Frost (Snow Globe) Is Balanced And Totally Not Overpowered :)

[rksk16it]

So I noticed players talking about how Frost needs a buff since he got only one useful ability. In a thread one player asked to name any ability which is better than M. Prime, to which I responded "Snow Globe". As expected, some players disagreed with it, its ok, everybody has different opinion.

Now before moving on to fun stuff, here is a short disclaimer : This is NOT a showcase of skill but a feedback on Frost and Snow Globe. A casual game in any typical MOBA requires MUCH more skill than this.

Ok, here we start

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Edited September 9, 2013 by rksk16it

[rksk16it]

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Rather than asking to nerf Nova, I should be asking DE to bring Nova and Vauban to Frost's level :)

Note : If you wanna do something in Warframe which actually requires skill, try to do what this guy has done : https://forums.warframe.com/index.php?/topic/97155-whats-the-worst-frame-in-the-game/page-2#entry1096440

Edited September 9, 2013 by rksk16it

[Soopineer]

Still requires alternative abilities, cause I want to be massively offensive Frost.

[rksk16it]

Still requires alternative abilities, cause I want to be massively offensive Frost.

 

Yeap cuz Ogris and Acrid dont do any dmg at all, especially when maxed serration/hornet and 5 formas on each. Probably you need M.Prime and pre-nerf Venom on Frost.

[Keltik0ne]

Still requires alternative abilities, cause I want to be massively offensive Frost.

You are totally missing the point mate.

 

And OP, you say it's not about skill ? Screw that, well played, well played indeed.

[X3Evanescence]

Well played. Actually, did that myself with exactly the same setup. A few heart pounding moments, but overall quite fun.

What I noticed is... No Redirection!?

Kudos. Kudos to you.

[Big_Ed]

Les puts limits on the number of atkers that can pew pew at snow globe =D.............. o wait................ we need to take all aoe ablilitys an make them 5 targets only, its only fair *shakes finger*.

 

 

Jus trolling i have no objective points to make other than its all FISHY whats goin on here.

[Althix]

yes no redirection because this mod is rather optional. simply because let say in the party you have a snowglobe or bastille. or you are playing with a frame that rush to the enemy like nyx to use absorb, you have a trinity with blessing.

 

also when you run T3D solo as on any other defense, mobs approaching you at slower rate. so yeah it's doable.

 

as for snowglobe... well give frost something in return, because changing cost of snowglobe won't do much and if you add hp to snowglobe it will lose it's usefulness on highlevel like link just did.

Edited September 9, 2013 by Althix

[neKroMancer]

Snow globe is comparable to other god mode abilities. However, the fact that it has become a backbone ability for any team that wants to fight in high level defense against range faction makes it harder to change without changing the endless defense mechanic.

[Keltik0ne]

I think part of the point he's raising is Snowglobe isn't even an ulti skill. It's just everyone thinks it is since Avalanche is so meh.

[WarG0d]

Yes, now do this w/o the acrid/ogris.

[Keltik0ne]

Yes, now do this w/o the acrid/ogris.

Why ?

 

C'mon, get on your Nova and solo a t3def, you can even try with Acrid and Ogris equipped.

Edited September 9, 2013 by Keltik0ne

[WarG0d]

Why ?

 

C'mon, get on your Nova and solo a t3def, you can even try with Acrid and Ogris equipped.

 

Obviously, since you don't get it. The acrid and ogris (and torid ) are as much of the problem as snow globe.

 

Otherweapons(Frost) = very difficult to do the same

Acrid/Ogris(someotherwarframe) = very difficult to do the same

Edited September 9, 2013 by WarG0d

[Keltik0ne]

Obviously, since you don't get it. The acrid and ogris (and torid ) are as much of the problem as snow globe.

Ok, get on your overpowered Nova, arm her up and burn that t3def !

 

Post pics please.

[Malaheart]

Snow globe is over powered. It trivializes two, TWO of the three factions in the game and the counters DE has come up with have not worked. But the reason why Nova is (and should be) in the spot light for next to be nerfed is because Snow globe does not kill everyone's fun. Molecular Prime clears entire rooms/waves leaving the other players to do nothing but sit on there hands and follow the nova (who is faster than them) through the mission. Snow globe is a utility power, it kills nothing leaving all the other players able to play the game, albeit with little risk, but they can still play the game. I really do think DE just needs to up with better counters for snow globe, a direct nerf maybe too heavy handed. After all what else does frost have?

[-Kittens-]

It's cool to be all passive-agressive about what is obvious and act like you're being clever about it, but changes to Frost are already coming,

 

Scott said no absolutes, and we've already seen that implemented in other changes. It's touching you're real sad about Saryn and all that, but it's equally obvious changes are coming to everyone else in equal measure.

[rksk16it]

It's cool to be all passive-agressive about what is obvious and act like you're being clever about it, but changes to Frost are already coming,

 

Scott said no absolutes, and we've already seen that implemented in other changes. It's touching you're real sad about Saryn and all that, but it's equally obvious changes are coming to everyone else in equal measure.

 

I am not passive-aggressive buddy, but just aggressive.

 

Changes to Frost comming ? hmm... talk moar out of the blue ? link pls

 

Scott and every1 else at DE said lots of things in the past. Bringing every1 to vauban and nova bull****.

