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5 minutes ago, Urlan said:

The twitters imply next week for the update, this Friday for a Devworkshop thread. The Devstream was moved to next week mentioning that this update is being worked on for next week.

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hace 21 horas, RedToothKaki dijo:

the tenno masamune that was suppose to be released with revenant (people keep calling it a two - handed katana, which literally, that's what a masamune is). AND everyone was super hyped for it since it was coming with its own stance.... I like how they didn't even mention this weapon since a rather large majority of the community was hoping for a new weapon type in game.

the giant grineer digging robots that were suppose to be in poe that got scrapped.

the chainsaw melee from ghouls that were said do-able and constantly asked for

hydroid,zephyr, mesa prime trailers are obviously not going to happen.

Khora took like 6 months (still don't know how you rush and delay something at the same time)

2018 -- every update was for tennogen for the same warframes over and over just about. 

2019 -- all but 3 warframe partners completely left warframe for anthem and apex. MEANWHILE, OUR LAST UPDATE WAS LITERALLY DECEMBER 18TH, 2018.

to be honest, we've should've already gotten hildryn last month. and then this month should've been equinox prime, next month wisp, after that ivara prime, and so on. But that's IF warframe was still dedicated to this release "windows" of theirs -- they've fallen off. Hildryn is about to be 2 months delayed come march 1st.

and in between those release dates somewhere -- all the "events" and "content" they promised on their little whiteboard.

*looks around*

where they at?

oh war on grineer, corpus, and infested?

*If you're a newer player the rewards from them are arguably "ok"*

a primed variant of a warframe that has no synergy anymore, get ready to use one ability over and over. Oh, you only get 10 of each relic, don't forget about rngesus where it normally takes at max 20 rads for that one primed part you want. Although I remember needing literally 54 rads for mirage prime when she first came out.

boosters?

who actually needs boosters? affinity, resource, credit boosters? 

oh right, newer players. 

ember and frost prime unvaulting.

….is ember prime even worthe 40p rn? Literally, if I had a set I would just give her away for free to some poor and unfortunate soul who for some reason wants her. 

 

Someone had to say it. 

Well done. 

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On 2019-02-20 at 2:15 AM, lexandritte said:

Are we getting workshops or updates this week?

No the devs are busy playing anthem.

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23 hours ago, RedToothKaki said:

the tenno masamune that was suppose to be released with revenant (people keep calling it a two - handed katana, which literally, that's what a masamune is). AND everyone was super hyped for it since it was coming with its own stance.... I like how they didn't even mention this weapon since a rather large majority of the community was hoping for a new weapon type in game.

the giant grineer digging robots that were suppose to be in poe that got scrapped.

the chainsaw melee from ghouls that were said do-able and constantly asked for

hydroid,zephyr, mesa prime trailers are obviously not going to happen.

Khora took like 6 months (still don't know how you rush and delay something at the same time)

2018 -- every update was for tennogen for the same warframes over and over just about. 

2019 -- all but 3 warframe partners completely left warframe for anthem and apex. MEANWHILE, OUR LAST UPDATE WAS LITERALLY DECEMBER 18TH, 2018.

to be honest, we've should've already gotten hildryn last month. and then this month should've been equinox prime, next month wisp, after that ivara prime, and so on. But that's IF warframe was still dedicated to this release "windows" of theirs -- they've fallen off. Hildryn is about to be 2 months delayed come march 1st.

and in between those release dates somewhere -- all the "events" and "content" they promised on their little whiteboard.

*looks around*

where they at?

oh war on grineer, corpus, and infested?

*If you're a newer player the rewards from them are arguably "ok"*

a primed variant of a warframe that has no synergy anymore, get ready to use one ability over and over. Oh, you only get 10 of each relic, don't forget about rngesus where it normally takes at max 20 rads for that one primed part you want. Although I remember needing literally 54 rads for mirage prime when she first came out.

boosters?

who actually needs boosters? affinity, resource, credit boosters? 

oh right, newer players. 

ember and frost prime unvaulting.

….is ember prime even worthe 40p rn? Literally, if I had a set I would just give her away for free to some poor and unfortunate soul who for some reason wants her. 

 

masamune was actually tied to melee 3.0 just heads up.anyone who thinks we would be getting that before melee 3.0 has to be kidding themselves.

probably because it was going to be a bad idea. things get scrapped in development process all the time. 

never heard of a ghoul with a chain saw.

you know fortuna, garuda, sacrifice, umbra, reverent, baruuk, chimera quest, also a bunch of new mods and weapons.  was in 2018 not 2019. so n tennogen was not the "only thing."

"completely left warframe."  RIGHHHT. if you watched any of there actual video you would realize none of them are actually enjoying anthem.

