nickelshark Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 I mean I use the Dex Furis since they are one of the best secondaries in the game...but yeah, I never cared much for the Lotus and her, no offense, boring character. Plus I like to switch up my weapons pretty much every mission so there is that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 3 hours ago, DrakeWurrum said: Did you do the quest where you get a sword from Ballas? Because you're being very misguided to turn against her. Her actions from the beginning have only been to help the Tenno grow in freedom, power, and independence. Hide contents It's highly likely that this Sentient "mother" coming can control other Sentients. Ballas, after being made into a Sentient, seemed to be partially under her control, but still managed to fight back enough to give you that sword so long as he didn't look at you directly with his Sentient eye. Clearly this is the reason Lotus wore that helmet. To protect us Tenno from the impending betrayal as long as possible by preventing the Sentient mother from being able to use the Lotus' senses against us, knowing she could not fight off the control forever. Also, the scene hints that Lotus may actually have been built from Margulis herself. I wish we could replay that quest. The impression i got was very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 14 hours ago, SighDuck42 said: I make a call to all tenno to join me and show that we still believe in our space mom well, depending on how The New War goes, you may end up regretting that faith. my money is on us having to fight her and her either A: being killed by us, or B: she sacrifices her life to save us from her Sentient Mother. Warframe's narrative is a coming of age story: we've gone from naive, dumb kids into slightly smarter kids with mommy issues, now it'll be time to cut those apron strings once and for all, and thus our Tenno comes of age and is mentally a young adult (but possibly still trapped in a kid's body, still not sure where DE's gonna go with that). Dex weapons are all pretty strong as well though, and you'll need to use Dexcalibur with the Syandana and Sigils to complete the look, because if you're gonna go full Lotus, go FULL Lotus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TARINunit9 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 15 hours ago, MagPrime said: Nah, I did the quest you get from her helmet. I'm looking for a different adoptive parent. Speaking as someone who also did that quest, I have a different philosophy on the matter: Lotus WAS real, but past tense is not a fun technicality... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 12 minutes ago, TARINunit9 said: Speaking as someone who also did that quest, I have a different philosophy on the matter: Lotus WAS real, but past tense is not a fun technicality... True. She WAS real but has since changed, no longer the Lotus we sorta, kinda, somewhat, were associated with. Like I said, I'm contacting CPS and asking for a new adoptive parent. This one is...lacking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormwylf Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 17 hours ago, SighDuck42 said: I have made the decision to show my faith in space mom by only using the weapons she designed for us (the dex set). I make a call to all tenno to join me and show that we still believe in our space mom WHY? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leland_Gaunt Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Never believed in her in the first place. I'll kill her off if I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibernetika Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I side with the Lotus, so yeah I'll fashion and use my umbra to dex configuration and Lotus colours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rand0mname Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Translation: "I, for one, welcome our new Sentient overlords." Edited January 21, 2019 by rand0mname 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olphalarepth Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Quick question, is it possible to know how many of you will stand with lotus? Need to know how much punch trough I'm gonna need for new war or simply bring an ignis/lenz, bye Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-STR-Lotus Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I've always liked to read and understand stories when I first started the game, I noticed Lotus's mother figure. when I slowly began to understand the story, I began to love him. when he left, I could see why he left more or less. I think lotus will always be my favorite character. because it's good for me to have a mother figure, and what they do in the story is good for us. Lotus has been losing his will since the second dream, and he's been fighting a war in it. I don't think it makes sense to insult lotus I think the man on the biggest enemy wall if they said what you want the most, I'd say Lotus should come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlusteredFerret Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On 2019-01-20 at 10:45 AM, SighDuck42 said: I have made the decision to show my faith in space mom by only using the weapons she designed for us (the dex set). I make a call to all tenno to join me and show that we still believe in our space mom I'm with you. I still love Rebecca Spacemom... Still regularly use the Dex weapons too...though not always... