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vor 11 Stunden schrieb Cyco_tK:

But DE probably did know, when INCREASING power strength slows enemies down, the logical response to DECREASING power strength would be to speed up enemies, it's the same using a rank 2 overextended and having a neutral nova.

nope they didnt thought of it, many many things in the game were not intentionaly because its hard to think of all the items that could synergize with new incoming stuff

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb Plaxed:

* Laugh in 2k35 *

you still didnt understand the fact, that i didnt use the exploit because i already had lvled everything ?

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb Vanille:

Just letting you know how ironic this is after every single post of yours in this thread. You're being explained, educated of how things work and you're ignoring everything completely biased on your own opinion that has nothing to do with each topic being discussed and trying to find a way to somehow justify whatever you're trying to argue about with people trying to "be right".

hm how am i different than you in this way just bending the words to fit the case while trying to "be right"

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vor 12 Stunden schrieb SupremeLeaderKyloRen:

You are still limited by the spawns and you don't get a mio xp in a minute that way.

and ? you dont get a million per minute with the khorra thing too especially considering the forma you need to spend and the time to lvl up khora every time 

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6 minutes ago, -TSA-Vendetta said:

and ? you dont get a million per minute with the khorra thing too especially considering the forma you need to spend and the time to lvl up khora every time 

With the unplanned speed nova, the mod is still working as the description : -60% strength. it was just not multiplicative but additive.

With the khora exploit, you spam an ability to revive venari that doesn't work because you are in an odd position and exploit it to gain something totally not affiliated with that : weapons affinity.

People who exploited this should be banned.

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb EREN_JAEGER_R:

This is one of the reasons that democracy, in my opinion, is flawed. 

What is Khora's ability? To spawn a Venari next to you. 

So when you use her ability to spawn Venari, but Venari doesn't spawn, do you think it's INTENTIONAL or how did call it "CLEVER GAME MECHANIC" or is it maybe truly a BUG? Rhetorical question btw.

 

its just a smart way of using a game mechanic (earning exp for every ability used) because he actually used his brain i know what a shame i think those kind of experiments are a main part of the game and they actually help the game growing because otherwise DE wouldnt find those in years so this exploit had such a little impact on the game itself and has the positive thing about it, that they can fix it now and thats how exploit fixing and finding worked for years someone found one published it and it got fixed after 2 days or so and noone got banned for it 

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vor 3 Minuten schrieb Bowbie:

With the unplanned speed nova, the mod is still working as the description : -60% strength. it was just not multiplicative but additive.

With the khora exploit, you spam an ability to revive venari that doesn't work because you are in an odd position and exploit it to gain something totally not affiliated with that : weapons affinity.

People who exploited this should be banned.

yes they know but no they shouldnt 

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15 hours ago, AIAS-5 said:

- When one squad member is done loading a mission and skips the mission intro cinematic before other players have the mission loaded, those might be stuck watching the cinematic without being able to skip it
- The objective waypoint marker sometimes lags behind after entering a new tile, or points to a tile further ahead than the current tile exit

These are the banes of my existence in Warframe 

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13 hours ago, -TSA-Vendetta said:

i agree with you, there are far worse things out there like leeching people in Hydron or ESO which hurts the whole squad and this is far more annoying than someone that spent actual forma and time on this lvling his stuff

But they basically must leech for full effect. That's just how affinity share works, sadly. You should know, if you have that much experience in the game.

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6 hours ago, Kraus0614 said:

Hmm, individuals found a bug and exploited it. Now they are getting suspended for it? Lets review what happened:

 

A. An exploit is found by a gaming community. The responsibility for said exploit lies with the developers.

B. They did not create the exploit/modify existing code. It can be performed by only using actions found in the game, no code injection/separate programs required.

C. The exploit is not harmful by any means.

D. Individuals are punished and held responsible for utilizing some faulty programming that, in reality, the development team should be accountable for.

 

That would be like someone giving you a [Zenith] but they get mad when you use the disc all the time and report you for it.

The issue is not finding the exploit. The issue is ABUSING the exploit. that responsibility lies with the account owner and they signed into it when making the agreement with DE.

Face it, common sense should have told anyone that this was a bad idea.

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7 minutes ago, Airwolfen said:

The issue is not finding the exploit. The issue is ABUSING the exploit. that responsibility lies with the account owner and they signed into it when making the agreement with DE.

Face it, common sense should have told anyone that this was a bad idea.

Very true, also the exploit is harmful, gives players an unfair advantage by lvling that fast, I'll stick to room nuking ESO

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1 hour ago, Vanille said:

You can also report it via support tickets. In fact, with game breaking exploits like this, it's highly recommended you do so this way, so it doesn't get publicly known and exploited like this one did, even worse when it's promoted and detailed on how to exploit it with youtube videos.

well yeah. didn't think about the zendesk.

however since he made a video, telling his viewers how to do this, I highly doubt he reported it.

