MR+ 20 Players have become a plague

[(PSN)skingsrt8]

MR is one thing....maturity is another.  I have to keep reminding myself that I am decades older than some players out in pub and ignore the behavior without going crazy.  Unfortunately you run into those players regardless of MR.  Sorry to read about the bad experience and hope it does not keep you from playing.  Also, welcome back!

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

Recruit chat still exists, just saying.....

[The_Mustachio]

1 hour ago, (XB1)Cubic Clem said:

Yeah other high Mr people are awful to play with, because they think they are some kind of new god and can do as they please. Disgusting.

I remember that guy that refused to participate in interception, didn't even capture points, and writing in chat "you're doing great guys, ty" and just grabbed the loot after the round, and going back to his afk place. It's a horrible experience.

If someone afk’s for more than 2 minutes without saying anything in chat, I just leave and find a new group. I’m here to play a game,  and not play it for someone else. 

[Arcainyx]

As there continue to be more and more weapons, frames, etc. added to the game it becomes easier and easier to achieve MR 20 and beyond.  That means less effort for leechers to get higher MR.  This game was different in that regard when the amount of things you could gain mastery from was lower making the maximum MR lower and making getting that MR harder to reach.  I wouldn't be surprised to see a trend in data that says there are a lot more MR 20+ players in the game now but I doubt that means that the distribution of leechers to non-leechers has changed much.  That's a decision that you make as a player.  I'd be surprised if it was a trend that people who weren't leeching decided to change that one day.

[Mr.SpookSpook]

Here we go, high-MR bashing again...

[zNightWolfz]

i play every day i see afk from every mr ranking low high in-between ..They all do afk not just 1 mr its a issue  fr sure.

Doesnt matter your mr it  doesnt mean you know how to mod or use a frame or weapon right some just go to the same place and thats all they do ...

Edited January 9, 2019 by zNightWolfz

[AzureTerra]

MR20+ is nothing more than a number that says a person has managed to level most of the things and proved capable enough to get through hoops that come with each level.

[TheGuyver]

I'm MR 26 and my back is sore from carrying every rank. Come on guys, I'm too old for that many piggyback rides.

[P4sserby]

Had a discussion with a MR 26 player who called me cocky for a MR 17. The discussion was about whether redeemer prime could 2 shot corrupted heavy gunner level 160 without a riven. He told me to put my mouth where my money is and that he'd give me 1k plat if I did it. from this point on we decided we'd go to his simulacrum and test it. He even invited the other 2 people in the squad at the mission in the hopes of embarrassing me and continued to insult me in various ways till the end of the mission.

Fast forward to the end of the mission, we all naturally got invitation to his simulacrum where I 2 shot said mob multiple times( no skill involved on my part, the gun is just that powerful with a simple corrosive condition overload build)

Still don't know to this day why the fact that it can indeed 2 shot said mob offends him, but after repeatedly proving something that already had a youtube video of it at the time  he responded with " kill yourself".

Some people are simply too stupid to realize spending more time in hydron doesn't magically earn them skill, sufficient game knowledge or respect.

I encountered such people on multiple occasions, never to this degree mind you, and so far they have always been the ones that have 0-10 tridolon captures with usually abnormally high kill/capture ratio.

That being said, I've mostly had problems with bad builds from high MR players that spent 90% of their time in hydron instead of doing any other content, not so much afking per se.

[Enexemander]

I did notice this the other day. I did like 3 missions in a row that had leeches with 0% damage done after a few minutes.

I just call them out in chat, set them on ignore and move on to the next mission.

[Guest]

If High MR is a plague and leech, why do I end up carrying things like even Hydron when I go there with a half modded gun and a Trinity Prime? Why does everyone else mysteriously not pull their weight around me? Why do I have to do all three vaults in Sortie spy?

Mind you, I am an MR 25, 80% the way to 26 but too lazy to continue ranking because somehow I can't get an Adarza Kavat.

