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Riven Trading & Toolbuilders: Coming Changes

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huh, you do realize this is mostly pointless, knowing values still doesn't stop players from making the same question that happens in pretty much all trades, they ask "how much?"

The seller then specifies a price and the buyer sees if the budget they have is whitin range. So data on it almost irrelevant, you still need to ask and talk to the seller itself.

Going in to a trade with mentalities and statements such as:

  • "price is X"
  • "you are selling  it to cheap"
  • "you are selling for a value way to high"
  • "your budget is way to high, you shouldn't be buying X item for that much"

These are directly linked with poor trading conduct, even if you have data, you still need to chat with the player, you cannot go out of your way and decide how much someone else should spend on rivens, i'm in charge of my own game and i decide how much i should spend on a specific item, my sugestion is for other players to get this idea straight, to decide on your own, your budgets and your prices and if a trade is good or not for you. Again deciding on your own on your own trades, not the players next to you.

I understand you're trying to fix an issue with botting being used by only some players, but there are thousands of players with dozzens of rivens each, they can't monopolize the market, because many players already do their own decisions, sure they might have been exploiting the nature of the "god rivens" and using bots to quickly nail a good profit, but i don't believe you will be changing much, profit can still be made.

My sugestion is to invest resources into black market dealers and alt accounts for storing rivens, because when high amounts of platinum and primed chamber are involved, there is an oddly coincidence with the black market and nuked accounts, but that's me.

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Finally a voice of reason.  Don't get it twisted I'm all about a free market system but the outright abuse that I've witnessed is finally being dealt with.

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Yeah I don't understand. Its a free market. People put a price and then some people are willing to pay it or not. How are you going to enforce a specific price? Are you going to introduce a way to obtain specific rivens for plat from non-player sources? For example, If i want a rubico riven i am beholden to the extremely inflated market price. Which is why I don't own a Rubico riven. @[DE]Rebecca can you clarify a little bit? I'm pretty confused.

Any tool that says a riven is worth X shouldnt be taken seriously anyways. A riven is worth what someone will pay. If a new player falls prey to predatory pricing, that's on them. Do some research and sit in trade chat for a few hours. Due diligence people. You don't just buy something without shopping around.

Why not just create an ingame pricing trend model that players can look at. Why should an external source shoulder the responsibility of protecting the player from predatory pricing? Whales are still gonna pay overinflated prices for Rivens, and that will drive the average up, but hey, more information IS always better, so play on i guess.

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This sounds like a fantastic addition for the toolmakers.

As a side note, I hope that DE considers in the future opening up more the API to allow more cool stuff to be done by the community.

I can only imagine the kinds of interesting apps being developed by the creative minds within the Warframe community that could be able to extend the game to entirely new levels.

Thanks DE!

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45 minutes ago, [DE]Rebecca said:

We are going to try doing this because we think it will allow fairer trading to occur with a standard baseline. Because Rivens vary in stats, we expect subjective value discussions to still take place.

How about a cap in trade per plat to discourage exorbitant pricing? I totally agree riven prices are subjective, and I've happily paid high pices for rivens before (and sold stuff for a pretty penny) but 10k+ is objectively too much. IMO a single riven shouldn't sell for more than $200 worth of plat (without discount).

The whole riven system needs to be looked at again, both in terms of trading and rerolling.  This is a nice first step, but if its the end of it, I'll be profoundly disappointed. How about allowing us to lock a single stat from being rerolled for some sort of insane amount of kuva, like 300k? We'd still have to farm a ton, but we wouldn't have to rely purely on RNG.

Also, does this mean the tool semlar had which let us filter rivens posted in trade chat by time, positives/negatives, weapon type, and asking price is gone? This was the closest thing we had to an auction house and I found it to be an excellent convenience. I don't have the time to sit in trade chat 24/7, so using this once every 12 hours was very helpful, it was the closest thing we had to an auction house.

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1 minute ago, Valkyr-Umbra said:

How about a cap in trade per plat to discourage exorbitant pricing? I totally agree riven prices are subjective, and I've happily paid high pices for rivens before, but 10k+ is objectively too much.

Anybody who would pay 10k plat for any riven needs their head examined.  Plat is in game currency not real money.  No one that I know can put plat in a will or take plat with it them to their graves.

 

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That's fantastic. Very Nice, well done.

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Posted (edited)

Great news.
Gotta love how what they tried to do turned on them so nicely lol.

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Good.  It's a shame it took an incident to get this going.

The Riven market has always been a shark market taking advantage of other players due to it's subjective nature and a lack of knowledge in many cases on the in-depth complexities of the damage system. I would argue Disposition ratings often have this problem as well.