 

And finally I am not sad about Saryn, I am sad about DE's way of doing ninja-nerfs. Its pathetic you lack the skills to properly interpret normal english.

Edited September 9, 2013 by rksk16it

[-Kittens-]

I understand perfectly, you just don't have an actual point to make, and again, taking the literal passive-aggressive route I think wins the pathetic award, and we haven't even covered your "Saryn nerfed cause platinum for new frame" exegesis which turned out to be ya know, completely untrue cause lichframe doesn't have crawling DoT like you purported he would.

 

So who's talking bullsh!t then? Only two frames with absolutes remain, and there's zero evidence they're going to remain that way.

 

Just because DE didn't implement the change right now, and stick your username on the patch doesn't mean it's coming.

 

If the pace is too slow for you now, then you're gonna be real sad when Sony starts implementing code and data-side cert unless DE has already decoupled them, cause it's gonna start being 6 week minimums on build vetting.

[rksk16it]

I understand perfectly, you just don't have an actual point to make, and again, taking the literal passive-aggressive route I think wins the pathetic award, and we haven't even covered your "Saryn nerfed cause platinum for new frame" exegesis which turned out to be ya know, completely untrue cause lichframe doesn't have crawling DoT like you purported he would.

 

So who's talking bullsh!t then? Only two frames with absolutes remain, and there's zero evidence they're going to remain that way.

 

Just because DE didn't implement the change right now, and stick your username on the patch doesn't mean it's coming.

 

If the pace is too slow for you now, then you're gonna be real sad when Sony starts implementing code and data-side cert unless DE has already decoupled them, cause it's gonna start being 6 week minimums on build vetting.

 

Nope, you understand only enough to argue, and when you will run out of points you will paste pictures of cats. Yes please, do "cover" whatever I said, I am not scared, really.

 

Whatever I said about new frame, I always added words like : "I think", "I expect", etc, I never concluded anything. Unlike you who are still assuming everything. Its not about absolutes will be removed or not, I know they will be removed. I am only irked by the fact that they are only removed when a new frame with competing powers is released. Bastile vs Terror Totem ? Venom vs Soul Punch ? Yes soul punch doesnt spread, but guess what, it stacks armor reduction debuff. If I am given the old venom back then why the **** would I like to stack that stupid debuff when I can stack armor ignoring dmg and be done with it ?

 

I dont want them to stick my username on anything, I want them to get their facts straight in the god**** patch notes.

 

But yea, seems like you enjoy defending DE on everything. Please go on, I would like to hear more. Maybe bring one or two cat pictures too.

[merryfistmas]

So what is the point of this thread? Bring Nova and Vauban to frosts level? They're not even the same types of frames, they're not even comparable.

[rangeless]

Snow Globe lasts too long =.=

 

With constitution and continuity and energy siphon, you can pretty much snow globe for a LONG time!

 

I don't think the mechanic needs to be changed but the duration DEFINITELY needs to be reworked....45~ seconds of protection for just 35 energy is OP!

Edited September 9, 2013 by rangeless

[rksk16it]

So what is the point of this thread? Bring Nova and Vauban to frosts level? They're not even the same types of frames, they're not even comparable.

 

Who cares if they are same type or not ?

T3 defense is a widely considered end-game content by many players, and its the highest non-optional content you have to face if you want to get everything in the game. Yes you can go much higher in normal defense missions, but there rewards wont change, so they are entirely optional whether or not you care about getting rewards.

So, one frame (Frost) can solo the end game content, whereas the other (Nova) supposedly cannot, even though she is considered "overpowered".

And finally, the "difference" you are talking about is probably being defensive/utility or offensive. Well its not like my Frost was just standing in the globe hoping the enemies to die of boredome, he was actually killing them, and killing them fast enough.

[OOLuigiOo]

Snow Globe lasts too long =.=

 

With constitution and continuity and energy siphon, you can pretty much snow globe for a LONG time!

 

I don't think the mechanic needs to be changed but the duration DEFINITELY needs to be reworked....45~ seconds of protection for just 35 energy is OP!

Your basing your decision on a mod that's very rare and can only be acquired in nightmare mode. You should be rewarded for finding it, not punished for it's existence.

Edited September 9, 2013 by OOLuigiOo

[OOLuigiOo]

Snow globe is over powered. It trivializes two, TWO of the three factions in the game and the counters DE has come up with have not worked. But the reason why Nova is (and should be) in the spot light for next to be nerfed is because Snow globe does not kill everyone's fun. Molecular Prime clears entire rooms/waves leaving the other players to do nothing but sit on there hands and follow the nova (who is faster than them) through the mission. Snow globe is a utility power, it kills nothing leaving all the other players able to play the game, albeit with little risk, but they can still play the game. I really do think DE just needs to up with better counters for snow globe, a direct nerf maybe too heavy handed. After all what else does frost have?

Enemies run right into it, you lose.

[merryfistmas]

So you want to buff nova even further to be able to solo T3 defense? How about no. Frost can solo it because he's designed for defense and defense is the only thing that resembles "endgame". This isn't a problem with snowglobe or other frames not being good enough, it's a problem with there not being any endgame. Vauban and Nova REALLY don't need any buffs, but DE does need to give enemies a way to deal with snowglobe..