[CyberPrimate]

Ive met quite a few leeches in Fortuna bounties and just as the OP I too have mostly seen high MR players doing this. 

I think there is couple of reasons.

1. Bored of the game

2. High standing capacity. They are trying to max Solaris/Vox Solaris/Vent kids standings. So while rest of us are doing the bounty, these people grind their vent kids standing, mine/fish or farm for Toroids.

3. Lack of fear for punishment. Because in order to report a leech you need some good proof. Like a video with time stamps or simply well edited, which 99% of players are not gonna go through. Im one of those players. Ill just go and do another missions.

4. And just good ol being a scumbag thing. This one is self explanatory.

 

Some missions dont need 4 squad members. Some do. Kill x enemies/reinforcements, Capture the caches (this one fails alot with 1 or 2 leeches in a squad, so you get no bonus reward at the end), collect x amount of credits, find hidden caches for example. Other missions however dont need all 4 people, if at least 2 of the remaining ones are properly geared.

 

Worst cases Ive seen were when a guy chooses and starts the bounty, then loads into map as a host and goes straight to mining/fishing. So everyone who joins cluelessly go to do the objectives without realizing that the host is chilling in the cave. When i confronted him and said this is not OK his response was - I wasnt feeling like doing the bounty at that time, I was gonna do it later. LOL "do it later". In a public squad. He meant to say "Ill let the others do it while I chill".

I got plenty of screenshots and even couple of unedited vids of 20+mr players leeching. I just cant be bothered to edit them so I could report those players properly as the images are not enough.

One of the giveaways in the first month were when they just beeline for The Pearl. Im like - oh another vent kids leech, I better restart the mision.

[Loswaith]

This is part level design (you get the final reward even if you don't even attempt to 'play' the mission).

Part repetition, a lot of stuff you can do/get is only in a handful of places. (repetition will always be an issue eventually given you can put in 1000s of hours, but localized repetition can be addressed).

Partly one way benefits.  With the open zones players can be off doing things that only benefit them while still benefiting from what the group does, while the reverse isn't true (leading to resentment).  Something to assist this could be that any loot the mining/fishing players get is shared with the group (sure a coordinated group could maximise this, but lets face it they are working together so that kind of bonus is a good incentive to co-operate).

Mostly though it is bad sportsmanship, that is just a much harder thing to deal with without inadvertently punishing the good sportsmanship in the process.

All in all I think adding incentives to the good sportsmanship is likely going to work better (though there will likely always be those that will still AFK).

[(PSN)ForNoPurpose]

I do see other people above my mr most likey to be the ones afk somewhere. Considering im 22 it makes high mr players look bad.

In bounties if im host i give one warning then use leave squad to give them a host migration, which in my experience is usually one of the worst things that can happen in this game. Its sad but you get what you give. I refuse to give anything to leechers.

[Naftal]

DE aren't doing anything to leechers which tells people that it's ok to leech.

[(PSN)Black_Adder_]

Just play bounties solo, you will have less opponents, they will be weaker and you will complete the bounties faster than with 1-2 dudes that stay afk. I did Orb Vallis highest bounty yesterday solo by accidentally entering mission with Nidus all covered in random unlevelled MR farming gear. Thought I'm gonna be dead but turned out I can kill everything by just spamming abilities (equipped weapons couldn't kill mobs). Did excavation, case captures, everything with all the possible extra rewards. The enemies on solo are so much lower level and you still get all the rewards.

[Makunogo]

Toxic players Don't have a mr requirement. however id like to point out. 

i always mine during my bounties. why? Because i can. 

why? because i use caster frames in bounties so i dont need to pay attention. 

i am multi tasking. 

alot of people will consider this leeching. but i honestly dont care. i'm still contributing. and often am carrying the squad WHILE mining. so meh.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Makunogo

[rand0mname]

Still alive? Well, time to be more serious.

