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4 часа назад, sirdaniel100 сказал:

i love how people  call it harmless yet with that exploit you can pretty much rush the all melee, warframe , secondary and primary affinity off all of those catagoriess (i was lazy to calculate all) but basicly those 4 catagories would only take 3.5 hours so yeah it pretty much harms the point of playing the game and the exp grind

What warframe has to do with it? You clearly have no idea what youre talking about, you cannot fast level warframe like that. It also requires a warframe noobs dont have. So the only people doing so are those who already played the game enough, have many unleveled weapons or formaed ones. Realistically, its gonna be the last category because VERY rarely long term players are gonna have more than 5 unleveled but built weapons just lying around 

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37 minutes ago, Kraus0614 said:

Hmm, individuals found a bug and exploited it. Now they are getting suspended for it? Lets review what happened:

 

A. An exploit is found by a gaming community. The responsibility for said exploit lies with the developers.

B. They did not create the exploit/modify existing code. It can be performed by only using actions found in the game, no code injection/separate programs required.

C. The exploit is not harmful by any means.

D. Individuals are punished and held responsible for utilizing some faulty programming that, in reality, the development team should be accountable for.

 

That would be like someone giving you a [Zenith] but they get mad when you use the disc all the time and report you for it. 

or u can send a report to DE instead of making a video about this problem and how to get cheese exp, if u dont want faulty programing u can help the devs, since they try to make Warframe fair for u and everyone.

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10 hours ago, Voltage said:

Thank you for the hotfix!

I am guessing this was the Khora affinity exploit advertised on YouTube. I have witnessed bugs/exploits/abuse shown by partners in the past, but I still wonder why they keep their affiliation badge. This seems very similar to a certain topic looming on Reddit regarding the behavior of affiliated players.

like the one of that guy talking about the admin who keeps removing his comments?

 

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Il y a 1 heure, Kraus0614 a dit :

Hmm, individuals found a bug and exploited it. Now they are getting suspended for it? Lets review what happened:

 

A. An exploit is found by a gaming community. The responsibility for said exploit lies with the developers.

B. They did not create the exploit/modify existing code. It can be performed by only using actions found in the game, no code injection/separate programs required.

C. The exploit is not harmful by any means.

D. Individuals are punished and held responsible for utilizing some faulty programming that, in reality, the development team should be accountable for.

 

That would be like someone giving you a [Zenith] but they get mad when you use the disc all the time and report you for it.

I wouldn't mind if their weapons were reset though, no matters if they were using formas or whatever. Only "extreme offenders" were mentioned and you don't need to be a genius to understand that using exploits is basically cheating - Third party programs or not.

I'll give you a way more relevant example here, if someone forgets to lock his house's door, does it allow anyone to enter and rob him ? No. This people are cheating, no one forced them to do that and they should be punished accordingly.

I'm tired of this brand new era of players who are never responsible of anything, no matters what they do, say or think. People should grow up at once.

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11 hours ago, AIAS-5 said:

- When one squad member is done loading a mission and skips the mission intro cinematic before other players have the mission loaded, those might be stuck watching the cinematic without being able to skip it

THIS!!!

Please fix it, its so annoying pressing the skip button but nothing happens. I'm just stuck there for 5 secs pressing the space key

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1 час назад, -BigB0ss- сказал:

or u can send a report to DE instead of making a video about this problem and how to get cheese exp, if u dont want faulty programing u can help the devs, since they try to make Warframe fair for u and everyone.

But considers this. 

Having to relevel WEAPONS after each forma that you need to SIMPLY PUT ALL MODS IN ALL SLOTS NOT EVEN TALKING RIVENS OR PRIMED Ones on a weapon WITH CATALYST IN IT, on top of farming parts or blueprints,farming resources to build, farming formas, resources for forma, waiting till its all built and especially levelung warframe that takes forever. IS UNFAIR. 

Oh the irony. 

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11 hours ago, Nexeroff said:

If you have done any developing of any software, specially anything this complex, you would also know that there is a need to prioritize what you fix right away and what you put on the to-do list.

