stormy505 Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 2 hours ago, (PS4)Cargan2016 said: really have you not watched auction house prices in other games. One person lists for unrealistic ammount then everyone seems to think they can get that much. there for prices go threw roof. for example Decent mounts that where uncommon to rare in SWTOR used to go for 1-1.5 million credits on average then 6mo to year ago some one decided to list it for 10x that now that 10mill is the average price It's more likely. As we have seen on Warframemarket to the main game. Since the lowest price is shown at the top everyone is trying to undersell everyone else. Which drops the value of items by a lot. Also for the mounts to increase in price and stay at that price people would need to buy it at that price. I have seen something similar in wow but in that game the cause was it became easier to get your hands on the standard currency which overall devalued it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrayFrequency Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 They can add a Market Place to the game. Market Place does not = Auction House. Market Place = Place players sell stuff for normal prices, or market prices. Auction House means everything is discounted, and there are bids. It can just be additional. It doesn't have to be the main way. ------ Have you seen the OldSchool RuneScape Grand Exchange Market? It is a beautiful thriving market. Warframe is big enough to have an additional Market Place. There can be restrictions such as: Mastery Level Requirement (seller can select minimum mastery levels to buy items from them, also mastery level required to use market, theres already a level 2 restriction for normal trading I think it should be higher for the market) Taxes/(Credit/Plat) Maybe a plat tax for more rare/exclusive items Time limits for items to be "passively" sold (normal item up for sale to 3 days, uncommon up to 2 days, rare/really rare 1day listing max..then you have to relist it) Item/Trade Limit (when you do a trade there's a mastery level limited amount of trades you can do) The market place could be implemented as: Market UI Menu Little Shops you can make in Dojos A later relay on the starchart as the main market area I think an actual Warframe Market Place would be amazing. Another idea.. Maybe there can be a player bounties section. So for example Player A needs 5000 Alloy Plates...Player A could list a bounty on the market's bounty section, in maroos bazaar, in the little dojo shop stands, or the market ui menu, or seperate menu/place. Player B would see said bounty, and they could claim the bounty(time limits can be set by Player A for bounty so it's not forgotten or trolled, Player A can also set the reward). Player B completes bounty, Alloy Plates go to Player A, and bounty set reward goes to Player B. Rewards can't be plat. Though making a market ingame would need a lot of extra things such as more servers, more employees, expensive, etc. So maybe at a later time in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdobash Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, (PS4)Cargan2016 said: really have you not watched auction house prices in other games. One person lists for unrealistic ammount then everyone seems to think they can get that much. there for prices go threw roof. for example Decent mounts that where uncommon to rare in SWTOR used to go for 1-1.5 million credits on average then 6mo to year ago some one decided to list it for 10x that now that 10mill is the average price Ingame trade house=/=auction house. In an auction house any item can be overpriced by buyers and any previous bids are considered null, a trade house would not be like that since prices would be set aka if you WTB something high well then you're gonna be paying more for the same thing, and if you WTS something high you'll never sell it in a reasonable time span. Aka it would actually go in the opposite direction than your supposed jacked up prices. Just look at WF market, all the items there are consistently lower than ingame trade chat, only problem with that is it's a completely free third-party website that isn't even owned by DE, meaning the players that created that are helping DE with the trade business at no pay. Just look at xbox/ps4/switch trade chats, since people there don't use third party websites as much as PC players (it's much less convenient to do so with consoles since you can't copy paste the whispers) all the prices on trade chat are jacked up so much higher than in the PC trade chat. A mirage prime could go for 30-45 on PC while it can go for 70-80 on consoles. Edited January 9, 2019 by birdobash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)AMONGTHEWEAK Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 (edited) Without losing player to player interaction. What if they had a market for items people were selling and are only available if they (the player selling) are online. Say youre MR 20 so you can only display say 10 items that you want to sell on a market, but don't have to just sit on trade chat and wait for someone to buy. You can keep playing the game. People can see your items that you have listed up for sale, almost like on Maroo Bazaar. But once you go offline, those items aren't available. And the interested party can just PM you for their interest in that item and you all can negotiate from there and meet up and trade like normal. Who enjoys sitting in trade chat and not playing this game? I understand what an AH would do to the game (dillute the price of things, everyone would be selling at all times and drive prices down, lower prices and more competition would mean less plat would need to be earned or bought for a particular item, less reason for people to spend more on