I rarely PUG Bounties this days. I do not need other players to complete the mission. In fact, I will finish it faster solo (especially in Orb Vallis). Why PUG? Socialising? With leechers running rampant (and no ignore list) and "efficiency vs exploring" drama, I would rather play solo at my own pace or with clanmates. This way I can stop and stare at the pretty rocks if I want, annihilate everything as fast as I can, AFK if RL happens and take advantage of Kavat buffs without annoying anyone :).

With every player thinking like this, the percentage of leechers (of all ranks) in PUGs will grow. High MR tend to draw more attention then they leech. And since one run with a leecher is more memorable then 50 smooth runs with everyone pulling their weight, it is no wounder you complain about this “MR20+ plague”.

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"One rat, popping up here and there, squeaking loudly, taking a bath in the fresh cream and widdling in the flour, could be a plague all by himself." Terry Pratchett, "Amazing Maurice and his educated Rodents".

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by rand0mname

[Makunogo]

3 minutes ago, rand0mname said:

Still alive? Well, time to be more serious.

I rarely PUG Bounties this days. I do not need other players to complete the mission. In fact, I will finish it faster solo (especially in Orb Vallis). Why PUG? Socialising? With leechers running rampant (and no ignore list) and "efficiency vs exploring" drama, I would rather play at my own pace or with clanmates. This way I can stop and stare at the pretty rocks if I want, annihilate everything as fast as I can, AFK if RL happens and take advantage of Kavat buffs without annoying anyone :).

With every player thinking like this, the percentage of leechers (of all ranks) in PUGs will grow. High MR tend to draw more attention then they leech. And since one run with a leecher is more memorable then 50 smooth runs with everyone pulling their weight, it is no wounder you complain about this “MR20+ plague”.

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"One rat, popping up here and there, squeaking loudly, taking a bath in the fresh cream and widdling in the flour, could be a plague all by himself." Terry Pratchett, "Amazing Maurice and his educated Rodents".

 

 this is so true. sometimes i wanna just CHILL and EXPLORE in the middle of my bounties. but one simply cannot do that because everyone cries leech the minute someone is not 200% focused on the tame bounty.

also yes its true when a higher mr player doesn't feel like carrying their squad we are often given a lot of smack.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Makunogo

[RX-3DR]

If you don't punish people for counterfeiting money, eventually, a large percentage of the rich will just consist of people printing money from their garage.

As long as nothing is actively done to pursue these people, more and more leechers will climb their way up to MR20.

[Makunogo]

11 minutes ago, RX-3DR said:

If you don't punish people for counterfeiting money, eventually, a large percentage of the rich will just consist of people printing money from their garage.

As long as nothing is actively done to pursue these people, more and more leechers will climb their way up to MR20.

not sure if that is a great analogy 

but it could be because it can be pretty hard to distinguish counterfeit money. just as it can be hard to distinguish leeching.

imo the only True leeching is someone AFK the entire mission. or 100% ignoring the mission.

anything outside of there paramaters i pretty much expect to see in a pub and dont care to call anyone out on it as its not worth the energy. avoiding leeching is virtually impossible in a public setting. it doesn't always happen but it happens. and we are over analyzing it way too much.an

there was a situation earlier when i had started a bounty. and while i was loading i had realized that i left the stove on and something was burning. took me about 10 minutes to clean the mess up.

i came back and my chat was flooded with threats. the mission still got done. and we extracted. i dont find any of the bounty rewards worth that amount of negative energy that was being thrown at me. and yes i did tell people that essentially my pan was on fire. their response "so what?" 

while i dont condone leeching. we should not respond in a manner such as this. life happens. sometimes people need to actually be away. use the washroom. ect.

the leeching problem is hardly a problem. and its not going to go anywhere unless the game creates very very restrictive changes and it will have a pretty cruddy impact on gameplay.

