Able to change the polarized slot after forma

[(PSN)JA-Start]

Hello DE Staff,

Problem/Question

Will we ever be able to change the ploarity of a slot without using another forma on a slot that has already been polarized.  To simplify this question if I perform 2 forma's on a warframe, could it be possible to change the polarity of the two slots again without leveling up again? 

The fast changing environment makes it hard for me to finish build.  I personally ran into this problem a lot.  I had several of my warframes forma'd multiple times.  But over the course of time new mods are introduced that could be better and your prior work becomes worthless because you have to do everything all over again. 

Solution:

Excluding aura and elixus slot could a person max forma a warframe 8 times and tailor their builds to what they prefer if a new mod set comes we can change the polarity on something that has already been forma'd. 

I hope this made any sense as I am sure this has come to you guys before but, I can't seem to find the answer for this question.

 

Thank you in advance.

[Gingingt]

Very relatable, but more forma means more money for DE so...

[ZeroX4]

I would say better idea would be not to use forma to polarize slot but use forma to add polarization to stock from which you could select polarization you made and put it in and out on the fly.

Forming for the most part would work the same way as it is now. You use forma, you select polarization you want, BUT you get for it something like polarization mod which u can put anywhere you want or take it out at will.

Like you go to arsenal > upgrade > actions > polarize > But here instead of just selecting which polarization burn into slot you would have something like pool of polarizations that item had and that you made.

And you select which should be placed where, And if its about making us use more formas, then this system should come with option that you add polarization for each configuration separately. 

This way instead of locking yourself with either max duration volt you could go on 2nd configuration with max hp volt and some ability strength.

On each configuration you would have same pool of polarization to distribute, but could add different, less or more polarizations on another configuration.

This would make us use more forma if that's the case since we could alternate our builds and have 3 of them at once for each frame.
Instead of locking ourself with just 1 set of polarization and altering everything to it.

And before someone starts yes i know in most cases you don't need too different polarizations, you can pretty much have 3 different builds for same warframe with same polarization.
In case of volt this is more than doable.

But imagine burning few extra formas and being able to add on config C making a build from totally different mods where you won't need to leave 1 slot empty or have red polarization since it don't match what is on config A or B.

It's not like you forma volt to get max speed out of it then you forma it again so u can go to tridolon hunt but u want to run fast again trough some missions so you forma it back.

[(NSW)Gregory]

33 minutes ago, ZeroZX4 said:

I would say better idea would be not to use forma to polarize slot but use forma to add polarization to stock from which you could select polarization you made and put it in and out on the fly.

Forming for the most part would work the same way as it is now. You use forma, you select polarization you want, BUT you get for it something like polarization mod which u can put anywhere you want or take it out at will.

Like you go to arsenal > upgrade > actions > polarize > But here instead of just selecting which polarization burn into slot you would have something like pool of polarizations that item had and that you made.

And you select which should be placed where, And if its about making us use more formas, then this system should come with option that you add polarization for each configuration separately. 

This way instead of locking yourself with either max duration volt you could go on 2nd configuration with max hp volt and some ability strength.

On each configuration you would have same pool of polarization to distribute, but could add different, less or more polarizations on another configuration.

This would make us use more forma if that's the case since we could alternate our builds and have 3 of them at once for each frame.
Instead of locking ourself with just 1 set of polarization and altering everything to it.

And before someone starts yes i know in most cases you don't need too different polarizations, you can pretty much have 3 different builds for same warframe with same polarization.
In case of volt this is more than doable.

But imagine burning few extra formas and being able to add on config C making a build from totally different mods where you won't need to leave 1 slot empty or have red polarization since it don't match what is on config A or B.

It's not like you forma volt to get max speed out of it then you forma it again so u can go to tridolon hunt but u want to run fast again trough some missions so you forma it back.

I’ve proposed a similar idea.

It just sucks when you’re going for a certain build and you overwrite a polarization, but then the meta changes and new mods are released and you need the polarization you just discarded.

On the PS4 I had a Nidus that I had polarized 10+ times, adding, removing and overwriting polarities. I once polarized the Aura slot from the V polarity to the — polarity, because I wanted to use Energy Siphon and the many other — polarity Aura mods, only to change it back for Steel Charge later when I learned about how it boosts your mod capacity more than the others (+ I used my Hirudo a lot, so extra melee damage is good)

I think that if you spend all that time and money and effort to polarize a weapon or Warframe, you shouldn’t be taking steps backwards. There should always be some improvement, not a loss.

I don’t know if they ever intend to “fix” this, but I hope they implement something.

[(PSN)JA-Start]

I am just glad that others understand the inconvenience. And thats an understatement because when the roster of warframes keep getting larger its getting that much harder to keep up.  

