Lutesque Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 As someone who has less than 1K hours into the game and gets one shotted by random bull S#&$ left and right.... I wish I had those Arcanes. And this is the main problem with Warframe... The grind required to get some of these buffs to improve your survivability or damage require you to already be able to already have good damage and survivability in the first place to make grinding for them more consistent. The entire reward structure in Warframe is wrong... where the powerful only get more powerful and those who are struggling just get stuck. If you don't want those Arcanes then give them to someone who desperately needs survivability... Atleast that way you would be helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 7 hours ago, SneakyErvin said: But why waste arcanes to make the operator slightly stronger when the only content you really use him in is eidolon hunting? I can understand buffing him for eidolon hunts specifically, but for all other types of content the operator buffs are a complete waste. So the usefull arcanes that are left are the ones that help your frame survive. Or with Repair, yours and everyone elses frame within 20m. Because with all the mods and Arcanes available for your warframe a good build can take care of itself already hell I have no good Arcanes and my builds still take care of themselves. If you need those 2 extra operator slots that bad it's just covering a bad build especially if it's just for healing. And Operator is becoming more featured in content as time goes on. The New War could involve Operator 50/50 with Warframes honestly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 57 minutes ago, (PS4)Yes-Man-Kablaam said: Because with all the mods and Arcanes available for your warframe a good build can take care of itself already hell I have no good Arcanes and my builds still take care of themselves. If you need those 2 extra operator slots that bad it's just covering a bad build especially if it's just for healing. And Operator is becoming more featured in content as time goes on. The New War could involve Operator 50/50 with Warframes honestly. But why not use what is available? It is afterall free and up for grabs. I'll tackle The New War when it comes, but I doubt we will need much operator in it, seeing as how we got Paracesis for Warframe Sentient killing. But before all that comes I rather focus on what we have, which means doing what I can to make the most of my frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted January 26, 2019 Share Posted January 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, SneakyErvin said: But why not use what is available? It is afterall free and up for grabs. I'll tackle The New War when it comes, but I doubt we will need much operator in it, seeing as how we got Paracesis for Warframe Sentient killing. But before all that comes I rather focus on what we have, which means doing what I can to make the most of my frame. That's not an awful thing but if it becomes something you rely on and when the time comes refuse to compromise on it can become a big detriment when things actually call for a strong frame and Operator. You likely see how many people say this or that is "mandatory" in a build already since they actually can't play without it now they grew too comfortable with a very specific setup. I hesitate to say it's a crutch since really anything can be considered that buuut if you're using your Operator to cover faults in the frame leaving them weaker and the frame not self sufficient than I suppose that's what it ends up as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordChronos Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 How about those who do not agree with certain mods just don’t use them? Problem solved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)tissot555 Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 13 hours ago, Lutesque said: As someone who has less than 1K hours into the game and gets one shotted by random bull S#&$ left and right.... I wish I had those Arcanes. And this is the main problem with Warframe... The grind required to get some of these buffs to improve your survivability or damage require you to already be able to already have good damage and survivability in the first place to make grinding for them more consistent. The entire reward structure in Warframe is wrong... where the powerful only get more powerful and those who are struggling just get stuck. If you don't want those Arcanes then give them to someone who desperately needs survivability... Atleast that way you would be helpful. hint: spend some money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)OccultSif Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 On 2019-01-25 at 12:07 PM, Atekron said: 2 arcanes will heal you to full health in fraction of second, and you asking why it's broken? how it's invalidate tanks? why I need to play a tank if I can play high DPS frame, that supposed to be squishy and never die In a fraction of a second? Excuse me? my Mag has around 420 HP and with Magnus Nourish, if I were say at 100HP would take 17 seconds of me either staying in void cloak mode while my health regens or shooting with my space kid. Any higher health frame requires you to be doing nothing, or very little because of space kids amps not doing that much except to weak enemies. It's not overpowered. By your logic, Trinity should be removed too because with the press of a single button EVERYONE in her range gets full shields and full HP basically andit's not like Trinity's Blessing takes long to cast, or cost much for a Trinity. They're Arcanes, they are entirely optional, require a bit of farming, and are less efficient then you're blowing them up to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainJLP Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 Ever since operator in general was introduced, the game became less challenging, and much more, eh boring. While magus elevate is another option you could build your builds around, it just makes the game boring, new ways to evade situations that you couldn't evade before but can now evade with ease isn't really that fun, and ever since focus became more skewed to operators than warframes, it made feeling like a bad ass space ninja feel like playing as a spam 5 every minute simulator, I.e for energy, survival (protective dash), or just evading all damage, or going super fast ruining some warframe kits that weren't really mean't to be fast and such, it also removed some aspects of working as a team. I really enjoyed the parkour of warframes till operators came and dumped on it, that's what I do fear might start happening with Jupiter revamp. Well operators took the thrill away from things when you realized you had a universal temporary easy to use god mode and get me out of here button. Then the magus arcanes came and took some purposes of warframes away. It's my general opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--DSP--Jetstream Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 magus repair better anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuchn Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 you have a point.... can't say i disagree that they make an easy game even more easy BUT warframe is built for the