Edited January 10, 2019 by Makunogo

[RX-3DR]

1 minute ago, Makunogo said:

not sure if that is a great analogy 

but it could be because it can be pretty hard to distinguish counterfeit money. just as it can be hard to distinguish leeching.

imo the only True leeching is someone AFK the entire mission. or 100% ignoring the mission.

anything outside of there paramaters i pretty much expect to see in a pub and dont care to call anyone out on it as its not worth the energy. avoiding leeching is virtually impossible in a public setting. it doesn't always happen but it happens. and we are over analyzing it way too much.

No, what you think is leeching is actually unrelated to the point I'm making.

The point I made is simple. If you let people get away with leeching, they will know they can continue doing it. As they continue to do it, they will slowly climb up on their MR and just add into the MR20+ pool. That's what contributes to OP's observation, the leechers leeched their way to 20+ and now sit with the rest of the community.

[Makunogo]

11 minutes ago, RX-3DR said:

No, what you think is leeching is actually unrelated to the point I'm making.

The point I made is simple. If you let people get away with leeching, they will know they can continue doing it. As they continue to do it, they will slowly climb up on their MR and just add into the MR20+ pool. That's what contributes to OP's observation, the leechers leeched their way to 20+ and now sit with the rest of the community.

but that is simply not a reasonable accusation. leeching is not anywhere near the point where that is even close to being accurate. there is few people out there. and the whole leech thing is being vastly overstated.

Edit: if you are tired of leeching. why not suggest some methods to get rid of leeching that wont affect players negatively aswell? i tend to see alot of people whine and complain but not offer up a reasonable solution most of the time.

there is tons of leech rants and next to no how to solve leeching conversation. without a drastic restriction that is unreasonable.

currently there is a few methods that we have to diminish leeching. yet these same people often reject these methods. and still complain.

if one ignores solutions to a problem. they are part of the problem.

1. play solo - nobody can leech off you 

2. recruit chat - organized squad that wants what you want. 

 

lets be honest nobody wants to do either of these options most the time as its more *generally*  time consuming. so we will continue to pub and complain about it.

 

Edited January 10, 2019 by Makunogo

[RX-3DR]

1 minute ago, Makunogo said:

but that is simply not a reasonable accusation. leeching is not anywhere near the point where that is even close to being accurate.

I've seen my fair share of MR20+ leechers. It's not an accusation, it's a simple fact of situation.

If 2 out of 10 people realize they can leech all their bounties on the Plains and Vallis at MR15, that's another 2 leechers. If 1 out of 10 people at MR20+ leech all their bounties and that group of 10 players at MR15 make their way to MR20+, you now have 3 out of 20, which is a statistical increase to 1.5 out of 10.

Unless you can reasonably prove that less leechers are hitting MR20+, you're going to see an increase in leeching, especially since anyone can come to the realization that they can get away with leeching. A good number of people were on the ball to exploit the Khora affinity exploit, what makes you think everyone is a goody two shoes when it comes to leeching?

[Makunogo]

3 minutes ago, RX-3DR said:

I've seen my fair share of MR20+ leechers. It's not an accusation, it's a simple fact of situation.

If 2 out of 10 people realize they can leech all their bounties on the Plains and Vallis at MR15, that's another 2 leechers. If 1 out of 10 people at MR20+ leech all their bounties and that group of 10 players at MR15 make their way to MR20+, you now have 3 out of 20, which is a statistical increase to 1.5 out of 10.

Unless you can reasonably prove that less leechers are hitting MR20+, you're going to see an increase in leeching, especially since anyone can come to the realization that they can get away with leeching. A good number of people were on the ball to exploit the Khora affinity exploit, what makes you think everyone is a goody two shoes when it comes to leeching?

leechers dont have a MR requirement.  stop trying to tie the two together. if someone is going ot leech. what mastery rank they are isnt going to change that.

dont put words in that i haven't stated thanks.

if you dont like leeching. start suggesting ways to make it go away instead of only whining about it. 

Edited January 10, 2019 by Makunogo