-6 months of playtime, and I just starting doing the first eidolon.... I’m MR 23 and have been learning everything I can about warframe. 

Would i I think to go in to a hunt without preparing and educating myself a little bit? Of course not, and if you got grouped in the public area on my first few tries (after I chased volms hanging with teralyst, after watching YouTube’s,twitch,wiki and building an amp) you would have said, “he’s new, but he contributed with his forma vectis prime radiation, 777 amp and undying Inaros.” People were telling me to charge my lure quickly which made things a bit chaotic at first but I was trying to be a team player. 

The problem people are having is tennos coming into the battle not showing any desire to try to contribute or help out. Shame on these people for going into the battles without any preparation and a mote amp. There should be a set of tests that must be accomplished before entering public Eidolon or profit taker battles. A simple solution that would force people to learn how to battle together... 

[(PSN)Double991]

I know this isn't helping the cause but I had an MR21 Equinox in my Tridolon run proceed to go AFK on a hilltop after we capped the Teralyst and our progress was halted because we needed their shard.

Even with the requirement of an amp and an MR of 10 the player mentioned above would get still through. Perhaps a solo Teralyst test could be made mandatory before being allowed to queue for the tridolon bounty.

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

4 hours ago, ZesiMuerte said:

False equivalence.

Education institute are designed to teach a certain specialisation and/or skills in order to prepare graduate out to the workforce. They are meant to equip you with the skill and knowledge to prepare you to enter an industry. Being certified / having a license doesn't mean you are competent. It simply means you have the bare minimum to seek area in said position and/or enter a particular industry. Watching countless of youtube videos will not help you seek employment. (At least in the STEM industries, though there may have outliers cases.)

Secondly, when you are in University, does your lecturers teach you everything? Does your lecturers spoonfeed you every content in a subject?

Do you, perhaps, have to find information from other sources such as online forums, books written by credible authours, peer-reviewed journals? Things that your lecturers and/or professors may not even tell you about?

Back to the context of Eidolon hunting. A simple, step by step process of capturing an Eidolon, can be practiced by doing "Eidolon Mastery" challenge repeatedly until they understand every single process. Die and try again. Die and try again. It's not that hard to understand.

You are saying hunting a eidolon in a game (where each and every step is explained clearly, and can be practiced as many times as possible, without repurcussions.) is as hard as education institute training and preparing graduates to enter the workforce. Do you realised how ridiculous that sounds?

Take note, in my suggestion, I mention that Eidolons' health, shield and damage are reduced to 50%.

Lastly, if an old man, with bad reflexes and a noob is able to solo capture a Teralyst with silly Mesa, with the help of Youtube videos, forums and reddit, I am pretty sure young men and women in this game are able to do it even better than me.

edit:words,spellings,keyboard.

Ooh I love the strategy, "claim false equivalence and then you go ahead and give all the reasons why they're the same", you know that's what you did, right?  And just so you can figure it out, joining hunts is how we complete our knowledge. Otherwise you would have just as much success asking them to answer a few multiple choice questions before letting them into the hunt. But that's not what you want, is it? You want people who can hit the invisible and wonky hit boxes, you want someone who knows what the audible cues are, you want someone who can find, knock out, hack and charge the lures. You want someone who knows when to hop into the void, and when top hop back out. And most of all, you want someone who knows how to do it with a team. 

Because I really don't need to babysit a team of Gara's who were smart enough to know that a solo meta would be a good idea to build for a solo test. 

[purdo84]

You know, A simpler solution would be to move the eidolon bounties to Onkko and have the tricap locked behind rank 2 or 3.

[spirit_of_76]

21 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Well Konzu is a nice generous fellow who will probably offer you the basic lenses and materials to build some if you do him a few favours and yeah the greater BP costs credits, but it's good to have a stockpile of them to strap on to new stuff.

so does eudico but I generally wait until I have eidolon lenses I just need to farm cetus for a bit anyway.