Limbo trolls.

[The_Stallion]

14 hours ago, Padre_Akais said:

... provided your targets are rifted

The issue in plain text.

[The_Stallion]

19 hours ago, Loza03 said:

Sounds like you've had bad experiences. That's fair. In answer to your questions:

Ideally, Limbo is a frame who acts as the defensive line. His powers specialise entirely around defence of himself and whatever area he chooses. His powers can regulate the flow of combat, preventing teammates from being overwhelmed, either by giving them a safe haven to retreat to, fewer objectives to juggle or even just serving as a 'jungler' by utilising guerrilla tactics via his free movement - oftentimes, they can serve multiple roles at once.

Limbos like the one you encountered are uncommon - you encountered a troll, plain and simple. There's a bunch of frames that abused. Loki, Nova, Nekros are the ones that spring to mind. All these frames are useful, but sadly people will always exist who choose to abuse them. Limbo with his rift, Loki with switch teleport, Nova with her portals blocking paths or consoles and Nekros with his shadows acting as decoys.

Limbo does have special problem since there's the possibility to accidentally troll. His abilities need a good number of quality of life to clearly display the effects of his powers. But, blame the player, not the tool they used.

Thank you for this well reasoned answer. I take your point.

[ChaoticEdge]

-_-😑😐...you know you can just use roll to get out the void shift even in limbo's 1 button if he had did put it on you.  how use the roll just hit the shift twice and walla your out the troll.  He isn't really a troll, vauban is master troll.

P.S You do not want to know the power of vauban's troll.

Edited January 12, 2019 by ChaoticEdge

[Makunogo]

limbo can only troll people who dont know how he works.

[ChaoticEdge]

1 minute ago, Makunogo said:

limbo can only troll people who dont know how he works.

true that XD.  One thing can't out beat the true troll master is vauban.  Bounce abilities can be super I mean super annoying that you can make a wall of it to block players going to their mission I mean liget.

[The_Stallion]

19 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said:

-_-😑😐...you know you can just use roll to get out the void shift even in limbo's 1 button if he had did put it on you.  how use the roll just hit the shift twice and walla your out the troll.  He isn't really a troll, vauban is master troll.

P.S You do not want to know the power of vauban's troll.

I am well aware I can get out of the void. The issue is that a trolling Limbo can just keep doing it to you, totally messing up the flow of your game.

 

That as well as Cataclysm totally messing up the flow, too.

 

The vast, VAST majority of Limbo players I find either don't know how to use their abilities, or purposely misuse them to troll.

 

THAT is my issue.

[NukeTheCore]

srsly? this topic again? Limbo is useful in his own way, if you don't like it or you don't know how to use it, it's another story..
the trolls... well.. i can troll with a Vauban in Hydron.. i can troll with Nyx.. with Garuda.. etc... stop picking Limbo

[(PSN)Mono-Pop]

I personally am not a fan of Limbo, when I was newer I didn’t know you could roll to escape limbo, so I just sat in it getting really angry haha.

Back then, I would quit any game a Limbo joined, just because of the amount of frustration it caused me.

Now I know I can escape limbo, and yet Limbo players still bother me.

I can see that he has value, but in my experience he just slows games down too much.

In most content, I would rather play solo than with a Limbo.

Edited January 12, 2019 by (PS4)Mono-Pop

[(PSN)Mono-Pop]

20 hours ago, Loza03 said:

Sounds like you've had bad experiences. That's fair. In answer to your questions:

Ideally, Limbo is a frame who acts as the defensive line. His powers specialise entirely around defence of himself and whatever area he chooses. His powers can regulate the flow of combat, preventing teammates from being overwhelmed, either by giving them a safe haven to retreat to, fewer objectives to juggle or even just serving as a 'jungler' by utilising guerrilla tactics via his free movement - oftentimes, they can serve multiple roles at once.

Limbos like the one you encountered are uncommon - you encountered a troll, plain and simple. There's a bunch of frames that abused. Loki, Nova, Nekros are the ones that spring to mind. All these frames are useful, but sadly people will always exist who choose to abuse them. Limbo with his rift, Loki with switch teleport, Nova with her portals blocking paths or consoles and Nekros with his shadows acting as decoys.

Limbo does have special problem since there's the possibility to accidentally troll. His abilities need a good number of quality of life to clearly display the effects of his powers. But, blame the player, not the tool they used.

Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to blame the developers? 

Players shouldn’t be given tools to troll each other in the first place.

[ChaoticEdge]

15 minutes ago, The_Stallion said:

I am well aware I can get out of the void. The issue is that a trolling Limbo can just keep doing it to you, totally messing up the flow of your game.

 

That as well as Cataclysm totally messing up the flow, too.

 

The vast, VAST majority of Limbo players I find either don't know how to use their abilities, or purposely misuse them to troll.

