Samurai warframe?

[ChaoticEdge]

7 hours ago, (XB1)ShadowBlood89 said:

huh guess you dont count Excalibur for a samurai warframe

he is consider as a knight to the people and if he had skin texture of a samurai then yes ppl will buy that skin for excal to be the samurai ppl dream of.  Then again no one like his 1 that much and barely I see players use that abilities so I can't blame them for such or either ppl will argue that he isn't a samurai because samurai is honorable and don't flash ppl's eye or use javelin to spam kill everything. Plus the way of the samurai...well here is a book and if excal doesn't fit the way samurai welp not my fault

https://acelebrationofwomen.org/2017/03/the-bushido-code-the-eight-virtues-of-the-samurai/

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Edited January 3, 2019 by ChaoticEdge

[SgtHotPepper]

Il y a 11 heures, ChaoticEdge a dit :

he is consider as a knight to the people and if he had skin texture of a samurai then yes ppl will buy that skin for excal to be the samurai ppl dream of.  Then again no one like his 1 that much and barely I see players use that abilities so I can't blame them for such or either ppl will argue that he isn't a samurai because samurai is honorable and don't flash ppl's eye or use javelin to spam kill everything. Plus the way of the samurai...well here is a book and if excal doesn't fit the way samurai welp not my fault

https://acelebrationofwomen.org/2017/03/the-bushido-code-the-eight-virtues-of-the-samurai/

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" The unwritten Samurai code of conduct ..." is the first sentence of your link.

So first and above all samurai must be loyal to his daimyo, the others "rules" are just guidlines.

The honor rules was for pairs and higher rank, the attitude about commoners was more "flexible" and greatly depend of the daimyo ruling the area.

(Even if the ressource wasting commoner killing are rarely tolerated without good reason).

 

A samurai full armored charging on horse some peasant soldiers are not truly "fair" but im sure this happen often during wars.

Samurai are honorable but also professionnal warriors not loyal stupid DD Paladin caricature.😉

 

So Excalibur being loyal to Lotus (cough... cough... the evil space mom...), he can just slaughter millions of greenir soldiers with no remorse.

 

[ChaoticEdge]

17 minutes ago, SgtHotPepper said:

" The unwritten Samurai code of conduct ..." is the first sentence of your link.

So first and above all samurai must be loyal to his daimyo, the others "rules" are just guidlines.

The honor rules was for pairs and higher rank, the attitude about commoners was more "flexible" and greatly depend of the daimyo ruling the area.

(Even if the ressource wasting commoner killing are rarely tolerated without good reason).

 

A samurai full armored charging on horse some peasant soldiers are not truly "fair" but im sure this happen often during wars.

Samurai are honorable but also professionnal warriors not loyal stupid DD Paladin caricature.😉

 

So Excalibur being loyal to Lotus (cough... cough... the evil space mom...), he can just slaughter millions of greenir soldiers with no remorse.

 

No, still its still run a foul job, if excal us exalted blade and cut more then 2 enemies at the same time basically he isn't a samurai, even thou they don't lived in bushido way, samurai is pose to cut 1 man and not 2 men.  Its pretty mess up but they were making sure controlling amount of ppl on their little island and little here and there and making sure the population isn't going out control then later on living a samurai is like living a lie the whole time what you been told.  Excal 1 is a samurai way which yes you can do that, but 4 is basically the samurai will call you coward because your wave cut just murder group of enemies.  That why I don't accept the samurai way very well when they have rules that is added and limited the type they are.  Even the samurai consider fire arms is a coward weapon which that why I can't see reason why must lived by the sword when other can harm you a far.  The traditional of the samurai is terrible because thous type rules is only going end up kill everything still.  Well best put down the code samurai and lived a new way samurai...maybe not...

*edit* sorry your right, bit drinking late bit reading it bit wrong yea they attend waste ppl.  Still samurai always find a way being stubborn like a mule.

Edited January 4, 2019 by ChaoticEdge

[Teliko_Freedman]

I always pictured Khora as the Samurai frame...

Though I guess a proper samurai Warframe would have some kind of Zantetsuken abilities. Do want.

[Lady_Xenomorph]

18 hours ago, Vanille said:

Holy S#&$. Who made this? can't see credits unless that red logo is supposed to be it, but I can't recognize it.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/dgeqA

There is your source. 

This is almost ready to go just like few other concept but the devs not really looking at sources like this.

Shriiieeeek.

Edited January 4, 2019 by Lady_Xenomorph

[kgabor]

20 hours ago, SgtHotPepper said:

 

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Thinking... Why not a SM Warrior Nun inspired warframe ?

