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We all here, despite opinions on the certain matter, have made it possible for them (DE and other companies) to put quality, quanity, bug fixing and community relations the least important part of an MMO game. (You ALL know what I'm talking about)
We are all divided, making unreasonable comments and everything, fighting for everything, when we should be all united because we have much more in common than what we admit to have.
DE, and all of the rest companies are always going to be a certain way depending on the current market situation, can't we atleast be united? We all have the same goal anyway and that's enjoying a game.
Your closest allies in this forum, are the rest people that play this game, so don't go againt them, try to find a common ground with them, otherwise we are all going to hell, together with DE.
I'm not here to fight anybody, DE included, but things have to change, can't we make the first step?
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What i think is that we srsly need a better place to level stuff and don't even dare say Hydron/ESO since most players are sick and tired of both.

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3 minutes ago, Klimis said:

We all here, despite opinions on the certain matter, have made it possible for them (DE and other companies) to put quality, quanity, bug fixing and community relations the least important part of an MMO game. (You ALL know what I'm talking about)
We are all divided, making unreasonable comments and everything, fighting for everything, when we should be all united because we have much more in common than what we admit to have.
DE, and all of the rest companies are always going to be a certain way depending on the current market situation, can't we atleast be united? We all have the same goal anyway and that's enjoying a game.
Your closest allies in this forum, are the rest people that play this game, so don't go againt them, try to find a common ground with them, otherwise we are all going to hell, together with DE.
I'm not here to fight anybody, DE included, but things have to change, can't we make the first step?
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Nicely said m8 and the perma bans will only divide the community even more and will create unnecessary drama.

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And so everybody knows, my original post (and the people quoting) that alot of you have commented on, has been removed by DE.
It shows exactly what kind of people they are and what their intentions are.
Ofcourse this is going to be treated on a typical manner like "me doing something wrong" or "using false language" or "it was removed automatically".
Unfortunately for them, or anybody that may have reported it, I make screeshots of every single thing I post here and I can repost them outside for anyone to see.

Stop censoring people, it will not work on your favor.

Also it's of everybody's best interest to start screenshooting the discussions over here.

I would not be surprised if the thread gets locked, my posts and many more get removed, or even some of us getting banned.

From my side, I will let it slide for the moment, but only if it's proven to be the catalyst of a turning point for some things.
If by the next Dev Stream I see no intentions to change the current situations, from that point I'll be taking different approach to similat matters and I cannot guarantee that it will involve respect and proper dialog, something that we are all doing here.

I also want to sincerely share that I am genuinely hurt and dissapointed.
This is not a good day for any of us.

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hace 12 minutos, Klimis dijo:

And so everybody knows, my original post (and the people quoting) that alot of you have commented on, has been removed by DE.
It shows exactly what kind of people they are and what their intentions are.
Ofcourse this is going to be treated on a typical manner like "me doing something wrong" or "using false language" or "it was removed automatically".
Unfortunately for them, or anybody that may have reported it, I make screeshots of every single thing I post here and I can repost them outside for anyone to see.

Stop censoring people, it will not work on your favor.

Also it's of everybody's best interest to start screenshooting the discussions over here.

I would not be surprised if the thread gets locked, my posts and many more get removed, or even some of us getting banned.

From my side, I will let it slide for the moment, but only if it's proven to be the catalyst of a turning point for some things.
If by the next Dev Stream I see no intentions to change the current situations, I'll take a different approach to the matter and I cannot guarantee it will involve respect and proper dialog, something that we are all doing here.

Calm down, you will only get banned by break the rules, what is a complete nonsense. I understand you, so thats why i say that you prefere to stay here and keep telling the truth (at least your truth) instead of getting banned and close all your opportunities to contribute for a change in the game, right? Just calm down. The message is pretty clear.

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Please look into optimizing Orb vallis better, it is still a flaming pile of trash and just now cost me a bounty for host migration out of nowhere.

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4 minutes ago, XzWasPzX said:

Calm down, you will only get banned by break the rules, what is a complete nonsense. I understand you, so thats why i say that you prefere to stay here and keep telling the truth (at least your truth) instead of getting banned and close all your opportunities to contribute for a change in the game, right? Just calm down. The message is pretty clear.

I am calm but we are being silenced!

As I said in my previous post, I am hurt, really hurt and really dissapointed.
All my words come out of these feelings, I mean no harm to anybody.


All of my posts contain constructive critisism and they involve words that parents give to their children when they give them tough love.
I mean no harm or offense to anybody.
But DE and everybody in the forum, this is our intervention.
Things need to change, drasticaly.