Naming your K-Drive I imagine is not nearly as important as fixing things that negatively affect game play.  To you, it might in fact be the most important fix, but to the majority of people, specially those not using a K-Drive yet I am pretty sure the bugs that negatively affect game play are far more important.

I wish that computer science was a required course in grade school.  The reason I gave up being a WAN manager and sought a job in a totally different field is because of things just like this.  People want to think that fixing their problems, issues or as in this case a minor annoyance of not being able to name something in the game is the most important thing that the developers can be doing.  The only communication Developers usually here are complaints, very seldom does anyone express the positive.

How about thanking the developers for fixing the issues, you know, something like "Thank you for all the hard work and effort, the constant updates that address bugs that affect game play and the new content"  and then perhaps politely ask if there are plans to do what it is you want to see in the game, you could say something like this "If it's not too much trouble, could you tell us if there are any plans to do (insert what you are inquiring about here) or any date that it is planned to add to the game?"

Or think of it like this, if you were a developer and working hard to provide new content, bug fixes for major issues, and someone messaged you as you have posted here, how would you feel?  Put yourself in their place, realize all the hard work that has been done to make the game stable and adding content, and then read your post.  If you are being honest, I think you might feel very differently about what you have stated.

Do people you don't know treat you as poorly at your own job?  Assuming you have one?

Way to assume my whole background. I already know all of this, I always put myself in other people's shoes (especially developers and creators), and I do know how programming works (even if I'm not a professional in the field). Obviously fixes will always have different priorities, and everyone will want a specific bug fixed. Guess what though? Sometimes things that are clearly high priority take too long to get fixed (see EXP exploit) simply because DE does not notice it. All I'm doing is giving this attention to make sure DE sees it, that's it.

Also, they're very aware we're all very thankful for their fixes. Just replying with "thanks for the fixes!" is simply a waste of space on here, we're instead being constructive by using this space to bring more issues or bugs to DE's attention. That doesn't mean we're not spreading positivity or spreading negativity. Still, if you see spreading positivity in a different way, you can go do it somewhere else.

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Wish there'd be a fix for gore in the near future, also I would love to see footprints in the snow, keep up the good work!

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First of all let me be clear I didn't used this exploit..didn't came to know about it until now. 

2nd yes the ban is valid and justifiable and I respect DE's decision.

3rd...I think if DE is planning to give a 2nd chance to players....this is now. Nope...don't lift the ban completely. Do suspend them but reduce the suspension time. At least reduce it for players who aren't extreme offenders and tried it out of curiosity only. 17 years is like telling these players to #*!% off. Players have learned their lesson I think and a decent but not outrageous suspension will do the job along with issue of an warning. You can use this time to do the damage control. I think increase in outrageous bans will result in snitch mentality among Warframe community which isn't good for surfacing further exploits.

But it is your decision to make not mine and I will respect your decision in the end DE. 

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12 hours ago, German said:

RIP to everyone who did that exp exploit.

Hope they didn't get a perm ban though, you let us PC players test and report bugs in your game (that's still in "Beta") for more than 5 years and just because they use a bug for their benefit you ban them instead of just reverting the exp gained. EULA violation or not, it's a bad move in my opinion.

If it's just a short temp ban it's fine though.

If they're testing, then why didnt they report it? exploiting to the degree of this is explicitly against tos.

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Wow i'm surprised to see just how many people here support "perma banning" players over an exploit. The only thing that deserves a perma ban (In any video game) is hacking. Taking advantage of an exploit isn't the player's fault but the developers fault. Instead of perma banning they should retract all experience gained on said weapons and warframes. Furthermore: Warframe needs to implement a low priority system (Similar to Dota 2) to punish people for misbehavior in game. This whole perma ban thing is just wrong on so many levels: Ethically, morally, etc. I'm rank 24 closing in on 25 and I enjoy this game more than anything. The idea that I could just lose everything in a snap over a misshapen is what's keeping me from fully enjoying this game. I can't just be myself in game, there's always worry. There's always a chance someone will get offended and report. Zeus forbid I lose 2 years of progress in a game I love so much over a misshapen. I barely use chat for this reason.

 

The least they could do is implement an in game penalty systems. Here's a few examples of that:

1- You pay debt in the form of resources, ideally credits.

