Riven Trading & Toolbuilders: Coming Changes

[Helleborr]

I like how there's an endless stream of arguments in defense of the price gougers, and they themselves talking here like they've done nothing wrong. It's not like price gouging is a punishable offense in all regulated financial systems on the planet or anything. 😉

Regardless, with DE letting the price gougers get away with no repercussions the price gouging will continue, and in time maybe the community will wisen up and largely stop buying rivens, knowing that they're overpaying to people that consider them "insects". I sure am not gonna be buying any rivens in the observable future, unless this practice is prevented completely.

On 2019-03-06 at 6:45 PM, [DE]Rebecca said:

However in that time, there have been some instances of very mob-justice practices taking place that are below the honor of the Tenno. We all lift together - reports can be sent in to support where appropriate.

Oh and DE, just so you know, I don't lift together with no price gougers. They hurt the community for personal gain, and that's just not something I can get behind.

[Sniga]

8 hours ago, Xaxma said:

I don't agree that the app was something he could monetize, but I also don't think it needed to be shut down because the service it provided was something players have been begging for years, which was a convenient way to provide riven price data in an unbiased fashion and thus offer perspective that could keep prices under control. It's not enough if there is simply a statistical medium because said statistics can be manipulated with a large enough of a constituency so as to create a monopoly, which is something that can easily be orchestrated by such a riven mafia.

Yes, it is. The trade was initiated by the pressure of a false, artificially created trade environment where greed and monopolizing created unrealistic trade expectations. Many people would obviously prefer to get their real money's worth out of a riven they earned, but the hostility of the nature of trade chat pressures people into giving it up sooner and for far cheaper because the waters are full of sharks such as yourself who simply don't want to give a fair deal, because otherwise they'd spend their time in trade chat all day looking for the one person who would be genuinely interested. This little trade mini-game is just manipulating money, and there are people who actually spend more time sitting here trading than actually playing the game, which is pathetic. This wouldn't happen if we had an auction house.

You can calmly and honestly admit, with total, undeniable penitence and accountability, that the intent behind censoring data was malicious and motivated by greed which is heralded by the perspective that such a tool would threaten these shark-like practices, which it did and it's wrong. I'm not young. I know about the nature of people and what it takes to motivate people to go after a relatively harmless practice. You're not DE's legal enforcers. It wasn't motivated to enforce the ToS. You're just a scared mafia. I can't be misinformed about that.

You realize how stupid that sounds right? I had to go back to this just because of how goofy it sounded on second reading. It's about as good of an excuse as the evil twin plot, or the "my brother got on my account" meme. This tells me at the end of the day all I need to know about how your position works. 

And you lost.

You don't agree the app was something he could monetize, yet I saw a 5$ fee to use it. And if you're talking about Semlars site being shut down - I'll say it again and again - we didn't want the Semlar site to go down. DE was informed of the harm of RivenHunter, the fact they nuked his bots is DE's action. Faceless simply informed them of the situation and its possible harm.

I struggle to understand your point there, but it's the persons fault for cracking under "pressure", I also get offered low prices. There's no pressure, don't like the offer, say "No thanks, bye". And yeah, a lot of people do sit trade chat more than play the game, because there is absolutely nothing to do in the game. I started this when I was MR26 and I seriously can't find a single thing to do anymore. For over half a year now.. Idk about the auction house, I heard it ruined some games economy and it helped some. That I really have no idea about. I guess it would be good? I'm down for it. 

And again, you keep missing my point and the whole point behind the Semlar ban. Censoring what data? I keep telling you all we don't want Semlars site to go down. Faceless didn't intend that to happen. We wanted to kill RivenHunter. I don't even understand what you're trying to say with half of those sentences. And again, the tool didn't threaten sniping rivens. It would make the process a 100 times easier and would give massive power to Riven traders that used it. You should be thankful it's down now. If it wasnt banned and we started abusing it, you realise that not a single good/perfect riven would get by the "sharks".. 

Yes, Faceless instantly changed his name because he knew the mob would come at him without even knowing the full picture, so he had already went off the radar. I do realise it sounds stupid, but theres so much stuff wrong with all thats happening, it's just one of the things people don't care to think about. 

I lost? I didn't know you see this as you're winning something. I'm just trying to tell you the truth. If you consider following the misinformed and ignorant herd a win, so be it.

P.S. Faceless is MR26 and the impostor had only 2k hours. I don't know how else to prove it anymore..

[(PSN)nating51]

 

2 hours ago, Helleborr said:

Oh and DE, just so you know, I don't lift together with no price gougers. They hurt the community for personal gain, and that's just not something I can get behind.

