Consistency in Patchnotes

[Drachnyn]

So there are 2 things that, while they dont ruin the game, are extremely frustrating:

Hunting Nerf: With the last patches we got the change that capturing animals with abilities (like Ivara sleep arrow) got changed so it doesnt let you get perfect captures anymore. This is a very bad change especially since we had a patch earlier that was specifically about letting us use warframe abilities to capture animals. This change doesnt make any sense together with the old one. Too much fun was had I guess.

Staticor: This one is extremely tilting. Staticor was buffed about 2 months ago, which was listed in the patchnotes. Today it get's called an unintended change which is just not true. We know this is not true because: a) it was in the patchnotes, b) there was silence on it "being a bug" from DE the whole time and c) the forum was full with it. There is no way the staticor range increase was done by accident and not noticed until now. If you want to nerf it atleast be honest about it. We also have Steve on stream saying he think self damage is a dumb thing and yet we got that on the charged shot.

Edited December 18, 2018 by Drachnyn

[Tsukinoki]

27 minutes ago, Drachnyn said:

Hunting Nerf: With the last patches we got the change that capturing animals with abilities (like Ivara sleep arrow) got changed so it doesnt let you get perfect captures anymore. This is a very bad change especially since we had a patch earlier that was specifically about letting us use warframe abilities to capture animals. This change doesnt make any sense together with the old one. Too much fun was had I guess.

I saw this coming.
Abilities make it too easy to get perfects compared to not using them.  It seems a fair balance point to limit captures to "Good" if you use abilities and have a chance of "Perfect" if you only use the Tranq rifle.
After all with abilities its easier, and faster, to capture things.

27 minutes ago, Drachnyn said:

Staticor: This one is extremely tilting. Staticor was buffed about 2 months ago, which was listed in the patchnotes. Today it get's called an unintended change which is just not true. We know this is not true because: a) it was in the patchnotes, b) there was silence on it "being a bug" from DE the whole time and c) the forum was full with it. There is no way the staticor range increase was done by accident and not noticed until now. If you want to nerf it atleast be honest about it. We also have Steve on stream saying he think self damage is a dumb thing and yet we got that on the charged shot.

Oh yes it was buffed....for its charged shot only.
The "Fast fire" was never supposed to go from 2m to 8m.
That was the unintended change which has been reverted.

In fact the 23.10 patch notes where it was buffed reads:

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Increased Staticor's charged shot AoE size from 2m to 8m and is no longer affected by charge level.

Emphasis above is mine.
Please tell me where that is supposed to mean that its non-charged/"fast fire" AoE was also supposed to be buffed to 8m?

Edited December 18, 2018 by Tsukinoki

[Drachnyn]

vor 32 Minuten schrieb Tsukinoki:

Abilities make it too easy to get perfects compared to not using them. 

This is already kept in check by the daily limit. And the Tranqrifle is hilariously bad. So before nerfing the good and fun way maybe make the other way better instead.

 

vor 32 Minuten schrieb Tsukinoki:

Please tell me where that is supposed to mean that its non-charged/"fast fire" AoE was also supposed to be buffed to 8m?

First of all it says "is no longer affected by charge level". Charging is not an alt fire, it is the same button. By that logic firing and immediatly releasing is a degree of the charged shot. 

Second of all we had radio silence on it for 2 whole months while it was on of the most talked about changes from that hotfix. You cant honestly tell me that "bug" remained unnoticed by DE until now. This was a nerf and should be called as such. This excuse about it being a bug is BS. Because after 2 months and it being in the patchnotes one can reasonably assume it's not bug and invest forma in it. Or atleast we should be.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

Hey they buffed simulor tho. So we’re trading one AOE death machine in for another.

[peterc3]

3 hours ago, Drachnyn said:

Hunting Nerf: With the last patches we got the change that capturing animals with abilities (like Ivara sleep arrow) got changed so it doesnt let you get perfect captures anymore. This is a very bad change especially since we had a patch earlier that was specifically about letting us use warframe abilities to capture animals. This change doesnt make any sense together with the old one. Too much fun was had I guess.

The constant need to whine that something that was clearly outside the spirit of the mechanic was brought into line is always fun to watch. Making one frame the ideal/overwhelmingly best thing to do a piece of side content is terrible design and they corrected it. "Too much fun" is the cry of someone who knows they were getting something for less than was intended.

3 hours ago, Drachnyn said:

Staticor: This one is extremely tilting. Staticor was buffed about 2 months ago, which was listed in the patchnotes. Today it get's called an unintended change which is just not true. We know this is not true because: a) it was in the patchnotes, b) there was silence on it "being a bug" from DE the whole time and c) the forum was full with it. There is no way the staticor range increase was done by accident and not noticed until now. If you want to nerf it atleast be honest about it. We also have Steve on stream saying he think self damage is a dumb thing and yet we got that on the charged shot.

The patch notes contain what is changed. Things can be changed without intending them to be a certain way. It being listed in the patch notes does not preclude it being unintended. The other choice was to nerf the damage on the charged shot, would you have rather that happened?

[Drachnyn]

vor einer Stunde schrieb peterc3:

Making one frame the ideal/overwhelmingly best thing to do a piece of side content is terrible design and they corrected it.

 

vor einer Stunde schrieb peterc3:

It being listed in the patch notes does not preclude it being unintended.

These two sentences are just objectivly wrong.

[Genesix6]

On 2018-12-19 at 3:26 AM, Drachnyn said:

So there are 2 things that, while they dont ruin the game, are extremely frustrating:

Hunting Nerf: With the last patches we got the change that capturing animals with abilities (like Ivara sleep arrow) got changed so it doesnt let you get perfect captures anymore. This is a very bad change especially since we had a patch earlier that was specifically about letting us use warframe abilities to capture animals. This change doesnt make any sense together with the old one. Too much fun was had I guess.

Staticor: This one is extremely tilting. Staticor was buffed about 2 months ago, which was listed in the patchnotes. Today it get's called an unintended change which is just not true. We know this is not true because: a) it was in the patchnotes, b) there was silence on it "being a bug" from DE the whole time and c) the forum was full with it. There is no way the staticor range increase was done by accident and not noticed until now. If you want to nerf it atleast be honest about it. We also have Steve on stream saying he think self damage is a dumb thing and yet we got that on the charged shot.

No no no no no no, they didn't do that right? Ivara is a Hunter frame and hunting suits her

Why did you have to that DE

 

[MasterBurik]

12 minutes ago, Genesix6 said:

No no no no no no, they didn't do that right? Ivara is a Hunter frame and hunting suits her

Why did you have to that DE

 

Conservation Changes:

• Ivara’s Sleep Arrow now grants a ‘Perfect Capture’ if the shot is a direct hit. The farther off your shot the more distressed the animal gets.