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaemyerelis Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 If I dont have a dex weapon will mommy still love me? 😐 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Silverback73 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) On 2019-01-20 at 5:45 AM, SighDuck42 said: I have made the decision to show my faith in space mom by only using the weapons she designed for us (the dex set). I make a call to all tenno to join me and show that we still believe in our space mom Or...you do as I did. You blindfold your eyes, making sure that Void-sight is your only guide, never to be deceived again by the Supreme Sentient Infiltrator Natah. We were raised as Orokin Super Soldiers trained in the Honorable ways of Focus Schools to defend the solar system with our elite combat suits. Faux-mom said so. The reality is that we were used as an insurgency force of immortal Void terrorists using Infested-Sentient hybrids to destabilize the solar system for Sentient invasion. Did Natah discover that she truly wants to BE Lotus after using Transference to create Lotus from our collective memories of Margulis? It is the pivotal question. But we’ve been fooled once. It’s not on us to support a deceitful, traitorous construct from our dreams. That’s for fools. Natah is now my enemy until she proves otherwise. And I will kill her if necessary. Edited January 21, 2019 by (PS4)Silverback73 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 21 hours ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said: well, depending on how The New War goes, you may end up regretting that faith. my money is on us having to fight her and her either A: being killed by us, or B: she sacrifices her life to save us from her Sentient Mother. Warframe's narrative is a coming of age story: we've gone from naive, dumb kids into slightly smarter kids with mommy issues, now it'll be time to cut those apron strings once and for all, and thus our Tenno comes of age and is mentally a young adult (but possibly still trapped in a kid's body, still not sure where DE's gonna go with that). Dex weapons are all pretty strong as well though, and you'll need to use Dexcalibur with the Syandana and Sigils to complete the look, because if you're gonna go full Lotus, go FULL Lotus. I don't think she's gonna sacrifice herself for us (because she's needed for 'Hidden Messages' for one, and because she's one of the most significant parts of the game, marketing-wise). I don't think she's gonna go back to normal though. And I'd be quite surprised if any kind of redemption, especially the 'coming out of brainwashing' kind, didn't involve us beating some sense into her. Maybe to knock her back to normal, maybe to prove that we can stand on our own and she didn't fail us or perhaps even having to pretend to fight her as a distraction whilst something else goes on - basically those are theories of brainwashing, depressed/mentally unstable Lotus (my personal theory) and double-agent. All three could present interesting Narrative opportunities. I've noticed DE doesn't like to run stories straight, always running them a tad crooked in order to play with them and us. For example, a lot of people were expecting us to save/kill Lotus in the Sacrifice too and look what happened there. Or the War Within's fake-out betrayal. Not twisted too much, but enough that it completely recontextualises moments. My personal suspicion is that she'll wind up an envoy to a friendly group of sentients we wind up protecting - in which case we might not even finish the arc in this quest, although we'll probably know more. It seems like this is still going to take place in the Origin system. I'm going to go out on a limb and say we're not going to be able to get her back until Tau. Lastly, and unrelated, I'm calling it now that if in any way she's brainwashed or needs 'calling out' of something, it will be done with the words 'Wake up, Lotus'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Silverback73 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Loza03 said: I don't think she's gonna sacrifice herself for us (because she's needed for 'Hidden Messages' for one, and because she's one of the most significant parts of the game, marketing-wise). I don't think she's gonna go back to normal though. And I'd be quite surprised if any kind of redemption, especially the 'coming out of brainwashing' kind, didn't involve us beating some sense into her. Maybe to knock her back to normal, maybe to prove that we can stand on our own and she didn't fail us or perhaps even having to pretend to fight her as a distraction whilst something else goes on - basically those are theories of brainwashing, depressed/mentally unstable Lotus (my personal theory) and double-agent. All three could present interesting Narrative opportunities. I've noticed DE doesn't like to run stories straight, always running them a tad crooked in order to play with them and us. For example, a lot of people were expecting us to save/kill Lotus in the Sacrifice too and look what happened there. Or the War Within's fake-out betrayal. Not twisted too much, but enough that it completely recontextualises moments. My personal suspicion is that she'll wind up an envoy to a friendly group of sentients we wind up