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Ever since the update from the last Plague Star event, oculyst scanner sentients have not been spawning properly on Plato, Lua.  This has been brought up many many times and completely ignored still.  It'd be great if someone could take a look into that as newer players who need the sentient kills for the relay, and people who are looking for vengeful revenant/war blade/war hilt are finding one oculyst spawn every 10-15 runs.

And as for this whole Khora bug exploit, I feel this whole thing is blown out of proportion.  For everyone calling it harmful, let's do the math.  The video claimed it was possible to level a weapon from 0 to 30 with an affinity booster in 30 seconds (not including the time spent loading in and out of Orb Vallis, formaing, etc).  With an affinity booster, leveling someone's entire set (primary/secondary/melee) takes 3, read THREE zones, (4 if you have an EXTREMELY bad tileset/infested).  If you're only leveling one weapon, it's 1 zone unless the first zone is terrible, in which case, 2.  Each zone in ESO is 2 minutes and 30 seconds.  3 zones would be 7 minutes and 30 seconds.  So the "unfair advantage" gained by the Khora bug exploiters (and I hesitate to call it a bug since it seems more like bad design honestly) is anywhere from 2 minutes to 7 minutes saved (with affinity booster and no smeeta double affinity cat buff for all cases including the Khora exploitation) per weapon set.

Now, let's define harmful.  To me, harmful (in terms of this game) is either something that affects the game's economy in a drastic way (E.g. duping mods/plat/prime parts), or something that affects the server stability (E.g. causing the server/people's games to crash).  2 to 7 minutes of time saved is not exactly harmful in my opinion.  Nobody gained an unfair advantage in terms of MR ranks with this exploit.  Why?  Because those weapons needed to be obtained normally anyways; The exploit didn't magically create built weapons they didn't already own out of thin air.  They still needed to obtain the blueprint/parts/money/resources/time required for the built weapon for the MR.

That said, I AM of the opinion of punishing the people who did exploit this.  I am NOT of the opinion that they deserve a 2035 ban though.  A more appropriate punishment would be something like removing Khora and any weapons leveled in this manner + any MR associated with Khora and said weapons, and maybe a day's ban per weapon leveled this way (including releveling due to forma-ing a weapon).  That way, the more they abused it, the harsher the punishment.  And they'd either have to spend plat to buy Khora again or farm her again through SO.  A 2035 ban seems extremely drastic for an exploit that's relatively harmless.  That's like giving someone, who didn't refill the parking meter in time, the death penalty instead of a parking ticket.

TL:DR

Please fix the Lua sentient spawning issue.

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9 hours ago, -TSA-Vendetta said:

nope they didnt thought of it, many many things in the game were not intentionaly because its hard to think of all the items that could synergize with new incoming stuff

read what i put, seriously, it's logical that increasing strength slows things down, then the opposite will speed them up, if you think DE didn't already think of that, then you are so naive

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7 hours ago, ranks21 said:

here's the counter to your silliness, put a kid in a candy store and leave the candy unattended what do you think the kid will do in time?

You can even go as far as to say they intentionally baited that player. sounds extreme right? like I said they need to preoperly test thir builds before putting it out in the public

 

it is impossible for them to fully test their build before putting it out to the public, don't you understand that?

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7 hours ago, EREN_JAEGER_R said:

To use an ability to spawn a Venari that DOES NOT spawn is called a glitch. It's an error in the code, you know it, I know it, everyone knows it. 

There's absolutely nothing wrong in finding bugs/glitches in the game and report it to the devs so it can be fixed. 

But once you make use of these glitches it's an exploit. You're using the glitch to gain personal advantage. 

And tell yourself all the stories you need about the "Partner" publishing it on social medias. For your information, a Partner does have the capacity to reach out to DE and report a glitch of this scale without notifying the community about it. What happened was he realized the potential of this glitch to benefit him economically and that's the sole reason it played out the way it did. The rest is history. 

Kudos to DE for handling this situation in a professional manner. 

FINALLY someone who understands how the "partner" program works!

he showed it on YouTube to get likes & subs, not to get it fixed

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Glad I was already MR 26 when I saw that exploit. If Elite Onslaught didn't exist I might have tried it out. 

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vor 44 Minuten schrieb Cyco_tK:

read what i put, seriously, it's logical that increasing strength slows things down, then the opposite will speed them up, if you think DE didn't already think of that, then you are so naive

they even said it in a interview so say what you want im 100% sure i know more about the warframe history then you because i was there and you dont 

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9 hours ago, DeckChairVonBananaCamel said:

to be fair, unless they report the bug, they're not actually fixing anything.

I pay to play this game.  A QA tester is paid to check for bugs.  

