-Sentient- Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 So a Skiajati,a zaw, and most of melee weapons deal mediocre damage without riven at high levels? The only weapons that work a little bit is the gram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 As stronger and stronger melee weapons get introduced, the definition fans have of "high level" gets higher and higher, until the older, previously top-tier melee weapons start under-preforming in the new definition of "high level" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--RV--Dopekoke Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Get that melee combo counter up and go red. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I'd say define "high levels" but melee is capable to doing worthwhile damage at any level with the right build, no Rivens required. Even if we're talking excessively high levels there is always Covert Lethality; can't do better than guaranteed one-shots. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)teacup775 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I dunno Paracesis kills 160 corrupted bombards in a few swipes. With Nidus even a build with status crushes them. Zaw dagger cuts them up fine too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltage Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) Try Maiming Strike, Blood Rush, and Condition Overload on like 65% of the melee weapons. Sortie exterminate for example: I am not even using Primed Pressure Point or Organ Shatter because those 2 stats are on the Riven Mod. Edited January 6, 2019 by Voltage 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GPrime96 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Wow...just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinaAlda Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Making a melee weapon powerful can be done really early in the game a bloodrush build on a galatine prime for example or condition overload build on a lesion to name only a few, I have seen some melee weapons tear things to shreds in less then a second in high level areas, only today i saw that ambulas from sorties people have been having issues with today get killed faster then my prisma gorgon could even spool up its firerate, TL:DR no melee weapons are not underpowered at high level. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Melee weapons underpowered? Get serious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceColdHawk Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Voltage said: I am not even using Primed Pressure Point or Organ Shatter because those 2 stats are on the Riven Mod. Weak sauce, pft. Sorry but no, melees are all but underpowered. Edited January 6, 2019 by IceColdHawk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion-Shields Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Voltage said: Try Maiming Strike, Blood Rush, and Condition Overload on like 65% of the melee weapons. Sortie exterminate for example: I am not even using Primed Pressure Point or Organ Shatter because those 2 stats are on the Riven Mod. Hot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreddeth Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 You might have had a point before Acolyte mods became a thing, but after that point melee was so oppressively powerful that DE had to patch away its ability to hit through terrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinaAlda Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 20 minutes ago, Voltage said: My point exactly only in video form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)DomTheKilleur Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Laughs in Plague Kripath 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellVOps Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 2 hours ago, -Sentient- said: So a Skiajati,a zaw, and most of melee weapons deal mediocre damage without riven at high levels? The only weapons that work a little bit is the gram Define your "High level" first, then we can start talking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riger82 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I have a plague kripath polearm zaw, and it murders 150's in just a few seconds without a riven. What 'high level' are you talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orcot Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 There a lot of very powerful builds for melee weapons without Rivens that can go way past current endgame standards, you might want to consider looking into some of those builds to get a better understanding of what you might be missing. But the good news is that melees weapons are getting a major balance pass soon™ to expand it's use and hopefully open up the current melee meta. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorClipClop Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 You honestly don't even need the rarer Acolyte mods (Blood Rush, Maiming Strike) to melt high-level enemies. (They make it easier, trust, but you don't them). A simple Slash/Viral Status combination on a weapon with decent Attack Speed will wreck basically anything if you have a bit of light CC while you attack. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maqabir Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I use Condition Overload Glaives to kill almost anything at any level as long as it's affected by status. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.Katsura_999 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If ya try posting yer OP toys, DE's nerf hammer will break em. But yeah, It all depends on your build, riven, and Warframe power synergies. In my experience, when enemies start becoming bullet sponges, a good melee weapon will always shred them like paper. Level 250 Bombard? EZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakais Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 What is "high level"? I mean, honestly. What is it? I've been playing for five years, am MR26 (missing only Mesa P and Akjagara P and two amps) and I have gone up and down the level ranges and the realization I have come to is that it's entirely arbitrary. Personally I hold that levels 30-50 can be considered "high" and anything above is "Excessive" for most players. But I'll concede that with the relative ease one can build up a powerful character, anything beyond 80 is excessive if you go "meta". Many of the systems and builds used to one-shot 150 enemies and such (enemies that most everyone will never encounter) rely on quite frankly broken systems or builds that basically abuse those systems. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 the right mods make all the difference here, it's just that the best ones take a little time to acquire. if people said Melee was kind of underpowered a couple years ago, maybe, but since then we have mods that: - make your combos last a ridiculous amount of time and thus never reduce your multiplier. with Body Count and/or Drifting Contact you can traverse 2 whole rooms and still keep your multiplier. - Condition Overload. there's a reason it costs 15 points without a Polarity: it's goddamn stronk on any slash weapon, especially Status ones. - Blood Rush, which when combined with Body Count, means easy orange/red crits. an Atterax with the right build can reach red crits almost immediately, like 3 hits tops. - Zaws are innately strong with many setups, but also have exclusive access to Exodias which make them even stronger and give them utility. Exodia Contagion had to be nerfed and given self damage, DE felt it was that strong. - and then there's Maiming strike. I think the Tonfa/Whip Meta has started to die out now but for a while, it was all you'd ever see, because whop's gonna argue against an almost guaranteed crit on a slide attack. - and on top of that, there's melee Rivens. I bought one for my Machete for 10p as a pet project to see if a Riven can make them good, and in truth, it didn't make it super strong but it was a major improvement with a 5/5 disposition. plus you can get + crit chance on slide and + Combo duration, so you may not even need the other mods that specialize in that. melees are anything but weak, and they're also in the process of getting overhauled, to which DE said they'd likely make the base stats of a ton of weapons even higher than they are. you likely just need to obtain and start using the mods that help with scaling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormy505 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 If we're talking levels 300+ then yea I can understand since at some point you need to cheese it and melee weapons just don't let you do that. So you need to use corners and frames and weapons that work around corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GearsMatrix301 Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vohim Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 the problem with melee currently is it relies on the combo counter wich is useless because it only stays up for a whopping 3 seconds without mods so raw crit damage weapons are mediocre compared to status unless you can force them to red crit any maiming strike and slide attack macro build isnt a real build thats basically considered an exploit by DE only reason they havent nerfed the thing is because melee 3.0 is coming think we should just get combo counter bumped to 10s baseline currently if melee 3.0 is not coming till like december or next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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