Yeah, I agree with your post. Finally the subject has come on DE's table, I'm glad of that. And it's pretty pathetic how those so called price gougers now are just trying to hide nonsense riven trading behind the "noble free market" flag. C'mon...

[seprent]

this is why i dont escort the glass ball of nitroglycerin though the minefield that is warframe trade chat 

Warframe.market is trade chat 

riven.market is riven trade chat 

warframe trade chat is the heart of darkness and is alittle too happy with come unto your maker 

ill happily hoard everything i get till i 100% need plat for something most likely ship decorations 

[Shaburanigud]

Just give us an auction house.

I'm recently new, and this has largely broken my trust against the whole community of Warframe.
Sure I've made the mistake of paying a tad too much then it was worth once or twice cause I was a newb, but never did I think this was organized.

I don't think I'll ever do any trades or do anything related to rivens again. Srry DE.
To be honest my love to the game has largely left once I knew what happened today.
Bye. And I hope the game improves in the future.

[Very_Melon]

Honor? Have you banned these people? Or should I say "people"? You didn't seem to have any restraints from banning users for "fraudulent credit card transactions" even they weren't their own. Guess the double standards don't end on chat moderators.

Just another reason to never spend any more money on this game.

[(PSN)Yahto]

On 2019-03-07 at 12:28 PM, Phatose said:

Oh, I want people to have useful data.  So I'd like to know the exact mechanics of how you're planning on getting that data, and I really want to be sure that it's not being misrepresented.  If they're going to put up a weighted average, great.  Make damn sure that they're making it absolutely clear it's a weighted average, how exactly it's being calculated, and what are it's limitations.

I've seen entirely too many people complaining about prices and entirely too many attempts to drive prices down - not to get correct prices, simply to lower them - to accept data being put up without 100% open context.  Cause hiding that information, or making it anything other then completely transparent and accessible is doing the exact same thing as is being complained about - using limited information to manipulate markets.

My motivation is very simple - I dislike hypocrisy, and I distrust the motives of those pushing for this as much as they distrust mine.  I want to make damn sure that any solutions to the problem of insufficient information distorting markets do not themselves create a lack of information.  Like, say, calculating a value of a riven without showing the exact process to reach said valuation.

So, assume I'm a complete idiot, and walk me through the calculations.  Assume you have complete access to all of DE's logs of trades, and I have an a riven.  The riven is for any possible item with any possible combination of affixes, which may or may not match anything in the trade history.  Show me the exact math to reach the valuation you're going to show me, please.

So, you want me to teach you how to do math? For something that I think DE should implement? I'm not talking about third parties. DE already does similar things when they do weapon balancing and frame balancing. I'm pretty sure they don't just go in arbitrarily and change stats with no basis for it.  Without having the data, I wouldn't know everything I would need to to make the calculations, but a simplified version would be something like:

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On 2019-03-07 at 10:48 AM, ---PV---Sniga said:

What do you mean with the change?

The proposed change that the thread is about? 

On 2019-03-06 at 8:45 AM, [DE]Rebecca said:

Simply put, we will be trying out providing aggregated actual Riven trade value data for toolmakers to use. No more basing trades off of what people are posting in trade chat as asking prices, toolmakers will have access to per-platform actual Trade values.

You don't have any thoughts on this? The prevailing narrative is already that you're trying to take down other people and acting out of personal greed. Discussing (and possibly supporting) a change that is intended to benefit the general public would probably do more to counter that narrative than saying you don't want to fight but then asking DE to take action against TP. Staying silent about the proposed change has the potential to suggest, at best that you don't care about it, and at worst that you don't like it and don't want to think about it. It's certainly possible for people to imagine that you are the victim here, but you're not making it any easier for them.

[Phatose]

4 hours ago, (PS4)Yahto said:

So, you want me to teach you how to do math? For something that I think DE should implement? I'm not talking about third parties. DE already does similar things when they do weapon balancing and frame balancing. I'm pretty sure they don't just go in arbitrarily and change stats with no basis for it.  Without having the data, I wouldn't know everything I would need to to make the calculations, but a simplified version would be something like:

Assuming I'm reading this correctly - which I may not be  - you're breaking it down so a riven for any particular item is only considered against other rivens for that item.  That seems reasonable.  You're weighting properties in the expected price as if they were totally independent of each other - that, for example, +Critical Damage will increase the expected price by the same amount on any riven that has it.  That is the kind of assumption I concerned about, as it seems to me +critical damage will carry more weight if it's pair with +critical chance, for example.  You'd run into similar concerns with negative stats - If I have a negative to an inconsequential stat, how much that will alter the value will vary depending on what the other stats are.