2- You get forced to play 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month alone and away from party and friend ques. The only way for a day in this punishment to count is via completing the daily sortie, alone.

3- You get lumped in with a bunch of other misbehaved players away from the good ones, for a temporary time.

There's gotta be better ways to fix things. Not everything should merit a ban. The only thing that should is hacking, and I think we can all agree on that.

 

Edit: For those wondering, i'm not part of those who used the exploit (DE has all the logs). I'm simply speaking from a moral, ethical standpoint. The harsh punishment of getting perma banned creates an influx of unnecessary anxiety in game. It's getting harder and harder to enjoy the game because of it. Should we not be adventurist? Should we not say offensive things? I got news for you: Offense is what drives things forward. Pacifism is what keeps things be. This game is forcing you more and more to become a pacifist, which is ruining the fun.

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Il y a 13 heures, -TSA-Vendetta a dit :

how am i supposed to report it ? no ticket this doesnt work and forum often doesnt reach attention too and if it does it is as public as a video too so i dont see the issue 

Send a PM to the community inbox on the forums. 

That said the best way would probably still be to send a ticket to support. Not sure why you say that wouldn't work. 

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9 hours ago, Helch0rn said:

I went to the bug report section and looked up all bug reports that involved Khora

He did not.

Someone else reported it after seeing his video. This person even linked to N00blShowteks video

You can also report it via support tickets. In fact, with game breaking exploits like this, it's highly recommended you do so this way, so it doesn't get publicly known and exploited like this one did, even worse when it's promoted and detailed on how to exploit it with youtube videos.

 

57 minutes ago, Zodder said:

Wow i'm surprised to see just how many people here support "perma banning" players over an exploit. The only thing that deserves a perma ban (In any video game) is hacking. Taking advantage of an exploit isn't the player's fault but the developers fault. Instead of perma banning they should retract all experience gained on said weapons and warframes.

I agree permabanning can be seen as too harsh but don't forget, whether it's the player's or developers' fault, it's the intention behind it. This is not an exploit that you accidentally come accross, like I said several times now, you had to get out of your way to learn and produce it, it was completely intentional and the malicious intent of bypassing the game mechanics, no matter the reason behind it. No game code is perfect and bug-free, but it was not DE's intention to be it that way, and again, it was not a bug that would happen on its own while playing normally.
Saying it's not the players fault when the players themselves produced the exploit intentionally on something they know is not intended, is ridiculous. It's like saying stealing something from a shop that has a hole in a wall instead of legally buying it, is the shop owner's fault for not knowing it while the people get to keep stealing things until the wall is fixed while having the priviledge of being immune to the law.

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7 hours ago, MotedLTU said:

A. "exp" exploit if you wanna call it like that

B. it wasn't fixed since fortuna's launch that's not people mistakes

C.  If you really think this is the first game "exploit" that was ever in the game and players can benefit from it, I'm sorry but you're WRONG.

D. To me there is kinda three times players in every game: 1. Basic player, who plays by the rules from the game launch till this moment, does everything as it is (Have to feel bad for such player) where is fun in that tell me? 5 years same thing huh xD. 2. Player who player by the rules till here reaches point where you need to invent smth to make game fun again (Playing by the rules with the bugs).

E. Basically what I'm saying You could complete missions in 13+ min (Lor and Lor NM) instead of an hour since operator launched

F. Now let's talk about these days "exploit" there was in game where they got fixed and no one got banned for it thank god. First of all Wukong+throwing Zaw nuke

G. Banshee's 4th after rework was insanely good, where you can clear rooms in second without any energy basically, just have zenurik and you're good. Akkad credit farm + secura lectra before rework of secura it was the fastest way to get credits in the game,

I couldn't bothe to get further in your post, there were enough error in this.

A. it is by the very definition an exploit, not a "if you wanna call it like that" situation.

B. Not people's mistake that the bug is here. People's mistake to EXPLOIT it.

C. Yeah sure, not the first bug, nor the first to have been exploited. How is this a justification to exploit this one ? I don't like analogies but it's not because you rob once that now, you can rob everytime you want.