Warframes never had a dedicated release window. things get finished when they are finished. if you think your some god at programming, art design, animation, etc and can determine when they should meet "YOUR TIME TABLE."  then go apply to DE.

how i read the rest of your post.

"Me, Myself, and I."

your not the only player DE has to cater too.

How dare DE make stuff for new player. ( I smell elitism entitlement)

personally as some one whos played this game since 2013 i will be glad to have  affinity weekend so when i have to burn my opticor for opticor vandel it doesn't take an age to get that 7 foruma on it.and i actually am running low on credits after having to endo some primed mods fully and build a bunch of experimental kitguns and zaws so again speak for yourself.  54 raids for mirage? sounds exaggerated. i only needed 10. try running with friends. (and if you don't have friends go and make some)  I've had bigger issues getting none primes then primes. and the only time i ever spent money on this game.  50$ back in 2014 and that was for a bunch of color palettes.

also people are always going to want a prime frame. regardless of YOUR opinion on them. be it for the mass amount of mastery rank they give or just to try out there kit. or hell just to have them.

has DE slowed down on updating with new content?

yes is that necessarily a bad thing? no.

shesh how short everyone memories are i remember when people complained about DE releasing to much stuff and not working on bigger projects. now after they start working on bigger projects  like railjack, the new war, wolfs of saturn, completely reworking Jupiter and scrapping alert system for a brand new system.

all of a sudden everyone changes tack to "NOT ENOUGH UPDATES WHAA."

design-patterns-for-mobile-applications-

you want big updates with lots of stuff, then your going to have to wait longer. you want fast releases the your going to have to put up with lots of buggy messes and coding issues.

you can't have both.

 

 

the only complaint i can agree with is the prime trailers.

 

but honestly they don't really do much in terms of gameplay.

 

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1 hour ago, hazerddex said:

masamune was actually tied to melee 3.0 just heads up.anyone who thinks we would be getting that before melee 3.0 has to be kidding themselves.

probably because it was going to be a bad idea. things get scrapped in development process all the time. 

never heard of a ghoul with a chain saw.

you know fortuna, garuda, sacrifice, umbra, reverent, baruuk, chimera quest, also a bunch of new mods and weapons.  was in 2018 not 2019. so n tennogen was not the "only thing."

"completely left warframe."  RIGHHHT. if you watched any of there actual video you would realize none of them are actually enjoying anthem.

Warframes never had a dedicated release window. things get finished when they are finished. if you think your some god at programming, art design, animation, etc and can determine when they should meet "YOUR TIME TABLE."  then go apply to DE.

how i read the rest of your post.

"Me, Myself, and I."

your not the only player DE has to cater too.

How dare DE make stuff for new player. ( I smell elitism entitlement)

personally as some one whos played this game since 2013 i will be glad to have  affinity weekend so when i have to burn my opticor for opticor vandel it doesn't take an age to get that 7 foruma on it.and i actually am running low on credits after having to endo some primed mods fully and build a bunch of experimental kitguns and zaws so again speak for yourself.  54 raids for mirage? sounds exaggerated. i only needed 10. try running with friends. (and if you don't have friends go and make some)  I've had bigger issues getting none primes then primes. and the only time i ever spent money on this game.  50$ back in 2014 and that was for a bunch of color palettes.

also people are always going to want a prime frame. regardless of YOUR opinion on them. be it for the mass amount of mastery rank they give or just to try out there kit. or hell just to have them.

has DE slowed down on updating with new content?

yes is that necessarily a bad thing? no.

shesh how short everyone memories are i remember when people complained about DE releasing to much stuff and not working on bigger projects. now after they start working on bigger projects  like railjack, the new war, wolfs of saturn, completely reworking Jupiter and scrapping alert system for a brand new system.

all of a sudden everyone changes tack to "NOT ENOUGH UPDATES WHAA."

design-patterns-for-mobile-applications-

you want big updates with lots of stuff, then your going to have to wait longer. you want fast releases the your going to have to put up with lots of buggy messes and coding issues.

you can't have both.

 

 

the only complaint i can agree with is the prime trailers.

 

but honestly they don't really do much in terms of gameplay.

 

1. the masamune wasn't tied into melee 3.0, it was literally revenant's original signature weapon before it was changed to phantasma. (why do you think the masamune had revenant's style to it -- the whole ghostly sentient look? and if you had watched that dev stream when they had first showed it off -- THEY LITERALLY SAID IT THEMSELVES "THIS IS COMING WITH REVENANT" where it at then?)

2. the fact that you havn't heard nor seen the ghoul chainsaws nor the whole debate on making it a weapon wieldable by tenno nor the dev stream where the guy literally said "we're working on it" --  speaks volumes.