I hope he won't get unbanned, just to make an example out of him.

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16 hours ago, Peter said:

For me is permaban to everyone, exploit abuse is violation of EULA.

Well, game is BETA, so we are technically not really breaking EULA as much as we are... testing things out... Some even 'tad' too thoroughly :P

It wasn't really an exploit that made "oh-ma-gawd" huge difference. Instead of 15 minutes to level up your stuff, you did it in 1. Maybe faster and all, but you skipped on any rewards, so it had its downsides.

Temp ban, maybe exp rollback for exploiters. But permaban.. Just don't.

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In the last week I've spawned outside the map borders 3 times.  I've watched countless Corpus units be suspended in mid-air after spawning.  I've been forced out of bounds by Corpus units spamming Vauban style bounce grenades.  I've been insta-killed by enemies despite being at full health and having a shielding ability active (yes, accounting for AOE didn't allow an insta-kill).  I've also experienced Moas get no shared xp, which was patched out without so much as a booster being given to make-up for the loss.

 

With all the bugs above, it's too bad for the end user.  I can spend years asking for frame reworks and balances, or directly cite issues which have had acknowledgement and no apparent moves towards a fix.  Despite this, there's one xp gain bug.  Said bug requires either money spent on Khora, or the grind through sanctuary onslaught.  It then requires a forma to level the frame.  Finally, you had to find a spawn point where artificial rules allowed you to stand somewhere, but because of how the kavat spawns it could not.

 

Maybe DE could acknowledge a bug, fix it, and instead of swinging the ban hammer be human.  If you can identify who did this, you have server logs for Orb Vallis, you have anti-cheat, and you want to punish people who are bug fixing your BETA game by using broken systems you'd reset their progress.  No harm, no foul, and earned respect for treating customers fairly.  Alternatively, swing the ban hammer.  Watch as die-hards create new accounts, and less invested users simply leave.  This, in my opinion, is developers not talking to the community and penalizing ahead of fixing.

 

 

I'm back to an odd place.  Bugs from 4 years ago and older aren't being patched properly.  New content is now locked behind a 300+ day wait, that didn't acknowledge almost two years of the login rewards peaking at a blueprint for the standard gorgon (because it was retired from the game Snipetron style).  Each new content bump is held behind more immense grind walls tied to new factions, who are ignored once you've got their stuff because the grind isn't fun.  The player base keeps expanding....because the game is on more devices.  Those on PC are testers, getting new features in advance of consoles because console certification doesn't allow such half baked features to pass their certification process.  All the while the community is expanding without any means to provide feedback, as the deluge of said feedback to DE would negate its value.  The only content seemingly directly addressed is bugs that make progression too easy, or direct questions from partners who are acting as a filter.

 

Being frank, the Sigma and Octantis, Zenith, and Lodestar cosmetics are looking pretty expensive to me.  The kind of expensive that isn't worth the frustration, and would facilitate a year without Warframe.  More accurately, another year, as an 18 month hiatus already was a good idea.  Maybe by then Railjack will be at 40%, and there will be something in Fortuna beyond Floofs.  It galls me to say this, but the rest of my steam library looks to be fun.  The kind of fun Warframe used to be.  The kind it should still be.  Unfortunately, the fun rapidly disappearing behind projects vast in ambition without proper execution.  

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2 minutes ago, masterofdetiny said:

...and you want to punish people who are bug fixing your BETA game by using broken systems you'd reset their progress.

to be fair, unless they report the bug, they're not actually fixing anything.

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There are a couple of bugs i have noticed as of late: fortuna and plains, if host migrates, some fish might still appear but are not catchable. The other being bait and other consumables for fishing sometimes falling through the map.

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we can all speculate and point fingers and rejoice in the actions taken, but the problem still exists and the step to the solution may be a temporary one. bottom line is DE no matter how small their studio is or team, there should be a quality control group of testers for every hotfix and update they make BEFORE it goes out to the public<< it's called being "professional"

this is why Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo stresses these company to have their work done properly to get it through certification before it is put out to the public. sloppy work doesn't cut it and here on pc its the wild wild west, throw it on the wall till it's stuck.  and when they are "exposed" they ban..

 

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1 hour ago, masterofdetiny said:

In the last week I've spawned outside the map borders 3 times.  I've watched countless Corpus units be suspended in mid-air after spawning.  I've been forced out of bounds by Corpus units spamming Vauban style bounce grenades.  I've been insta-killed by enemies despite being at full health and having a shielding ability active (yes, accounting for AOE didn't allow an insta-kill).  I've also experienced Moas get no shared xp, which was patched out without so much as a booster being given to make-up for the loss.