The Gram Prime is already here. Or maybe a signature whip weapon. 😛

 

 

 

Something similar could work as a Trinity skin also with a hooded helmet.

[Azimbee]

Dual Wielding Nikanas would be great. That Oodachi is also something I look forward to. Either way, Teshin's hat would reduce parkour velocity but improve aimglide.

I can't not see that thing as a parachute.

[HugintheCrow]

On 2019-01-03 at 12:12 PM, Loza03 said:

Bunning you on several levels.

1: Samurai are not exclusively swordsmen. Actually, nothing could be further from the truth: They trained with a large number of weapons and preferred using spears for army conflicts - swords were personal defence and duelling weapons, as well a honour symbols. Gara's Shattering Lash resembling a spear makes total sense. For proof, Hattori Hanzo, who some consider to be the greatest warrior of the period, actively condemned only using one weapon, seeing it as leading to mistakes as you grow too comfortable in one kind of fighting, and therefore leaving you too rigid and inflexible as a fighter. So just saying 'Samurai were swordsmen' isn't fully accurate. 

2: Onna-Bugeisha. Samurai Women were, whilst not as common as their male counterparts (since, well, history. Sengoku Jidai Japan could hardly be called progressive) were considered just as if not more fearsome than their male counterparts. In fact, the class PREDATES Samurai as throughout early Japanese history, many women were trained in fighting with daggers and spears to defend their homes from raiders. For a Warframe who's lore is about defending her elected home of the Unum's tower and who's powers involve fighting with a long spear and small dagger-like shards of glass, that seems to line up pretty well.

So, yeah. Gara fits as a Female Samurai.

Did not expect to learn some really cool facts in this thread. Props.

[(XBOX)Kuljack]

We are ninjas though... samurai are like... our number one enemy. Why you wanna be the enemy?

[Genesix6]

All we need is DE to release the two handed katana so we can fashion frame as space samurai

[(PSN)Lei-Lei_23]

19 minutes ago, (XB1)Kuljack said:

We are ninjas though... samurai are like... our number one enemy. Why you wanna be the enemy?

Because Revenant is a thing. :Kappa:

And he’s more of Onmyouji than a Samurai, so in the end it’s bollocks.

Still waiting on Baiken-themed Warframe and mass TATAMI-GAESHI!!! spam.

[Loza03]

43 minutes ago, (XB1)Kuljack said:

We are ninjas though... samurai are like... our number one enemy. Why you wanna be the enemy?

Not really.

Many Samurai hired Ninja, and since Samurai was a social class whereas Ninja was a profession, some Samurai were also Ninja - for example many of the Iga clan after Ieyasu took them in as part of his personal guard and intelligence network.

52 minutes ago, HugintheCrow said:

Did not expect to learn some really cool facts in this thread. Props.

I just re-read it and realised I put the wrong name. I'll edit it but that should read Miyamoto Musashi. My bad.

[(XBOX)Kuljack]

3 hours ago, Loza03 said:

Not really.

Many Samurai hired Ninja, and since Samurai was a social class whereas Ninja was a profession, some Samurai were also Ninja - for example many of the Iga clan after Ieyasu took them in as part of his personal guard and intelligence network.

I just re-read it and realised I put the wrong name. I'll edit it but that should read Miyamoto Musashi. My bad.

Where are your facts coming from?

Ninja were found dishonorable to samurai. Their methods were not noble and anyone hiring ninjas would not be honorable and true to Samurai code.

[Wolfdoggie]

13 hours ago, Teliko_Freedman said:

I always pictured Khora as the Samurai frame...

Though I guess a proper samurai Warframe would have some kind of Zantetsuken abilities. Do want.

Weird, I thought Khora's theme was of somekinda insect themed transformer out of "Beast Wars" TV show. :s

Edited January 4, 2019 by Wolfdoggie

[spirit_of_76]

@o_pogode   we have enough Weeb stuff in the game, and Excaliber is not a European swordsman, what we need is a knight in armor with an exalted sward and shield.  
excals new 1 is the stereotypical forward drawing slash used by people using katanas in anime.
his 2 is based on how a ninja would conduct combat by blinding his opponents
his 4 incorporates more slashes that would be optimal for a standard European arming sword.  (there are varieties that would mostly slash but they are the minority)
the exalted blade has a curve that is found on katanas more than a European slashing sword which has a curve that increases as you approach the tip and would have more curviture with a varying blade thickness which the exalted baled does not have.  

