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I would like this to be a combination of ALL things you've noticed about the update (ie, mod changes, conclave, missions, UI, etc etc). Should reduce clutter. Don't want anything like what was before this update.

 

- Stamina changes = taken too far. I can understand why, a lot of people didn't use the stamina mods, and those that did tended to rush a lot (I used max stamina stuff with a Loki, soloed most bosses in less than 2-3 minutes depending on how many times I derp). This also caused friction in co-op because others don't appreciate the lone rusher. HOWEVER. With an Ash and the stamina recharge, I still felt like I was too slow, especially with the mod. Possible changes:
 

- Get rid of delay (or make the stamina regen at max cancel it)

- Increase base stamina regen to 1.5x whatever it is. With a maxed regen, seemed like I was a *little* faster than without it prior to update. Increasing the value now (whatever it is) to 1.5 makes what I think a fair midpoint between what DE wanted and what I want. Others would also want it back to what it was before. In that case, have the max regen cancel the delay so that some people use it to get rid of the delay.

 

 

- uPnP not on = like the mastery volume previous hotfix. Logged on, warframe told me it wasn't on. Somewhat confused, I go the the settings and realize it's off. It was NOT off before this update. Just like with the mastery volume before, U10 decided to change stuff when I logged in. Not a big deal, but still worthy of a hotfix I would say.

 

- New Golem requires key, which takes time to farm, which also takes time to build = Why?

You're taking a grindy process (with repeated bp drops and consistent no-drops on boss bps), even more of a grind by making the keys to GET the that step tough. It took me 30+ runs to get the volt systems blueprint before. By the end of it, I had over 50 neural sensors (prior to U8, so it only dropped in quantities of 0-1). A few days ago, I farmed Phorid for Nyx, kept getting chassis. Did it in a decent amount of runs, about 15 I think. If farming new Golem takes ANY number between those two, you'll be having a lot of upset players. Add to that that it takes time to build (6 hours I think), and you make it nay impossible to be able to do multiple runs back after back without using platinum to rush building of keys. 

 

My understanding of new locations was that they were orokin maps that did NOT get away into the void. But now we need keys to get to them. If getting rid of the key requirement is unlikely DE, then make it either a constant drop or a good enough drop rate (25% as a minimum). Then, reduce the time to build, or get rid of it as a bp and just have it as an item you can pick up.

 

 

Those three so far. Discuss them and add what other points you have! 

 

 

EDIT: Figured out what Nav Coordinate is. Great, just great.

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-i gotta post this again because well this is exactly how i thought as i found out what you had to do to get the necro

 

 

Lol farm 5 navs..

 

"okay thats ez"...

 

now take those 5 navs constuct an expensive key..

 

"okay 0.o"

 

now take that key and farm 5 more navs but this time they are golem navs,

 

"what?"

 

you will need more than 5 reg navs to get the 5 golem navs....

 

"WTF".

 

okay now that you have spent 25 reg navs to get 5 golem navs you are done...

 

"YEAH!"

 

... NOT HAHAH I WAS fuc king WITH YOU!!

 

":((( sad face"

 

now you must rinse and repeat till you get all the necro gear WHICH COULD TAKE 50 times!!! WOOOOOOOOT......

 

"kills self"

 

NECRO revives me..

 

"kills self again"

 

and the cycle repeats just like that..

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Also, When you go into the choices of planets,(not in the overview) and come out the alert window disappears, the same thing happens for using any of the other windows, I.E. Arsenal, and Foundry......

 

Also this is just my opinion, but i feel hurt that the scarves were made to be bought, seeing as how it was the major thing i was looking forward to, and now ill have to waste alot of my free time watching and waiting for an alert ( if they even will get bp for alerts) just to get one, were as makling them cost either a large amount of credits, or mats would be fine In my opinion, but my opinion doesnt have to matter

 

Now to the point of the Op, I agree with him, making us have to grind and wait and grind more just to get to grind some more and wait some more isn't very helpful in making most of the community happy. But all in all lets hope the major problems get fixed.

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lol you ask for scarves to be creds.. which they should be.. BUT HAS ANYONE noticed the insane prices of the new bs.. 100k for nerco just stop de just stop.. hes new but who cares.. de did a great job with nova.. and im not starting a nova op thread but she was better than most frames.. they messed up there but still overall the way to get nova was fair and her bp cost was also fair.. now we have this hyper-inflation going on.. its perfect!!

 

plat is like silver and gold in times of hyper-inflation and now that we have just millions of creds they are still worthless, cause they either serve no purpose or it takes 100,000 creds for a single bp then another 100k for sent then 40k for a single wep bp etc.. how dumb.

 

these things should not be the cred sinks they were talking about.. this is more about trying to get more money.. what a fail ---> and btw im talking about something that is not needed to be a cred sink.. not something that other players cant get because they are too poor (with creds) and if they nerf the amount you get from voids.. well gg people - "pay to do anything useful"

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I would like this to be a combination of ALL things you've noticed about the update (ie, mod changes, conclave, missions, UI, etc etc). Should reduce clutter. Don't want anything like what was before this update.

 

- Stamina changes = taken too far. I can understand why, a lot of people didn't use the stamina mods, and those that did tended to rush a lot (I used max stamina stuff with a Loki, soloed most bosses in less than 2-3 minutes depending on how many times I derp). This also caused friction in co-op because others don't appreciate the lone rusher. HOWEVER. With an Ash and the stamina recharge, I still felt like I was too slow, especially with the mod. Possible changes:

 

- Get rid of delay (or make the stamina regen at max cancel it)

- Increase base stamina regen to 1.5x whatever it is. With a maxed regen, seemed like I was a *little* faster than without it prior to update. Increasing the value now (whatever it is) to 1.5 makes what I think a fair midpoint between what DE wanted and what I want. Others would also want it back to what it was before. In that case, have the max regen cancel the delay so that some people use it to get rid of the delay.