A player is not simply selling an item. They're selling stats which takes a great deal more knowledge about the game to make an informed decision something the general gameplay of Warframe does not demand of it's players and therefor problematic when assigning value to these stats.

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2 hours ago, ---PV---Sniga said:

Still a bit sad how the last Tactical Potato video is spreading massive misinformation, as he actually has 0 knowledge about barely any of the topics he said there, and newer players now took his word for law and are on a witch hunt for people from Riven Dealers, which actually have nothing to do with this. 

 

"and are on a witch hunt for people from Riven Dealers, which actually have nothing to do with this. " Bruh, there are literal screenshots of their clan leader gloating about the ban. While it might have been unprofessional from TP to go into this issue like that, Riven Dealers ARE guilty.

Edit: I have read your edited comment. It seems there are a lot of things that we do not know about. The truth seems to be somewhere in the middle. What makes me wonder, though, is how come no one else knew about this premium riven hunting app? I am yet to find a person which is not associated to RD that knew about it. I wont jump to any conclusions this time but it is fishy I must say.

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Something ingame and easy to use would be helpful too

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What about that auctionhouse or something similar, the kind of thing people asked about for years. Something that would make scamming far more difficult, even if it would subsequently diminish your income thanks to people abusing the current system?It´s not merely an issue with the Rivenmarket, but the entire trading system, the impact is simply higher with Rivens due to the incredible RNG that goes into them.

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thats not how mafia works

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13 minutes ago, ---PV---Sniga said:

Still a bit sad how the last Tactical Potato video is spreading massive misinformation, as he actually has 0 knowledge about barely any of the topics he said there, and newer players now took his word for law and are on a witch hunt for people from Riven Dealers, which actually have nothing to do with this. 

Did we see the same screenshots?? Was it not their clan leader who did all of this and even admitted it? Do private discords with trade tracker bots which people made tons of profit of not exist? What about that screenshot that was circulating with 13 million platinum on the account? Was that gotten through fair trade as well? Come on..

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Posted (edited)

Huh, well this will be interesting. I'm honestly a bit confused reading that. I don't like the idea of groups manipulating the trade chat (my understanding of what's been going on), but I've always liked that some people are willing to pay more for certain items. For example when a new prime weapon comes out that is top tier in terms of damage. How much people pay for that weapon changes drastically in a few days. I imagine the riven prices for that weapon also change drastically in those few days. 

So I'm wondering how that will be factored into all this. Seems like it depends on too many things for a reliable baseline. Some people are always willing to pay more, and a seller wants to best price obviously. An auction system would work out nicely I feel. But who knows, depends how it's implemented. 

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As long as this data doesn't contain player names then it's all good.

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Wouldn't it be better to cut out the need to use 3rd party websites and programs for trading? I'm not talking about an auction house, but a "marketboard" where players would list their WTB, WTT and WTS offers and others could check it out and see all prices at one glance. The board would show online / offline status, a short note like "usually online around 9pm gmt+3" and the offers on the board would stay there as long as the player refreshes them once a week to avoid cluttering up from players who aren't actvie anymore. Everything else about trading would stay the same; we'd need to contact the other person, agree on price, setup the trade and so on. So basically warframe.market, but ingame.

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Hey, Reb.

Is there any news as to when Riven Slot limit will increase? I know it's server-sided stored data and all that, but 90/90 limitation is pretty harsh and I've been just deleting Rivens that I wasn't gonna use non-stop for 3 months for sorties. Would be nice to get it increased over time (was hoping it would happen with Fortuna, but oh well).

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Just now, Leyvonne said:

Wouldn't it be better to cut out the need to use 3rd party websites and programs for trading? I'm not talking about an auction house, but a "marketboard" where players would list their WTB, WTT and WTS offers and others could check it out and see all prices at one glance. The board would show online / offline status, a short note like "usually online around 9pm gmt+3" and the offers on the board would stay there as long as the player refreshes them once a week to avoid cluttering up from players who aren't actvie anymore. Everything else about trading would stay the same; we'd need to contact the other person, agree on price, setup the trade and so on. So basically warframe.market, but ingame.

This is kinda what the semlar trade bot did. It just showed you rivens that were listed and you could organize based on weapon or stat. This is the type of convenience trading should have. Not sitting in trade chat for 5 hours hoping you see something you like.I totally support an ingame market where people can list their stuff.

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Posted (edited)

Put in an auction house please. 

For some reason DE thinks an auction house will decrease Plat sales. I have not bought any plat since I avoid the trade chat. It's a horrible inefficient system that I do not wish to spend time on. Having an nice AH to looks at items to buy would tempt me for sure. 

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