 

With all the bugs above, it's too bad for the end user.  I can spend years asking for frame reworks and balances, or directly cite issues which have had acknowledgement and no apparent moves towards a fix.  Despite this, there's one xp gain bug.  Said bug requires either money spent on Khora, or the grind through sanctuary onslaught.  It then requires a forma to level the frame.  Finally, you had to find a spawn point where artificial rules allowed you to stand somewhere, but because of how the kavat spawns it could not.

 

Maybe DE could acknowledge a bug, fix it, and instead of swinging the ban hammer be human.  If you can identify who did this, you have server logs for Orb Vallis, you have anti-cheat, and you want to punish people who are bug fixing your BETA game by using broken systems you'd reset their progress.  No harm, no foul, and earned respect for treating customers fairly.  Alternatively, swing the ban hammer.  Watch as die-hards create new accounts, and less invested users simply leave.  This, in my opinion, is developers not talking to the community and penalizing ahead of fixing.

 

 

I'm back to an odd place.  Bugs from 4 years ago and older aren't being patched properly.  New content is now locked behind a 300+ day wait, that didn't acknowledge almost two years of the login rewards peaking at a blueprint for the standard gorgon (because it was retired from the game Snipetron style).  Each new content bump is held behind more immense grind walls tied to new factions, who are ignored once you've got their stuff because the grind isn't fun.  The player base keeps expanding....because the game is on more devices.  Those on PC are testers, getting new features in advance of consoles because console certification doesn't allow such half baked features to pass their certification process.  All the while the community is expanding without any means to provide feedback, as the deluge of said feedback to DE would negate its value.  The only content seemingly directly addressed is bugs that make progression too easy, or direct questions from partners who are acting as a filter.

 

Being frank, the Sigma and Octantis, Zenith, and Lodestar cosmetics are looking pretty expensive to me.  The kind of expensive that isn't worth the frustration, and would facilitate a year without Warframe.  More accurately, another year, as an 18 month hiatus already was a good idea.  Maybe by then Railjack will be at 40%, and there will be something in Fortuna beyond Floofs.  It galls me to say this, but the rest of my steam library looks to be fun.  The kind of fun Warframe used to be.  The kind it should still be.  Unfortunately, the fun rapidly disappearing behind projects vast in ambition without proper execution.  

To be honest with you. The idea of reseting the progress made by those bug exploits should have been a thing a long time ago.

Being brought back to the state before the exploit as been done is way better thant just straight up ban. Adding warning points to the account would be a good thing because currently you dont know if you will get banned or not. For some tenno its a huge investment in multiple ways. 

First Tenno will be like well lesson learned i will protect the time invested by not doing it again.

Second all other tenno will see that its not the all mighty ban hammer and will learn more about the bug exploit being futile ( because of the rollback) 

If the ban way is selected well its the oposite

First the banned tenno will scream on every platform that they got banned for what they did and those once preacher of warframe now spread hate about it

Second its placing the tenno in an enviroment of fear instead of trust.

Third yeah some tenno will be happy about it but honestly maybe some other way may be better.

Fourth you just lose source of income because some of them were buying stuff.

Its basicly some PR stuff that need to be done right ^.^ 

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1 minute ago, ranks21 said:

this is why Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo stresses these company to have their work done properly to get it through certification before it is put out to the public. sloppy work doesn't cut it and here on pc its the wild wild west, throw it on the wall till it's stuck.  and when they are "exposed" they ban..

the presence of a bug is not the authorization to exploit it. The bug is not stopping you from playing, and you HAVE TO want to exploit it.

Also, even sony microsoft and nintendo wouldn't stop a game with this bug to get published.

That doesn't mean you can exploit any bug willingly. 

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3 minutes ago, Bowbie said:

the presence of a bug is not the authorization to exploit it. The bug is not stopping you from playing, and you HAVE TO want to exploit it.

Also, even sony microsoft and nintendo wouldn't stop a game with this bug to get published.

That doesn't mean you can exploit any bug willingly. 

here's the counter to your silliness, put a kid in a candy store and leave the candy unattended what do you think the kid will do in time?

You can even go as far as to say they intentionally baited that player. sounds extreme right? like I said they need to preoperly test thir builds before putting it out in the public

 

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1 minute ago, ranks21 said:

here's the counter to your silliness, put a kid in a candy store and leave the candy unattended what do you think the kid will do in time?

he won't take it because he's well educated and not an entilted brat ? Or at least he will take it and feel bad and suppose he will get caught and get punished.

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7 minutes ago, Bowbie said:

the presence of a bug is not the authorization to exploit it. The bug is not stopping you from playing, and you HAVE TO want to exploit it.

Also, even sony microsoft and nintendo wouldn't stop a game with this bug to get published.

That doesn't mean you can exploit any bug willingly. 

3 minutes ago, Bowbie said:

he won't take it because he's well educated and not an entilted brat ? Or at least he will take it and feel bad and suppose he will get caught and get punished.

I'd say these are reasonable arguments

 

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