3. after the ghoul chainsaw quote I skipped everything else you had typed since I assumed it would be as ignorant as the previous two points.

4. this isn't a big update. its a new warframe/warframe bundle. a new quest for the warframe. and melee 2.9. GRANTED --- after waiting this long for it, I'm willing to bet that they're going to try and toss in the whole wolf of Saturn thing and Jupiter tyle set's rework into this update and maybe the next tennogen round -- because -- my god this game is dry af right now, and it needs a big update at this point.

5. "you want big updates with lots of stuff, then your going to have to wait longer. you want fast releases the your going to have to put up with lots of buggy messes and coding issues. you can't have both." -- first off, yes you can get a fast release of new content with absolutely 0 bugs. try playing literally any other game besides warframe that fits (popular/good games obviously). Secondly, never in the history of warframe has DE ever released an update that was bug free no matter how long we were forced to wait. So please, don't even try to defend them on that aspect, its just laughable. A for effort to DE though, they're getting a little bit better at the scripting.

Oh, btw -- I scrolled up for a moment to actually try to read what you said and .. i'm sorry how long have you played warframe to actually think warframes didn't have a release window? I've already explained the whole release windows thing -- i'm not going to read the rest of this, please refer back to point 3 as to why lol

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2 hours ago, hazerddex said:

masamune was actually tied to melee 3.0 just heads up.anyone who thinks we would be getting that before melee 3.0 has to be kidding themselves.

oh one last thing I want to mention -- Khora was the one who was tied into melee 3.0 because originally her 3rd ability was going to switch her damage types out between puntuce,impact, and slash. They wanted to figure out how to tone down slash while also making puncture and (especially) impact better or just as good. Which is why she got delayed and rushed at the same time for I think 6 months then got nerfed and buffed and buffed some more as well as your usual bug fixes.

 

that is all

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36 minutes ago, RedToothKaki said:

1. the masamune wasn't tied into melee 3.0, it was literally revenant's original signature weapon before it was changed to phantasma. (why do you think the masamune had revenant's style to it -- the whole ghostly sentient look? and if you had watched that dev stream when they had first showed it off -- THEY LITERALLY SAID IT THEMSELVES "THIS IS COMING WITH REVENANT" where it at then?)

2. the fact that you havn't heard nor seen the ghoul chainsaws nor the whole debate on making it a weapon wieldable by tenno nor the dev stream where the guy literally said "we're working on it" --  speaks volumes.

3. after the ghoul chainsaw quote I skipped everything else you had typed since I assumed it would be as ignorant as the previous two points.

4. this isn't a big update. its a new warframe/warframe bundle. a new quest for the warframe. and melee 2.9. GRANTED --- after waiting this long for it, I'm willing to bet that they're going to try and toss in the whole wolf of Saturn thing and Jupiter tyle set's rework into this update and maybe the next tennogen round -- because -- my god this game is dry af right now, and it needs a big update at this point.

5. "you want big updates with lots of stuff, then your going to have to wait longer. you want fast releases the your going to have to put up with lots of buggy messes and coding issues. you can't have both." -- first off, yes you can get a fast release of new content with absolutely 0 bugs. try playing literally any other game besides warframe that fits (popular/good games obviously). Secondly, never in the history of warframe has DE ever released an update that was bug free no matter how long we were forced to wait. So please, don't even try to defend them on that aspect, its just laughable. A for effort to DE though, they're getting a little bit better at the scripting.

Oh, btw -- I scrolled up for a moment to actually try to read what you said and .. i'm sorry how long have you played warframe to actually think warframes didn't have a release window? I've already explained the whole release windows thing -- i'm not going to read the rest of this, please refer back to point 3 as to why lol

what you think your saying. "I have a very educated objective opinion."

what your actually saying "but what about ME it should be what I WANT. not about new players or other players or players who play differently then ME!"

they actually mention melee 3.0 in dev stream. anyone who paying attention knows that it would actually be tied to that and not the reverent. you honestly think they would release an entire new weapon type for melee while they were working on melee 3.0? only to have to go back and rework that entire weapon type again to fit with melee 3.0

oh god i don't know/care ghoul enemies weapon as a melee weapon when we literally are bleeding  melee weapons out the wood works  how dare i have an opinion.

says the person who thinks fortuna, garuda, sacrifice, umbra, reverent, baruuk, chimera quest, also a bunch of new mods and weapons. were not released in 2018 and only tenno gen was. where were you during 2018?

like how the war within had a release window that it met. oh wait. or the sacrifice. oh wait it didn't or UMBRA. yes i am notice a release window?l of no release windows?

