vladoMNE Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1st Ability: Kept same, except every teammate's health heals by 10% (scales with power strength, up to 25%) per enemy hit 2nd Ability: Removed iron skin, the new ability would sacrifice the amount of shields equal to rhino's missing health in order to replenish his health back to 100% 3rd Ability: Kept same, duration increased 4th Ability: Kept same, ignores 50% enemy armor and lasts longer Stats: Health: 2 500 (with umbral set, I cant do reverse percentages :/) Shield: 3 000 (with redirection) Armor: 450 (600 for prime) Energy: 200 (on max rank) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljmadruga Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 So nerf ironskin and replace it with a FAR inferior self heal than even healing return? No. Rhino is meant to be a tank first and foremost. He currently does that extremely well. In addition, his kit is straightforward and new-player friendly. He does NOT need a rework as much as other frames (see: Vauban, Ember, Titania, Khora, Revenant’s not bad but he is boring, same with Octavia admittedly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDGDen Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 those health and shield stats seem pretty high.... also. this seems like you want rhino to have everything. healing, buffs, tankiness and CC. which honestly doesnt suit him. i'd say keep him as is, which is simple for new players (who likely will be picking rhino up as one of their first frames). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladoMNE Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, SupremeDutchGamer said: those health and shield stats seem pretty high.... also. this seems like you want rhino to have everything. healing, buffs, tankiness and CC. which honestly doesnt suit him. i'd say keep him as is, which is simple for new players (who likely will be picking rhino up as one of their first frames). 2 hours ago, ljmadruga said: So nerf ironskin and replace it with a FAR inferior self heal than even healing return? No. Rhino is meant to be a tank first and foremost. He currently does that extremely well. In addition, his kit is straightforward and new-player friendly. He does NOT need a rework as much as other frames (see: Vauban, Ember, Titania, Khora, Revenant’s not bad but he is boring, same with Octavia admittedly) i just wanted his tankyness to come from his stats, not abilities because its hard usrviving as rhino without iron skin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDGDen Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 4 minutes ago, vladoMNE said: i just wanted his tankyness to come from his stats, not abilities because its hard usrviving as rhino without iron skin then..... cast ironskin. seriously. mr2 players get how to play rhino without dying. also. surviving as rhino isnt hard. period. he already has pretty high stats for a frame that new players can easily get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljmadruga Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, vladoMNE said: i just wanted his tankyness to come from his stats, not abilities because its hard usrviving as rhino without iron skin 1- What you are looking for is Inaros. 2- Hard? Surviving as Rhino? Really? I hit 60k Ironskin regularly with him. The problem is not that he needs a rework. The problem is your build and how you play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladoMNE Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, SupremeDutchGamer said: then..... cast ironskin. seriously. mr2 players get how to play rhino without dying. also. surviving as rhino isnt hard. period. he already has pretty high stats for a frame that new players can easily get. people who dont use shield or health mods on rhino cant survive if there are energy leeches behind walls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladoMNE Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, ljmadruga said: 1- What you are looking for is Inaros. 2- Hard? Surviving as Rhino? Really? I hit 60k Ironskin regularly with him. The problem is not that he needs a rework. The problem is your build and how you play him. i get 80k ironskin regularly and when it falls off (which it does quickly) i cant survive if i have no energy and even if i do i have short time to recast it Edited December 8, 2018 by vladoMNE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladoMNE Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, vladoMNE said: 1st Ability: Kept same, except every teammate's health heals by 10% (scales with power strength, up to 25%) per enemy hit 2nd Ability: Removed iron skin, the new ability would sacrifice the amount of shields equal to rhino's missing health in order to replenish his health back to 100% 3rd Ability: Kept same, duration increased 4th Ability: Kept same, ignores 50% enemy armor and lasts longer Stats: Health: 2 500 (with umbral set, I cant do reverse percentages :/) Shield: 3 000 (with redirection) Armor: 450 (600 for prime) Energy: 200 (on max rank) ive thought about this rework again, i made so much mistakes here. i take everything back except that he should have more energy and i want iron shrapnel to be a built-in feature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GnarlsDarkley Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 19 minutes ago, vladoMNE said: people who dont use shield[...]mods on rhino cant survive People who use shield mods on any frame have no idea how to mod in the first place. this may sound hard, but it's the hard truth. I am not saying they are useless but only less than 5 frames out of 38 can make a use of it. 19 minutes ago, vladoMNE said: i get 80k ironskin regularly proof...because that one I doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)big_eviljak Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 36 minutes ago, vladoMNE said: i just wanted his tankyness to come from his stats, not abilities because its hard usrviving as rhino without iron skin Hey i have an Iron Gunner build where i rarely use his iron skin. Id be happy to share it with you. Only change i want for rhino is how his iron skin interact with Nullys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladoMNE Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 4 hours ago, (PS4)big_eviljak said: Hey i have an Iron Gunner build where i rarely use his iron skin. Id be happy to share it with you. Only change i want for rhino is how his iron skin interact with Nullys. do you have discord? my username and tag is vladoMNE#8986 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladoMNE Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 On 2018-12-08 at 7:46 PM, vladoMNE said: do you have discord? my username and tag is vladoMNE#8986 please respond Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xolgys Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 rhino needs no rework...especially if the reworked result is just plain worse in every possible way. also...why do u call this a rework ? all u really do is remove iron skin which is so very very good so that by itself is already a bad suggestion but also basically the only real idea u propose since the rest doesnt really matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vladoMNE Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Xydeth said: rhino needs no rework...especially if the reworked result is just plain worse in every possible way. also...why do u call this a rework ? all u really do is remove iron skin which is so very very good so that by itself is already a bad suggestion but also basically the only real idea u propose since the rest doesnt really matter. i literally took it back 2 days ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)big_eviljak Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 hours ago, vladoMNE said: please respond I do, however i have searched u to no avail. Ill upload my build when i get hm later to imgur and link my build to you through pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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