plat and less profit to DE, and the player to player interaction wouldnt be there anymore) So it wouldn't be an AH where you place an item up for sale and someone just buys it while your playing or sleeping, or just doing whatever outside the game. You would still have to go and trade with that person, and negotiate etc. So basically it would just be an advertisement for what you are selling. They still have to come to you for the item they want to buy. That's my thought on this issue. Edited January 9, 2019 by (XB1)AMONGTHEWEAK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahielTheDreamer Posted January 9, 2019 Share Posted January 9, 2019 While I'd love a market place/auction house as it would actually encourage me to trade occasionally, it won't happen. Maroo's bazaar is already similar to a player orientated AH/MP, as you list what you want to sell and people come to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeTheCore Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Hey, just that. Maybe you saw it in other games, there is a list where you can place orders(put your items at a price) or buy things offered. This has a lot of pros and cons. I really think that there is more pros. The trading system would be fair and faster. Lowers prices? More offers.. Higher prices? Trading chat.. No need to be there, I really don't have time to waste trading things that the 1% of players are looking. I'm from South America, there a lot of players that don't speak english, they ask for translation. If DE applies this right, would be more movement of PL. So.. good for them.. I didn't find another topic with this. Words may vary. What do you think? Please don't troll. Greetings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishyflakes Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 https://warframe.market/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AiLuoLi- Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 No matter how you spin it, that sounds exactly like auction/trading house and DE has already said they will never do it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeTheCore Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 hace 7 minutos, Fishyflakes dijo: https://warframe.market/ i said automatic hace 3 minutos, -AiLuoLi- dijo: No matter how you spin it, that sounds exactly like auction/trading house and DE has already said they will never do it. shame.. they didn't give any reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AiLuoLi- Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 Just now, NukeTheCore said: i said automatic shame.. they didn't give any reason? Something like they want trading to have player interaction instead of automated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeTheCore Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 you can have both :S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulden Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 44 minutes ago, NukeTheCore said: Greetings. It is not that DE doesn't know about it, it is not the way they want it. They want players to interact for trade or play, not play with "automatic transactions/trades" For a better understanding, search for Auction House, as that it is the actual term of what you are suggesting. Edited January 12, 2019 by Souldend78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makunogo Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 yea automatic trades would honestly Mess me up so bad. because i dont always want to use my trades up and considering how much things i have as buy orders at any given moment. that would actually gimp me so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZahielTheDreamer Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 While I'd love this as I don't like trading in WF as it isl, as Souldend78 has said, they do not want any form of automatic transaction system in WF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 3 hours ago, NukeTheCore said: i said automatic Not gonna happen due to the nature of how trades work here. warframe.market is probably the better option. Personally, if it was me, I would create just such a setup in Maroo's Bazar though... Pay ~5% flat tax for consignment + X% adjustable purchase tax in plat (not to exceed 9%) + applicable surcharges (credits) and our helpful consignment agents will hold and post your goods for you until purchase. Then players get their auction house and it removes plat from circulation for DE at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeclem Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 automated trading makes botting extremely easy. especially in f2p games. it would easily destroy the economy for non paying players, which would destroy the game as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 I agree with the others here. For future reference, when you mention pros and cons please list both, as only describing the alleged benefits can be perceived as misleading to push an agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlusteredFerret Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 hours ago, -AiLuoLi- said: Something like they want trading to have player interaction instead of automated. Maybe so it will be easier to identify potential fraudsters, if there are any complaints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulden Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, FlusteredFerret said: Maybe so it will be easier to identify potential fraudsters, if there are any complaints? Currency of game is paid with irl currency. Don't need bots and sellers stealing credit cards to make money out of this game. Also, since platinum is paid currencyhttps://blog.hoard.exchange/diablo-iiis-failed-auction-house-why-true-ownership-won-t-save-your-game-c6d692b9de1 