When the umbral mods were released I knew what had just happened.  All my builds were outdated.  I like to have the best builds so something like Umbral intensify really matters. 

[(PSN)AbBaNdOn_IGN]

Does Paracesis get stronger as it climbs to Level 40??  I havent even been looking.   But its kinda how I wished using Forma worked....

A new system I was thinking of......

-normal slots are "locked" and just accept any mod for full price.

-Forma'ed slots "unlock" and can be switched at any point in time.

-The more forma you add to something (the more unlocked it is) the more powerful it becomes.

[(NSW)Gregory]

2 hours ago, (PS4)AbBaNdOn_IGN said:

Does Paracesis get stronger as it climbs to Level 40??  I havent even been looking.   But its kinda how I wished using Forma worked....

A new system I was thinking of......

-normal slots are "locked" and just accept any mod for full price.

-Forma'ed slots "unlock" and can be switched at any point in time.

-The more forma you add to something (the more unlocked it is) the more powerful it becomes.

Yes, it increases in max rank and mod capacity with every polarization, at least to a certain point at which it caps off.

2 hours ago, (PS4)JA-Start said:

I am just glad that others understand the inconvenience. And thats an understatement because when the roster of warframes keep getting larger its getting that much harder to keep up.  

When the umbral mods were released I knew what had just happened.  All my builds were outdated.  I like to have the best builds so something like Umbral intensify really matters. 

Yeah. Right now I have all three Umbral Mods on my Nidus, and I’m shooting for a build I saw on one of Tactical Potatos’s videos.

175% range, 220% power strength, and 155% duration with an ordinary 100% efficiency.

Kinda don’t like Duration builds on Nidus because of his Larva, and there’s no Flow on the build, so I might sub out Primed Continuity (which I don’t have anyway) for something else.

Honestly, if Warframes had an extra slot for Augment mods, I could fit in Larva Burst and make Larva recastable + get some extra damage, but meh...

[SenorClipClop]

I'm not convinced.

This is one of those things that's hard to disagree with because it makes the player character stronger or it makes their time easier, but it doesn't need to happen to enjoy the game. Using a Forma to polarize your weapon/frame makes your it stronger, but also customizes it to specifically suit you. There's a trade-off: your weapon gets more powerful, but you have to know your stuff (kind of*) to make the weapon work. If we had it like "this mod slot now just makes any mod cost half its drain", that would certainly make building your weapons more convenient, but it takes the thinking out of upgrading your weapon/frame.

*And I say "kind of" because there are only 3 possible ways to polarize a weapon -- 4 to polarize a frame, but you'll almost never polarize for Zenurik. It's not like polarizing a slot locks you out of customizing. Polarizing a slot for Vazarin on a frame can be a little limiting, but Vazarin mods are more than just survivability. And if Vazarin is too limiting, polarize something else and maybe you'll have to polarize 2 mods to keep flexibility. My point here is that outside of Umbral builds (which are their own challenge), I've never seen a realistic build that locks out other ways of building.

[Sabreracer]

Think of adding Forma as specialisation.

The more you add (to a point) the stronger that build becomes BUT at the cost of flexibility.

You can either go for a meta build and make it as strong as possible (it could be duration or range not just power) or you retain the choice of having multiple builds and changing how you play.  You can of course have multiple copies of a Warframe if you want both.

Forma and frame slots are not expensive compared to buying stuff from the market so it's not a huge investment.  It would be more of a "Main" thing or something to do at higher MR when you're looking for a project.

As for myself, I run a flexible path most of my frames have 2-4 Forma as well as a Reactor I think one or two have 5 Forma.  My only multiple one (other than those gained from Twitch giveaways) is an Umbral Valkyr.  Having said that I do also keep non-primes and sometimes use those if I want something more niche.

 

TL:DR

I try to balance out the Forma used to allow multiple builds as much as possible.

 

Edited December 9, 2018 by Sabreracer

[CarrotSalad]

We should be able to after they removed rivens from Switch players accounts. I put some D and - polarities in some of my favourite weapons to fit some lucky riven rolls i got. Now those polarities are hurting those weapons because theres no mods i can put in place.

I never really cared about this feature before but now its just hurt a few of my favourite weapons after migrating my PC account to Nintendo switch.

[OsirusVGG]

What I think would be fair would be for Forma to work on blank slots exactly as it does now, but for more forma on a polarized slot to add a second supported polarity to the slot. In other words, if you have V polarity on a slot, you could spend a forma (or two?) to add D polarity to that slot without losing the V polarity. Maybe the cost rises by 1 forma for each polarity already on the slot, but if you're willing to take the time and effort, you could have a couple slots that match all polarities.

[(PSN)dursereg]

I prefer that config b and could have differing polarities then each others.