protecting - in which case we might not even finish the arc in this quest, although we'll probably know more. It seems like this is still going to take place in the Origin system. I'm going to go out on a limb and say we're not going to be able to get her back until Tau. Lastly, and unrelated, I'm calling it now that if in any way she's brainwashed or needs 'calling out' of something, it will be done with the words 'Wake up, Lotus'. Ties into my theory that the Sentient homeworld is an Eden of Peace where war machines are forbidden. Those who choose to become like Hunhow and Natah make the Supreme sacrifice by becoming voluntary exiles in order to protect the purity AND security of their home world. Once they choose to become weapons of War they are forbidden to return after traversing the rails. I wonder if our final “choice” is to protect/destroy/do nothing as the other factions advance. Edited January 22, 2019 by (PS4)Silverback73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeWurrum Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) On 2019-01-20 at 4:58 PM, MagPrime said: I wish we could replay that quest. The impression i got was very different. I spent a lot of time thinking it over, and looking back at lore from elsewhere in the game... And my impression is that the Lotus is not our enemy, and yet may no longer be able to make that choice right now. Spoiler Her alleged "betrayal" simply does not at all match her actions from before the Sacrifice, and the Chimera Prologue kinda helped it all click together for me. Especially the possibility that Sentients are crafted from other living beings and given their memories, thoughts, feelings, etc. I don't doubt we're going to kill her. But it's not going to be a satisfying kill like many of our more bloodthirsty and ragey Tenno are hoping for. DE loves putting in dark twists, remember. I also still fully hope that DE decides to use "mission guides" as an additional revenue stream, giving us the ability to spend plat to get custom guides for going through missions.https://forums.warframe.com/topic/969864-customizable-mission-support/ Edited January 22, 2019 by DrakeWurrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Silverback73 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, DrakeWurrum said: I spent a lot of time thinking it over, and looking back at lore from elsewhere in the game... And my impression is that the Lotus is not our enemy, and yet may no longer be able to make that choice right now. I don't doubt we're going to kill her. But it's not going to be a satisfying kill like many of our more bloodthirsty and ragey Tenno are hoping for. DE loves putting in dark twists, remember. I also still fully hope that DE decides to use "mission guides" as an additional revenue stream, giving us the ability to spend plat to get custom guides for going through missions.https://forums.warframe.com/topic/969864-customizable-mission-support/ Vay Hek “support” with over the top denegration and rage or Gtfo 😆. I just want him complaining the whole time while we humiliate his troops. Tyl Regor hilarity also. Can we have anti-support faction packs where their leaders scream at us? Lolol. Edited January 22, 2019 by (PS4)Silverback73 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahielTheDreamer Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 I'm not into dudes, but I want Tyl Regor directing my missions. That voice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SighDuck42 Posted January 27, 2019 Author Share Posted January 27, 2019 I'm thinking Cephalon Zark as a mission guide would be awesome, but I believe in space mom too much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackHargreav Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Sorry but trying out the Paracesis on a real sentient is too tempting... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryusuta Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 There is only one person (sort of) that I want giving me my mission directives from now on, and that's Ordis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pikadidi Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Sorry but my loyalities lie with Ordis. I will not, however, raise my blade against Spacemom untill we have a clear explanation of what's going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilChair Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, Pikadidi said: Sorry but my loyalities lie with Ordis. I will not, however, raise my blade against Spacemom untill we have a clear explanation of what's going on. sentient gets motherly instinct running, impersonates dead mother figure, runs her own faction for a while. later brainwashed backwards into her earlier form by her crazy toga-wearing ex as part of his overcomplex suicide plot. upon return to tau, accused by her own mother of having been corrupted by her adopted children, and basically we have a situation where everyone is accusing everyone of one-upping them. executor 2 long arm man says she manipulated him and the zariman kids w/ fake feelings, we saw him brainwashing and disconnecting her from the tenno in apostasy, and her own mother is accusing the zariman kids of having manipulated her. everyone's pointing fingers at everyone else and it's gonna be a clusterfck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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