Players were login and selling, not playing the game. Edited January 12, 2019 by Souldend78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The economy of WF does not benefit from automation. Hurting DE and new players in two heavily contested areas. New prime sales, and vaulted sales. DE banks on player inefficiency when most goods are one time only needed parts per player from a infinite well when available. Goods do not decay. Are not damaged, are not in short supply. Vaulting is at a glacial pace. But flipside, so are unvaultings Here are some disaster scenarios AHs part oversaturation would make new players time in trading more inefficient. So much worse so that buying plat packs would likely be more practical then you can afford a lot of current gear with the cheapest pack... gotta pay to win. DE can't push prime access as well as it used to. That extravagant $50 pack worth $100 but really worth maybe less than $10 in a few days with trading persistence today. Would be easily worth far less in a automated climate. DE makes new primes more rare, basically in retaliation of sinking sales. Just look how D3 did it at first. The AH directly effected gameplay to make it necessary. DE may not be as scummy as actibliz but things could change for the worse. AHs make it easier to bot horde soon to be vaulted items in advance. Freshly vaulted parts can disappear quickly when automated. New players will definitely not afford the coming prices in free to play mode when all unvaulted gear is trash value. You pay up or wait the ~two years for unvault. Bad plat. What happens when people with hacked accounts or stolen cards attack the AH? DE can't even properly protect our small manual trades. You need a support infrastructure for trading that simply doesn't exist currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow-Spawn Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 The trading system really needs a big upgrade by DE in general. At least let us trade every item in the game with no limit and in bulk or without daily maximum trade restrictions, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)zThulsaDoomz Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Shadow-Spawn said: The trading system really needs a big upgrade by DE in general. At least let us trade every item in the game with no limit and in bulk or without daily maximum trade restrictions, etc. This system would undermine the purpose of actually playing the game itself, which brings no benefit to the overall health of the game or DE. Why play new content when I can just trade for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeTheCore Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) hace 4 horas, (XB1)Cubic Clem dijo: Kinda funny when (sometimes accidentally) people try to work around the word auction house .. Impressive. i don't want any kind of auction... i talked about sell and buy... no auction to have better prices... do you want an auction house? i don't.. i just want something similar to warframe.market but with a button to make the transaction immediately. hace 6 horas, (XB1)Thy Divinity dijo: I agree with the others here. For future reference, when you mention pros and cons please list both, as only describing the alleged benefits can be perceived as misleading to push an agenda. I don't think this is a bad feature in any way... everything in life has cons.... if you can't think for yourself, well, don't think at all... and of course i have an.. "agenda"(if you mean that i want to get this implemented, yes, i do).... otherwise i wouldn't make this thread..... -_- What is "Impressive" is how people judge and think bad about other people just because... it's the mirror effect.. Edited January 12, 2019 by NukeTheCore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rakosta_Kai Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, NukeTheCore said: i don't want any kind of auction... i talked about sell and buy... no auction to have better prices... do you want an auction house? i don't.. i just want something similar to warframe.market but with a button to make the transaction immediately. Auction houses tend to have buyout pricing which is what most people bid to in anyway in order to keep from fiddling with it further and/or getting outbid on. ...so that's splitting hairs a bit. 7 minutes ago, NukeTheCore said: I don't think this is a bad feature in any way... everything in life has cons.... if you can't think for yourself, well, don't think at all... and of course i have an.. "agenda"(if you mean that i want to get this implemented, yes, i do).... otherwise i wouldn't make this thread..... -_- What is "Impressive" is how people judge and think bad about other people just because... it's the mirror effect.. Dude...there ain't a single mirror in this scenario. You pointed out all the positives but none of the negatives. ...In this case the cons actually can outweigh the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NukeTheCore Posted January 12, 2019 Share Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) hace 10 minutos, Padre_Akais dijo: You pointed out all the positives but none of the negatives. ...In this case the cons actually can outweigh the pros. I said that if the prices go crazy(this is a con) you still have the Trading chat... And i don't see more cons... how can i think the cons that you think? I'm not a clairvoyant... I asked too.. "What do you think?"... you can list the cons yourself... Cita In this case the cons actually can outweigh the pros. ok.. whenever you want... you are free to say the cons... because just saying this, it doesn't make it real... Edited January 12, 2019 by NukeTheCore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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