Being blunt, QA at DE is likely either a joke or one of the most stressful positions.  I am not sure which, but the end result is a consistently buggy mess that is Fallout 3 levels of bad.  The good will for this being free to play is...supporting the indefensible.  

 

If I were so inclined as to be generous, I'd ask why the other bugs I've reported in the past have not been addressed.  It took nearly a week to fix archwing upon launch, three years to address optimizations (looking at all those Switch port fixes), and spawning outside the level hasn't been fixed period.  The bug that removes huge amounts of grind is fixed with a ban hammer swing to boot.  It seems less than logically consistent to have both these responses from DE.  I'll repeat this again, as I said years ago.  This level of cognitive dissonance is why I left EA and Origin, and it's a trap I hope DE doesn't wander into again (O.G. Mesa power leveling and the nerf there was...still felt today).

 

If DE offered a bounty for bugs, paid for in platinum, at a reasonable rate (just spit balling, 0 for aesthetic, 5-10 for game breakers, 10-20 for exploits) I'd buy that they are paying us to test.  As it stands, eating a ban for using an exploit (that could presumably be reversed if it could be identified) seems like disposing of an ant hill with a nuclear bomb.

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I'm crashing right at login. It lets me log in, goes to inbox and instantly shuts off. Is this because of hotfix??

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2 hours ago, unc00l said:

That's like giving someone, who didn't refill the parking meter in time, the death penalty instead of a parking ticket. 

No, its not the same, but should to refil parking meter in time or at least dont exploit parking meter if u find a way to do that, no cuz is harmless, is cuz is against the rules, same here.
Is out proportion because a great player of our community was ban, and it leads to his followers to the same fate.

In my opinion Exploits are grey area in any videogames, and u shouldn't do it, just in case.

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4 hours ago, Kraus0614 said:

Does the public develop the game for Digital Extremes? It is solely their fault for allowing this kind of glitch to occur.

Those who use the glitch to their advantage did just that, used it to their advantage. This is a TEAM based game where a team can only benefit from someone with high level gear. This glitch when exploited can by no means be "harmful". In fact, it was probably one of the most beneficial to all when used excessively.

For all those people who think that users of this glitch are wrong, take a second to think about it. This was probably one of the most effective bug reports recently, due to the immediate, however harsh, staff response and patch.

I myself have never used this bug, as I enjoy the teamwork that leveling low gear inspires, but those who have are not the degenerate scum everyone makes them out to be. XD

It's not a glitch, it's an exploit. By that definition it's something that was available in game and anyone can do. Only those who used it excessively are being suspended.

Secondly, this is not solely a team based game; you can also play Solo. I agree the exploit isn't harmful to the community, but DE must have seen it harmful to their monetization of affinity boosters. This is also why exploits to get the fastest dojo obstacle times and exploits for infinite movement speed, power strength, damage were not punished.

Yeah this is a harsh response DE chose to take. The fact we play a game where law is left to their discretion, we simply must be okay with being banned for no reason. I chose to use the exploit, because I would otherwise not be playing Warframe anyways, there's no content or anything left to do.

I think it's better to invest in other games as a result of "first comes the bullet, then comes the warning"

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5 minutes ago, -BigB0ss- said:

No, its not the same, but should to refil parking meter in time or at least dont exploit parking meter if u find a way to do that, no cuz is harmless, is cuz is against the rules, Same here.
is out proportion because a great player of our community was ban, and it leads to his followers to the same fate.

In my opinion Exploits are grey area in any videogames, and u shouldn't do it, just in case.

It's like you didn't even read what I wrote at all.  That analogy wasn't about whether they should be punished or not, it was about the SEVERITY.

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Just now, unc00l said:

It's like you didn't even read what I wrote at all.  That analogy wasn't about whether they should be punished or not, it was about the SEVERITY.

I read it several times, but death penalty analogy, doesnt see right to me.
Severity, maybe, but now on the community know u shouldnt exploit warframe.

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DE, you really should rethink your priorities. Stop throwing new stuff into the game and fix the entire game first. This could avoid more situations like this.

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I have encountered this twitch recently, but during two different defense missions my Warframe froze up during a jump attack. It was with two different Warframe too. I couldn’t use any abilities or move, but I could still rotate the camera. Has this happened to anyone else?

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41 minutes ago, masterofdetiny said:

I pay to play this game.  A QA tester is paid to check for bugs.  

how many multiplayer games do you play where, if you abuse an exploit to the extreme, you don't get repercussions?

Besides, the minute an update goes live, the players have playtested it for hundreds, if not thousands of times more man-hours than a QA team can. It is simply the nature of all games, even the big ones.
Lets say you have a huge release coming up, and your QA team of 150 people each have 400 hours of testing put in. That is, collectively, 60,000 man-hours of testing spread out over the entire game.
Then let's say your game has 500,000 players at launch (a figure that AAA publishers would likely deem "below expectations") within the first hour you have 500,000 man-hours of testing focused on the very beginning of the game.