[spirit_of_76]

On 2019-01-03 at 10:03 AM, ChaoticEdge said:

honorable and don't flash ppl's eye or use javelin to spam kill everything.

we are technically ninja so he would
also samurai would have used a polearm similar to a javelin which is a Spanish throwing spear.  

Edited January 4, 2019 by spirit_of_76

[Loza03]

16 minutes ago, (XB1)Kuljack said:

Where are your facts coming from?

Ninja were found dishonorable to samurai. Their methods were not noble and anyone hiring ninjas would not be honorable and true to Samurai code.

My facts are from... reasonably common historical knowledge? It's difficult to learn about Sengoku-Jidai history without learning about how Tokugawa Ieyasu kept Ninja in his entourage and was a close friend with the Iga-Ryu Ninja clans, with them famously saving his life by transporting him back to his province after a failed invasion. They even became a part of his imperial guard - the Hyakuningumi.

Don't believe me? Japan recently set up an organisation to boost tourism  called the 'Ninja council'. In effect, an official effort to rediscover the history of the Ninja (And in doing so, get a lot of interest in Japan and get more people to go there).  So, this is an officially licensed summary of the History of Ninjutsu https://ninja-official.com/whats-ninja?lang=en  Though, for simplicities sake, here's a relevant quote:

"Ieyasu Tokugawa escaped from Sakai (Osaka Prefecture) to his headquarters in Okazaki (Aichi Prefecture) Via Shirako (Suzuka, Mie Prefecture) beyond the Iga and Koga mountains, the Iga clans and Koga clans escorted Ieyasu Tokugawa in the mountains and fought the vanguards of Ieyasu in various battles. Based on these assistances, the Iga clans and Koga clans were granted Ieyasu Tokugawa's warrant. When Ieyasu Tokugawa took reign and entered the metropolitan area of Edo on the 1st date of the 8th month in the 18th year of the Tenshō era, (August 30, 1590), the Iga clans and Koga clans also started to reside within Edo Castle town and in addition to securing Ōoku: The Inner Chambers and unattended mansions of the feudal lord, observing working conditions of the building plot, they also worked as espionage agents until the first year of Kan'ei era (1642)."

This wasn't my original source, since as I said this information is quite easy to come across and I don't remember when I first learned about it. But, indeed, Samurai and Ninja weren't mortal Enemies. Oda Nobunaga was, but he's hardly what people in Japan consider a very righteous individual.

[(XBOX)Kuljack]

13 minutes ago, Loza03 said:

My facts are from... reasonably common historical knowledge? It's difficult to learn about Sengoku-Jidai history without learning about how Tokugawa Ieyasu kept Ninja in his entourage and was a close friend with the Iga-Ryu Ninja clans, with them famously saving his life by transporting him back to his province after a failed invasion. They even became a part of his imperial guard - the Hyakuningumi.

Don't believe me? Japan recently set up an organisation to boost tourism  called the 'Ninja council'. In effect, an official effort to rediscover the history of the Ninja (And in doing so, get a lot of interest in Japan and get more people to go there).  So, this is an officially licensed summary of the History of Ninjutsu https://ninja-official.com/whats-ninja?lang=en  Though, for simplicities sake, here's a relevant quote:

"Ieyasu Tokugawa escaped from Sakai (Osaka Prefecture) to his headquarters in Okazaki (Aichi Prefecture) Via Shirako (Suzuka, Mie Prefecture) beyond the Iga and Koga mountains, the Iga clans and Koga clans escorted Ieyasu Tokugawa in the mountains and fought the vanguards of Ieyasu in various battles. Based on these assistances, the Iga clans and Koga clans were granted Ieyasu Tokugawa's warrant. When Ieyasu Tokugawa took reign and entered the metropolitan area of Edo on the 1st date of the 8th month in the 18th year of the Tenshō era, (August 30, 1590), the Iga clans and Koga clans also started to reside within Edo Castle town and in addition to securing Ōoku: The Inner Chambers and unattended mansions of the feudal lord, observing working conditions of the building plot, they also worked as espionage agents until the first year of Kan'ei era (1642)."

This wasn't my original source, since as I said this information is quite easy to come across and I don't remember when I first learned about it. But, indeed, Samurai and Ninja weren't mortal Enemies. Oda Nobunaga was, but he's hardly what people in Japan consider a very righteous individual.

You are clearly well endowed with history; whether or not it’s googled or invested knowledge. I myself admittedly know little on the history but it is my understanding that Samurai follows a code title Bushido. It is this code that defined and separated a Samurai amongst other warriors/soldiers. 

If a Samurai hires a Ninja, professional or not, to conduct acts that they themselves could not perform due to their own code, is that not breaking their code through indirect activities? 