its shows how little you know what your talking about when you say railjack, the new enemy faction, new war, completely reworking how alerts work, melee 3.0 which will overhaul the  dozens melee mods. isn't a big update.

also DE doesn't have AAA work force size. expecting AAA timing when most AAA game companies can't even deliver on the quality warframe has is kinda sad.

also

dark souls 1-3 all still have bugs.

monster hunter world has bugs

Doom 2016 still has bugs

Xcom 2 has bugs that never got patched and have to be modded to fix.

elder scrolls skyrim (what ever edition.) still has bugs

 

Image result for you're a sad strange little man

this is not a debate your too self centered to actually be considered some one to debate with.

also your 3rd. "point." shows your not good at debates.

only shows you have no actual counter argument and are trying to blow it off. but nice strawman.

 

 

as for your other comment with khora that was for damage 3.0 not melee 3.0

(which we still don't have damage 3.0 probably after they sort out melee weapons.)

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It's strange that so many want to give DE passes on some of the bug-laden messes that get tossed out and never fixed. The team is smaller than some studios, but it's tiny by no means. The issue with the continual bugs is development that runs all over the place with too little focus on finishing touches and clean up. The UI update is incomplete and was released in an unnecessarily unpolished state. PoE still has bugs that have existed since it's launch, some of which end up making entire runs go to waste. Fortuna has its own suite of bugs. Weapons/cosmetics get broken during updates and languish that way for months; sometimes they never get fixed. Frame rates have never returned to max for some people since the particle update and despite sending in logs as requested the source of the issue has never been located and repaired.

I give credit where it's do and am glad to see things like the removal of raids in order to repair them to a functional state. I wish things along those lines were the focus of more development time going forward so that the game could really shine in all the ways it's capable of doing so. It sounds like the Gas City update might be more in that vein so here's hoping. Fixing what already exists and making it work as it should will yield a lot more retention than pumping out broken content. There's lots already in the game that's underutilized and again, from the sound of the roadmap the focus is on rounding out and revamping current systems and making what comes next turn out for the best. I'd love it if more players supported the idea of the happy middle ground of content balanced with fixes rather than running headlong towards and constantly shouting for something new.

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@hazerddex Quality takes time?

Yes normally, but just look at the recent content they released, especially For Tuna took forever and was as buggy/flawed as PoE.

Nothing against defending your favourite game/developers, but without criticism DE wont ever improve (atleast if they aknowledge the criticism)

and it wasnt even a good defense either...

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On 2019-02-13 at 10:39 PM, [DE]Steve said:

waiting

for "Enemy and AI" feedback subforum.

No, seriously...enemies are stagnated.

     From recent previevs i only saw hit reaction improvement.  Do they duck and dash to cover after getting damaged? Not that clever yet. 

Also, Melee 3.0 Enemy tweaks?  Heavy units getting resistant to staggers, melee launching and CC abilities, while Lighter ones can recover from knockdown faster.... or something like that?

Better melee attacks for enemies? Let em use their Sheev/Prova fast too?  Give em ability to block "simple" combos? Heavy, block breaking attacks?

 

Need that subforum anyways.  You know...The Data. Forum Chorus. 

 

#makethesergeantgreatagain.

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3 hours ago, Kainosh said:

for "Enemy and AI" feedback subforum.

No, seriously...enemies are stagnated.

     From recent previevs i only saw hit reaction improvement.  Do they duck and dash to cover after getting damaged? Not that clever yet. 

Also, Melee 3.0 Enemy tweaks?  Heavy units getting resistant to staggers, melee launching and CC abilities, while Lighter ones can recover from knockdown faster.... or something like that?

Better melee attacks for enemies? Let em use their Sheev/Prova fast too?  Give em ability to block "simple" combos? Heavy, block breaking attacks?

 

Need that subforum anyways.  You know...The Data. Forum Chorus. 

 

#makethesergeantgreatagain.

Take my upvote.

Enemy ability use could use a look. Maybe cut down on the spam and instead have enemies try to combo abilities instead? Fewer instances of CC and the like under more predictable conditions (and thus, more reasonable dodgeable) but more significant if you get caught.

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@@[DE]Steve

looks like a lot to get done / hopefully not super stressful.

  • Any chance there will be a Riven mod capacity adjustment....  (90 doesn't seem to be enough for every weapon in game)
  • Syndicate Weapon additions?
  • Any chance to add a module for the ship (missing one to the right of the syndicate - maybe an earth/cetus clock)?
  • Tennogen Noggles?
  • Umbral Forma's?
  • Lunaro Rework/removal?
  • PVP-Conclave - rework (go in with normal builds / no conclave load out)?
  • Dojo room capacity increase (since we're crafting rooms for decorating / contests)

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