smallest common denominator.... and believe it or not...every time i go public with mobs higher than lvl 30-40 people manage to muck it up. there are multiple threads that say that game mechanic a,b,c should be nerfed because it is too hard ppl complain about something being too grindy when it takes only a couple of hours to get it think of someone with no gaming experience, no sense of how to play a shooter and the intrinsic need for instant gratification... that is the audience WF is built for that is the audience that needs OP stuff to manage sorties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 9 hours ago, (PS4)tissot555 said: hint: spend some money On what ? Potatoes ? Yesterday my Gara got one shotted by a Level 65 Nox right through 400 Shields and 860 HP while splinter storm was active. So what exactly should I be spending money on ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Temp0- Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 K. But first you will return my 24k oxium. Yes you personally. Not developers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 1 minute ago, -Temp0- said: K. But first you will return my 24k oxium. Yes you personally. Not developers. Wait SERIOUSLY ? 24 000 :O ? from a resource that only drops from a specific enemy in tiny quantities ? That's freaking Daylight Robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Temp0- Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 10 минут назад, Lutesque сказал: On what ? Potatoes ? Yesterday my Gara got one shotted by a Level 65 Nox right through 400 Shields and 860 HP while splinter storm was active. So what exactly should I be spending money on ? I smell bull****. I frequently played gara in arbitration WAY past lv 140 and only managed to die once Edited January 27, 2019 by -Temp0- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Temp0- Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 2 минуты назад, Lutesque сказал: Wait SERIOUSLY ? 24 000 😮 ? from a resource that only drops from a specific enemy in tiny quantities ? That's freaking Daylight Robbery. You. Dont. Say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuchn Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 45 minutes ago, -Temp0- said: You. Dont. Say. yepp...the cost of elevate got nerfed.... i didn't farm the 24k oxium (or 48k for 2 sets) but spent 2k pl...each... now if anything was unappropriate it was the cost reduction of this arcane...an arcane that strong should be extremely expensive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)DS Monkfish Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 4 minutes ago, (XB1)Cubic Clem said: Guys, you can stop, we got it all wrong.. the title says "remove from a game", not this one.. so everything's fine 😄 I reckon we should get it removed from FIFA then. That'll show 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, -Temp0- said: I smell bull****. I frequently played gara in arbitration WAY past lv 140 and only managed to die once If you don't believe me then so be it but you could atleast be nicer about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17inchguns Posted January 27, 2019 Share Posted January 27, 2019 En 25/1/2019 a las 17:41, (PS4)tissot555 dijo: Players who complain about a pve game need to be removed from the game. If you dont like it man, just dont use it. Seriously, go to a mirror and ask yourself why you want to ruin things for other people. Really soul search on that. It runs deeper than video games. People like you have been ruining society for years. The rest of us want to move on without you ^this People like op ruining warframe for us by asking for nerfs constantly. As a general note, they should focus more on buffing stuff, at the very least try keep a 50:50 nerf:buff ratio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aramil999 Posted January 30, 2019 Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 2019-01-25 at 4:33 PM, Atekron said: they completely invalidate tanky frames On 2019-01-25 at 4:33 PM, Atekron said: they make survivability mods not worthy mod slot Ok so bring your Titania/Saryn/Mag/Banshee etc. dps warframe to fking Profit Taker fight and see what your Elevate means in front of one shot deaths. Yes, it makes every mission on levels below 60 impossible to die in, BUT YOU SHOULDN'T DIE THERE ANYWAYS. Even without Elevate 99% of game is stupidly easy so removing it wouldn't change a thing. You can just use Party Health Pizzas and have same effect (but you have to craft it, but well I have over 300 and never use it anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atekron Posted January 30, 2019 Author Share Posted January 30, 2019 On 2019-01-27 at 6:13 PM, 17inchguns said: People like op ruining warframe for us by asking for nerfs constantly. As a general note, they should focus more on buffing stuff, at the very least try keep a 50:50 nerf:buff ratio... people like op just voicing their opinion, not asking for nerf when DE destroyed Ember it was nerf, when DE will remove thosearcanes it would be healthy decision for whole game design but worry not, they will not do it, cos players like you constantly whining when something is changing for better game experience although they did remove Spamulor, Boltace and Tonkor so there is still hope... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17inchguns Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 En 30/1/2019 a las 15:56, Atekron dijo: people like op just voicing their opinion, not asking for nerf when DE destroyed Ember it was nerf, when DE will remove thosearcanes it would be healthy decision for whole game design but worry not, they will not do it, cos players like you constantly whining when something is changing for better game experience although they did remove Spamulor, Boltace and Tonkor so there is still hope... The hypocrisy... by that definition "all those players" are just voicing their opinion too. The title is basically asking for the arcanes to be removed, ie a nerf of the worst kind. If you make a thread about them being removed, the objective is preciseley that, there is no other point and is certainky clasified as whining, although passive-agressive. As stated by previous posters, dont like it, dont use it. Another player using them wont have a detrimental effect on your experience. Many other valid points brought up that highlight why your removal petition is nonsensical, start reading and reflecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaes Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 On 2019-01-26 at 1:59 AM, (PS4)robotwars7 said: or you could just use different arcanes. things don't need to be removed from the game just because you disagree with them. the only place this thread is going to is a Lock. try magus lockdown on naramon focus tree. now that is fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makunogo Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 (edited) dont we have a new arcane that heals like 10% /s while in void mode? why does the OP not want that one gone too? just curious lol Edited January 31, 2019 by Makunogo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Skippy575 Posted January 31, 2019 Share Posted January 31, 2019 This thread is still going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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