 

THAT is my issue.

then use vauban bounce him, throw tesla at his face, block his path using bounce.  If that doesn't work use valkyr grapple him back to the spot you want him be at and not have him going anywhere.  Its obvious would be simple fight with fire with fire, but I shouldn't encourage you to do it, but if you still have issue with ppl using limbo who troll you I will put it simple term of words go find a group that you won't get trolled over with.

[NukeTheCore]

hace 59 minutos, Makunogo dijo:

limbo can only troll people who dont know how he works.

everything said..

So, to be clear, what's your solution...? Erase Limbo..? Erase noobs..?

[Makunogo]

43 minutes ago, NukeTheCore said:

everything said..

So, to be clear, what's your solution...? Erase Limbo..? Erase noobs..?

the solution is to understand how limbo works. the amount of people who troll on limbo is next to 0 currently the worst they can do is banish you which is easy to get out of.

also operator is immune to the effects of the rift. so if u really wanna stay out. 😛

Edited January 12, 2019 by Makunogo

[NukeTheCore]

hace 18 minutos, Makunogo dijo:

the solution is to understand how limbo works. the amount of people who troll on limbo is next to 0 currently the worst they can do is banish you which is easy to get out of.

also operator is immune to the effects of the rift. so if u really wanna stay out. 😛

oh, no sorry, the questions were for those who complain... i agree with you... actually I'm a Limbo player

[Makunogo]

1 minute ago, NukeTheCore said:

oh, no sorry, the questions were for those who complain... i agree with you... actually I'm a Limbo player

Oh, they just need to get guud haha. its often the ones who dont understand limbo who complain about him.

[Spectre-8]

On 2019-01-11 at 8:40 AM, The_Stallion said:

Seriously, is it just me or is Limbo just utterly useless? Any and every time I encounter a Limbo player it seems their life's purpose is to just get in your way, force you into limbo state so it breaks the flow of your game, and just otherwise be as big a nuisance to their own team as much as the enemy.

 

Just encountered yet another Limbo player who was purposely putting his team into limbo state (double shift) and proceeded to do it even more when asked to stop. Then threatened with a report for harassment because I got angry that I was constantly being forced to stop my game to get out of limbo mode just so I could actually damage the enemies.

 

What is it with the mentality of these people? I don't get it. Is this just another form of ego? Or is this just particularly gross trolling? I have not once yet met a Limbo player who wasn't toxic and constantly got in the way.

 

Someone please explain to me the point of this warframe. Because it seems to just be to get in the way of your team.

The point is to make people like you as angry as possible .

[spyroxion]

3 hours ago, Makunogo said:

limbo can only troll people who dont know how he works.

EXACTLY! 

I really hated Limbo players, no matter good or bad and I felt that they just ruin everything but at the same time I had NO clue how the hell it works. So, I crafted Limbo my self, watched some guide videos on his abilities, played him and wolah - wonderful frame I love to use in specific situations and I no longer hate Limbos when I see because I know how he works and with good Limbo player I can play along and with bad one I know how to deal with easily. 

I am sure that most of hate comes from people who didn't bother learning him even a tiny bit and see how his full kit works and then not knowing how to play with him in party. 

I mean go high lvl defense mission, pop 4+2, everything freezes as soon as touches the bubble and you and your team just shoot them up from the inside. Easiest time of the life. Something wrong? Run out of bubble. Accidentaly went into rift? Well press shift to roll and you're good. 

[The_Stallion]

2 hours ago, ChaoticEdge said:

then use vauban bounce him, throw tesla at his face, block his path using bounce.  If that doesn't work use valkyr grapple him back to the spot you want him be at and not have him going anywhere.  Its obvious would be simple fight with fire with fire, but I shouldn't encourage you to do it, but if you still have issue with ppl using limbo who troll you I will put it simple term of words go find a group that you won't get trolled over with.

So your solution is to somehow guess that I'll be paired with a Limbo who will also be trolling...or just play as nothing but Vauban.

 

Yeah, I'll get right on that. Brb, honing my ESP skills.

[The_Stallion]

14 minutes ago, spyroxion said:

EXACTLY! 

I really hated Limbo players, no matter good or bad and I felt that they just ruin everything but at the same time I had NO clue how the hell it works. So, I crafted Limbo my self, watched some guide videos on his abilities, played him and wolah - wonderful frame I love to use in specific situations and I no longer hate Limbos when I see because I know how he works and with good Limbo player I can play along and with bad one I know how to deal with easily. 

I am sure that most of hate comes from people who didn't bother learning him even a tiny bit and see how his full kit works and then not knowing how to play with him in party. 

I mean go high lvl defense mission, pop 4+2, everything freezes as soon as touches the bubble and you and your team just shoot them up from the inside. Easiest time of the life. Something wrong? Run out of bubble. Accidentaly went into rift? Well press shift to roll and you're good. 