D. 1st type: i don't even....  why woul you feel bad for people playing as intented ??? 2nd type: your description doesn't make sense AT ALL. Those are people that play by the rules by not playing by the rule. What are you talking about? are you just a troll ?

E. Yeah so what, there were an exploit. cf C.

F. As a basic player, as a 9 yo kid, you look at the tooltip of the exodia (do damage), you use it and you do damage. You don't really know the numbers but you find it powerful. As far as you can tell, it's working as intended. It's the opposite of the khora exp exploit (getting in an odd position and call your pet a hundred time a sec, to get affinity for your weapon).

G. Working as intended, tooltips are exactly as it was performing. imbalanced it was, not buggy.

 

conclusion : your post doesn't make any sense

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14 hours ago, Voltage said:

Thank you for the hotfix!

I am guessing this was the Khora affinity exploit advertised on YouTube. I have witnessed bugs/exploits/abuse shown by partners in the past, but I still wonder why they keep their affiliation badge. This seems very similar to a certain topic looming on Reddit regarding the behavior of affiliated players.

I cant see the issue over all. If theres a bug or exploit, the player takes the risk in doing it, and by not being to heavy handed in punishing people, DE can at least hear about it swiftly.

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14 hours ago, [DE]Megan said:

Exploit Fixes:

  • We have fixed an exploit that could only be performed knowingly. Now that the issue is fixed, we will be reviewing our database for extreme offenders and issuing suspensions accordingly. 

Fixed? It's still possible to do it. Not that I'm going to ever do it (I don't want to get involved in a ban, Ι have the decency to respect the devs, you can rest assured that I'm not going to do it), or get into specifics how it's still possible, that's not my job.

I'm going to say what everybody is thinking in Warframe but doesn't have the nerve to say it:

You should be ashamed of banning people for your own inability to program certain things properly in a game (something that would not be tolerated let's say a decade ago in the video game industry) and expect that an EULA is above everything, that's false, malicious thinking and ultimately abuse of power.
Also you should consider thinking that your position does not give you immunity against critisism when you are obviously failing to do what should be a no brainer.
You have the perfect opportunity to learn after this mistake about the fact that bug fixing should always be the number one factor in a game and to not bring out content that is not ready for prime time publicly.

I hope my "tough love" message is not offending anybody because that's not my intention, but it's about time some things needed to be said.

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14 hours ago, kackiz said:

Harmless!? You call levelling up weapons at a lightning fast rate Harmless!? You're probably one of the offenders. Play legit and stop cheating, because that's what that is, and cheats on an online game are NOT fair play!

It's exploit, cheat implies third party tools.

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14 hours ago, Raven_1226 said:

People will always exploit bugs. Maybe instead of banning them, you should make sure that the bugs don't exist in the first place. 

Quality control on that level is basically impossible, but maybe they should start rewarding people who report such a big exploits. I don't think banning people for it is right, but it's the path DE has decided, so they do what they do.

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vor 58 Minuten schrieb Autongnosis:

Send a PM to the community inbox on the forums. 

That said the best way would probably still be to send a ticket to support. Not sure why you say that wouldn't work. 

because i did this several times and it didnt work 

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vor 36 Minuten schrieb Klimis:

Fixed? It's still possible to do it. Not that I'm going to ever do it (I don't want to get involved in a ban, Ι have the decency to respect the devs, you can rest assured that I'm not going to do it), or get into specifics how it's still possible, that's not my job.

I'm going to say what everybody is thinking in Warframe but doesn't have the nerve to say it:

You should be ashamed of banning people for your own inability to program certain things properly in a game (something that would not be tolerated let's say a decade ago in the video game industry) and expect that an EULA is above everything, that's false, malicious thinking and ultimately abuse of power.
Also you should consider thinking that your position does not give you immunity against critisism when you are obviously failing to do what should be a no brainer.
You have the perfect opportunity to learn after this mistake about the fact that bug fixing should always be the number one factor in a game and to not bring out content that is not ready for prime time publicly.

I hope my "tough love" message is not offending anybody because that's not my intention, but it's about time some things needed to be said.

Klimis for president 

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