42 minutes ago, masterofdetiny said:

If I were so inclined as to be generous, I'd ask why the other bugs I've reported in the past have not been addressed.  It took nearly a week to fix archwing upon launch, three years to address optimizations (looking at all those Switch port fixes), and spawning outside the level hasn't been fixed period.  The bug that removes huge amounts of grind is fixed with a ban hammer swing to boot.  It seems less than logically consistent to have both these responses from DE.  I'll repeat this again, as I said years ago.  This level of cognitive dissonance is why I left EA and Origin, and it's a trap I hope DE doesn't wander into again (O.G. Mesa power leveling and the nerf there was...still felt today).

if you were generous, you would demand reasons why various bugs you have reported haven't been fixed yet? what?
And did you leave EA and Origin because YOU were feeling cognitive dissonance? or because they were feeling it? how did you know they were feeling it? i mean, to me, i think that EA is enough of a soulless machine that they wouldn't have any negative feelings about the S#&$ they were pulling.

As for these bugs you were reporting:

  1. My turbulent zephyr gets killed by Corpus Embattors:
    • given the fact that the corpus embattor does not use normal projectiles and instead relies on aoe attacks, im not surprised your zephyr is being destroyed by them.
    • Suggestion: Post in the feedback section and suggest that the bounce mines disappear after the first bounce or can destroyed by shooting them. Also that the large blue circle that appears to show where their mortars are going to land be a little more visible, as blue-on-blue can be hard to see in an effect-heavy game like this. (especially for colourblind people). This is because as far as i can tell, this is not a bug, but a balancing issue.
  2. Enemies floating in the air
    • I'm going to just go ahead and assume, based on the vague description you provide, that you mean enemies not falling from dropships? The key problem here is that it is a vague description of events. It is very hard to nail a bug down when the only information you have is that "it happens" and "looks silly".
    • Suggestion: next time it happens, make note of everything. Are you in a squad, or solo? Are you the host? What is your ping? What type of dropship does it happen on? Is there anyone in the squad who might have an ability that could interrupt the "jump from the ship" script (like molecular prime, or radial blind)?
  3. Mining shows item mined, not quantity & goopla sizes wonky
    • Legitimately good bug reports, good job
    • Suggestion: even better if you can nab screenshots though
  4. Brightness seems to not work, pitch black interiors on fortuna.
    • Suggestion: also make sure to note all the settings that may be affecting it; does it still occur with adaptive exposure turned on/off, for instance? Is your game in windowed/borderless mode. Worst-case scenario, make note of your hardware, there may be an issue between warframe and your graphics card and without that info DE will struggle to find the cause. Also screenshots.
  5. Can't random group join a sortie, dumps in dojo.
    • Interesting bug, did it still say you were in the squad? Was it your own dojo or the host's? Did you get in contact with the host to see if they initiated the sortie from the dojo?
  6. Rivens suddenly cant be unveiled.
    • Suggestion: tell us what the riven challenge actually is.
  7. K-drives scores not translating directly to standing gain.
    • I'm pretty sure it is just a percentage of your score that translates to standing. Also if you collide with something (or bounce along rough terrain) immediately after landing, it counts the trick as failed, i find it beneficial to immediately jump again and do a little trick to cement the previous score in place.
  8. Twitch is a joke.
    • yes, yes it is. lol

I hope this has helped! Generally speaking though, the more information you can give the better the chance of DE being able to figure out what is actually causing the bug.

 

42 minutes ago, masterofdetiny said:

If DE offered a bounty for bugs, paid for in platinum, at a reasonable rate (just spit balling, 0 for aesthetic, 5-10 for game breakers, 10-20 for exploits) I'd buy that they are paying us to test.  As it stands, eating a ban for using an exploit (that could presumably be reversed if it could be identified) seems like disposing of an ant hill with a nuclear bomb.

the "bounty for bugs" is a pretty neat idea, and it would certainly motivate me to finally get around to reporting my backlog of cataloged bugs.
But this "I'd buy that they are paying us to test" comment is a bit unnecessary, and actually implies that you were under the impression they were promising to pay us in the first place?
As it stands, suspending players for abusing an exploit to severely undermine the core progression systems of the game, giving them an unearned legup, seems like pretty standard practice for the industry TBH.

 

This is long and i dont have the time to proof-read it, so please excuse any errors

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Can you fix the physics of the Operator Smelter Apparel so that the operator's leg no longer clips through?

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