When I got Limbo I spent hours and hours playing him, figuring him out. Just because I know how he works doesn't change the fact at all that Limbo players can purposely f*ck up the squad's game.

 

As others have said, "he's just only useful on a small subset of missions. On the rest he literally exists only to slow teams down and/or troll with.

Honestly the only mission I want Limbo on my team for is Sortie defense, where you have to defend the agent that moves around. For everything else you could want Limbo for, Frost is the better choice".

 

And, "Hate for limbo based entirely on his ability to force everyone into his playstyle, to play his game. No other frame have such capabilities. No surprise limbo is hated and people could insta-leave when limbo in sight".

[Rakosta_Kai]

3 hours ago, The_Stallion said:

The issue in plain text.

People get mad when they shoot at something and it can't die.

Sometimes that's on the Limbo and sometimes it's on other players...Same as it was with Ash.

I detested Limbo clear up to his last round of tuning and avoided him like I would any other plague because overzealous Limbos effect everyone in it.

Back then when I saw a Limbo...I left.

The Limbo prime model and changes dragged (drug?...whichever) me in and I thoroughly enjoy running around on Limbo nowadays...I tend to prefer doing such solo though. 

 

It's unfortunate that the attributes and skills required for Limbo players to be good solo and in groups differ so much. 

[Loza03]

3 hours ago, The_Stallion said:

The vast, VAST majority of Limbo players I find either don't know how to use their abilities, or purposely misuse them to troll.

 

THAT is my issue.

Indeed. Limbo is in dire need for a conveyance pass on his abilities. It's incredibly unclear what they do and unclear for longtime players what state they're in.

Transparency on enemies in an alternate plane and a second, non colour-related rift indicator. This would help newer players a great deal, help the Limbo keep track of what they're doing better and help people not playing Limbo identify the situation better. It wouldn't stop trolls... but literally nothing can stop trolls in the long run.

2 hours ago, (PS4)Mono-Pop said:

Wouldn’t it be more appropriate to blame the developers? 

Players shouldn’t be given tools to troll each other in the first place.

It's a Co-op game. Something you can look at is that a bunch of these frames were designed relatively early in the games life. The intent was to use these powers to help other players.

Unfortunately, there will always be a subset of people who will take anything they can to make themselves feel better than other players by 'beating them'. If it's not these, I'm sure people would figure out something else. A lot of devs go by 'Bartles Taxonomy' which has them as one of the four core gameplay styles.

The best Devs can do is mitigate the worst of the problems. Like stasis stopping bullets. Much as I miss ZA WARUDO, it's unequivocally one of the best things to happen to Limbo's design. The alternative is to channel them somewhere else, like PvP, and we all know how healthy WF PvP is right now.

[(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz]

I find it quite amusing that we have so many frames and abilities that are more frequently encountered and used for trolling and yet Limbo is the target here.

It's been weeks since I've seen another Limbo (not an exaggeration) and yet since his QoL change I haven't had any salt thrown my way for playing him.  You know who I have been trolled by?  Volt.  Titania.  Trinity.  Nidus.  Max duration Garuda.  Vauban.  Max range Frost.  You get the picture.

OP's bias against Limbo even with his changes to operate more team friendly and their own admittance to knowledge of how the frame works is pretty apparent here.  

 

At this point I'm taking all Limbo complaints as a sad joke.

[ChaoticEdge]

9 hours ago, The_Stallion said:

So your solution is to somehow guess that I'll be paired with a Limbo who will also be trolling...or just play as nothing but Vauban.

 

Yeah, I'll get right on that. Brb, honing my ESP skills.

not saying I should encourage you, just giving you some knowledge about vauban or either valkyr.  I don't want start troll war all over again...troll war...

Spoiler

Lets not start that again... for I ask of you don't please.

[AreeSoothsayer]

No, I didn't read the previous posts.

 

I'm just tired of going into a map that's challenging then getting my fun BORKED by a limbo. So far I've bailed 5 times in a row because there was a limbo in every team. Void mines throwing me into the rift. Giant void bubbles locking enemies in place. Then the A******s who deliberately target me and toss me into the void, immediately doing it again when I dodge roll out of it.

I wish there was a debuff that keeps a buff status from being reapplied for a minute or something, that would be a nice QoL for half the limbo griefing.,

[Methanoid]

its not like limbo players are the first and only trolls, valk players often used to ripline ppl off cliffs, frosts slapping globes all over the place to block shots, novas teleporting ppl all over the place, vauban when bugged used to vortex and or bounce teammates as well, its not so much the frames but who is behind them.

Edited February 22, 2019 by Methanoid

[(NSW)jja209]

Trolls are honestly the worst thing about the internet.Making people miserable for their own pleasure is what I call being evil.I do ignore them if they mess with me.But that doesn’t mean that they aren’t evil vile people.

Edited February 22, 2019 by (NSW)jja209