 

 

- uPnP not on = like the mastery volume previous hotfix. Logged on, warframe told me it wasn't on. Somewhat confused, I go the the settings and realize it's off. It was NOT off before this update. Just like with the mastery volume before, U10 decided to change stuff when I logged in. Not a big deal, but still worthy of a hotfix I would say.

 

- New Golem requires key, which takes time to farm, which also takes time to build = Why?

You're taking a grindy process (with repeated bp drops and consistent no-drops on boss bps), even more of a grind by making the keys to GET the that step tough. It took me 30+ runs to get the volt systems blueprint before. By the end of it, I had over 50 neural sensors (prior to U8, so it only dropped in quantities of 0-1). A few days ago, I farmed Phorid for Nyx, kept getting chassis. Did it in a decent amount of runs, about 15 I think. If farming new Golem takes ANY number between those two, you'll be having a lot of upset players. Add to that that it takes time to build (6 hours I think), and you make it nay impossible to be able to do multiple runs back after back without using platinum to rush building of keys. 

 

My understanding of new locations was that they were orokin maps that did NOT get away into the void. But now we need keys to get to them. If getting rid of the key requirement is unlikely DE, then make it either a constant drop or a good enough drop rate (25% as a minimum). Then, reduce the time to build, or get rid of it as a bp and just have it as an item you can pick up.

 

 

Those three so far. Discuss them and add what other points you have! 

 

 

EDIT: What's a nav coordinate??? Got it from a loot locker. Is it towards building one of these keys...?

 

 

-i gotta post this again because well this is exactly how i thought as i found out what you had to do to get the necro

 

 

Lol farm 5 navs..

 

"okay thats ez"...

 

now take those 5 navs constuct an expensive key..

 

"okay 0.o"

 

now take that key and farm 5 more navs but this time they are golem navs,

 

"what?"

 

you will need more than 5 reg navs to get the 5 golem navs....

 

"WTF".

 

okay now that you have spent 25 reg navs to get 5 golem navs you are done...

 

"YEAH!"

 

... NOT HAHAH I WAS fuc king WITH YOU!!

 

":((( sad face"

 

now you must rinse and repeat till you get all the necro gear WHICH COULD TAKE 50 times!!! WOOOOOOOOT......

 

"kills self"

 

NECRO revives me..

 

"kills self again"

 

and the cycle repeats just like that..

pretty much summed up my feelings on U10 biggest FAIL yet!!

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-i gotta post this again because well this is exactly how i thought as i found out what you had to do to get the necro

 

 

Lol farm 5 navs..

 

"okay thats ez"...

 

now take those 5 navs constuct an expensive key..

 

"okay 0.o"

 

now take that key and farm 5 more navs but this time they are golem navs,

 

"what?"

 

you will need more than 5 reg navs to get the 5 golem navs....

 

"WTF".

 

okay now that you have spent 25 reg navs to get 5 golem navs you are done...

 

"YEAH!"

 

... NOT HAHAH I WAS fuc king WITH YOU!!

 

":((( sad face"

 

now you must rinse and repeat till you get all the necro gear WHICH COULD TAKE 50 times!!! WOOOOOOOOT......

 

"kills self"

 

NECRO revives me..

 

"kills self again"

 

and the cycle repeats just like that..

 

I was so excited, staying up for U10 to come out so I can (of course) buy some scarves and try them out because of @(*()$ course they're going to make that S#&$ P2W (W=Look cool). 

 

Then I realized that farming with my friends to get the Nekros isn't actually going to be fun. It's going to suck, and suck god damn hard. +6 hours of working up enough to make some normal Keys to go farm for an even more expensive Key for a pretty cool boss fight for a stupidly low chance of getting even a chassis blueprint drop for the new Warframe.

 

Are you @(*()$ serious? Are you really expecting people to farm for that long, sink in THAT much resources and credits just for a shot at the Nekros and a look at the new boss? Daaaaaaaaamn. I wouldn't be so pissed if everything just didn't suck about this update

 

Oh wait, I guess I can add some more frames in my FPS w/ multicore rendering. Werth.

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I don't know who get the concept of making key to get the boss,It's wasting of time and how much do we need to get 1 boss key and how much time we need to spent before getting new item... what's wrong with them... and the stamina... it's making game slower,a lot slower. I might stop playing till they fix this. It's no longer a game,it's working...wasting so much time on it with no money return.

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these things should not be the cred sinks they were talking about.. this is more about trying to get more money.. what a fail ---> and btw im talking about something that is not needed to be a cred sink.. not something that other players cant get because they are too poor (with creds) and if they nerf the amount you get from voids.. well gg people - "pay to do anything useful"

Honestly, i have well over a necessary amount of credits, and i would be okay for a scarf to be 200k creds, and maybe make necro 50k or 75k, They even said that the secondary motion of the scarf would bring some more candy(using my thoughts for a word here), to the eyes, well not unless you can throw 5 dollars at it or hope that the daily reward could be a 75% off plat so you can spend that 2$ your saving for that moments.......

 

And my god, having to grind for a BP to Grind for a BP after the bp is done(3 hours later) Then wait 6 hours for the other bp to be done to try to farm for one Bp of necro......

 

I've been fine with DE so far but man this one really got me to have to speak my mind.... funny how my complaints are mainly about scarves :(  lol

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