I guess my question is more loosely one of ethics. If I were let’s say a police officer, but I hired someone to conduct criminal activity that was against the law I swore to uphold... am I allowed to call myself a police officer? 

The whole purpose of a code is to uphold it against all odds, to circumvent it with ‘the ends justify the means’ logic is still circumventing and dishonors the code.

Whether or not professional, the conduct is still dishonorable, according to the code.

I am interested to know if you have more knowledge on if conduct with professional ninjas versus mercenaries was some how appropriate within Bushido, as I have stated early I am but a simpleton in this discussion.

[ChaoticEdge]

1 hour ago, spirit_of_76 said:

we are technically ninja so he would
also samurai would have used a polearm similar to a javelin which is a Spanish throwing spear.  

they didn't throw did they? The only thing they throw is their sword, but the replacement of javelin was a sword, but consider lots of thous blah stuff of samurai rules you can't throw your weapon because its not samurai.  Yes there was a samurai really lived up the sword and took a test that he throw his dagger/japanese short knife (pose meant for pose kill yourself if you dishonor yourself for its non-sense).  So excal isn't a samurai basically if we kept the traditional way.

*editing*

sorry still doing it, it just hard to see that it is samurai cuz lots of changes.  Yes some samurai who lived new code that lived under the new japan law do carry the rifles and have sword aside with them...its pretty much pain the grip run for all these things, but they kept the self killing dagger to still do the same...

Edited January 4, 2019 by ChaoticEdge

[Riger82]

43 minutes ago, (XB1)Kuljack said:

You are clearly well endowed with history; whether or not it’s googled or invested knowledge. I myself admittedly know little on the history but it is my understanding that Samurai follows a code title Bushido. It is this code that defined and separated a Samurai amongst other warriors/soldiers. 

If a Samurai hires a Ninja, professional or not, to conduct acts that they themselves could not perform due to their own code, is that not breaking their code through indirect activities? 

I guess my question is more loosely one of ethics. If I were let’s say a police officer, but I hired someone to conduct criminal activity that was against the law I swore to uphold... am I allowed to call myself a police officer? 

The whole purpose of a code is to uphold it against all odds, to circumvent it with ‘the ends justify the means’ logic is still circumventing and dishonors the code.

Whether or not professional, the conduct is still dishonorable, according to the code.

I am interested to know if you have more knowledge on if conduct with professional ninjas versus mercenaries was some how appropriate within Bushido, as I have stated early I am but a simpleton in this discussion.

I swear I remember being told something about the difference between a ninja with or without a master by one of my high school teachers. The ones with masters were honorable, while the ones without were mercenaries. At least I think that's what my world history teach said. It has been quite a few years.

[MirageKnight]

37 minutes ago, Riger82 said:

while the ones without were mercenaries

The term is Ronin...and that describes us very well.

[Loza03]

36 minutes ago, Riger82 said:

I swear I remember being told something about the difference between a ninja with or without a master by one of my high school teachers. The ones with masters were honorable, while the ones without were mercenaries. At least I think that's what my world history teach said. It has been quite a few years.

That would be Samurai. Samurai were a class of office, similar to knights. However, after the Warring States period ended a large number found themselves without work and became Ronin, 'Masterless Samurai'. The image of the Samurai wandering the country and all that? In large part based on Ronin. Effectively they'd offer their services with their military skill, functionally being Mercenaries. 

Ninja were similarly diverse - some of their clans acted independently to those willing to pay (often Samurai or Daimyo lords seeking power through underhanded means) whilst some, like the Iga-Ryu served other powers - as I've said, a notable example is the Iga-Ryu and Ieyasu Tokugawa.

 

[Riger82]

31 minutes ago, MirageKnight said:

The term is Ronin...and that describes us very well.

Ronin were samurai without masters. I think the difference was between ninja (mercs) and shinobi (ninja with masters).

[MirageKnight]

7 minutes ago, Riger82 said:

Ronin were samurai without masters.

Correct. Just a reminder to all that the term Samurai was a title that indicated military nobility that was bestowed by the head of a clan. It's interesting that the title and concept of the Western Knight is very similar.

8 minutes ago, Riger82 said:

I think the difference was between ninja (mercs) and shinobi (ninja with masters).

I was of the understanding that the term Shinobi referred to a very particular group of specially trained mercenaries and spies from the Sengoku period.

[Loza03]

Just now, MirageKnight said:

I was of the understanding that the term Shinobi referred to a very particular group of specially trained mercenaries and spies from the Sengoku period.

No, it's just the original term for Ninja. At least to my knowledge.