[Sniga]

3 hours ago, continue said:

The proposed change that the thread is about? 

Well, I, personally, think there is honestly nothing you can really do against people monopolizing that stuff. As Reb said herself, discussions for prices will still take place. I mean, at best they will give us more background data on trades for rivens. Maybe an average price this specific riven (regarding stats) was traded at? That still won't solve it. I buy something for 2k and sell it for 4k. Average is 3k, i can still negotiate down to 2k-2.5k and sell it for 4k. But I'm just speculating.

Either way - I am looking forward to see how this plays out. I don't mind a better system to help players.

I'm more focused on seeing that Tactical Potato gets some backlash from DE at least, as I have realised the community doesn't care or want to understand the situation.

[Sniga]

18 hours ago, Helleborr said:

I like how there's an endless stream of arguments in defense of the price gougers, and they themselves talking here like they've done nothing wrong. It's not like price gouging is a punishable offense in all regulated financial systems on the planet or anything. 😉

Regardless, with DE letting the price gougers get away with no repercussions the price gouging will continue, and in time maybe the community will wisen up and largely stop buying rivens, knowing that they're overpaying to people that consider them "insects". I sure am not gonna be buying any rivens in the observable future, unless this practice is prevented completely.

Oh and DE, just so you know, I don't lift together with no price gougers. They hurt the community for personal gain, and that's just not something I can get behind.

I guess this is directed towards me.

I am not defending the "price gougers" , I'm telling people why this is a witch-hunt led by complete misinformation. And now because the misinformation was at the foundation of ALL this semlar drama, it has snowballed and basically turned away from the actual problem or RivenHunter to simply attacking people that have a hobby of dealing in rivens. We have become the scapegoat for every issue that's ever happened related to rivens. 

Aaaand again. The guy that called you insects was an impostor. You're just showing how little you know and care to think about it again. And again. And again. 

P.S. Price gouging wouldn't be the correct term here, rather profiteering. Price gouging refers to spiking a price of basic survival necessities, most commonly after a shock in supply. I don't think Rivens are a basic survival necessity.

[StarGuardianShaco]

Spicy

 

[Alpheias]

While TPs video is far from perfect and serves more as an opinion piece based on secondhand information, I am more curious why do you even care so much unless you are part of a alliance of riven traders or are in a "secret" riven trader discord. 

 

On 2019-03-06 at 3:52 PM, ---PV---Sniga said:

Still a bit sad how the last Tactical Potato video is spreading massive misinformation, as he actually has 0 knowledge about barely any of the topics he said there, and newer players now took his word for law and are on a witch hunt for people from Riven Dealers, which actually have nothing to do with this. 

I see a lot of people disagreeing with me, so here is an essay for you. A-Z , everything that is wrong with the video.

Shadowy Riven Mafia - None of us are hiding anything though, everyone knows each other.
There is no ego trip, although I'll admit Faceless could've handled the chat with Semlar better, but the fact is he tried contacting him normally beforehand, the fact that this went to DE is just Semlars fault.
We are actually very happy about the Riven section in Semlars site, noone has a problem with that part of it being up, this is about the Riven Hunter paid app.
If you bartered riven prices starting at the average price, you're already most likely getting ripped off or undercutting.
We haven't cornered the market, in fact, Riven Dealers only control the top 1% of the Riven market.
Are you ripping someone off if he is willing to pay the price for your riven, could be argumented.
Actually, Riven Dealers don't say "Offer", it's a complete waste of time, because you will 100% be offered a very low price, everyone just puts the price next to his riven, unless he doesn't know the price himself yet, which is for an hour or two max.
None of us think we own the trading game..
This is a bigger point about us calling others "Insects" and having power over others, but here's a tl;dr - Faceless changed his name to avoid taking unnecessary, false flak. Someone changed his name to Faceless because he is a smartass, afterwards impersonating him and saying all that stupidity. (Bonus meme - he ate the mass report and got banned, not Faceless)
None of us have any power like that, best you can do is organize a mass false report to ban someone, but completely anyone can do that, all it takes is a small group.
Riven Dealers discord bot works off of Semlar.. their bot is down too.
Faceless didn't report the tracking acounts, he reported the new Service Semlar offers, which is the Riven Hunter app for 5$ that gives you live 24/7 surveilance over all trade chats and all regions - this would destroy the riven market. DE took it upon themselves to ban the tracking accounts. 
Because the bot is down, it's actually harder to snipe rivens now..
Also, I don't think Semlar helps players to not get ripped off, actually the opposite as Riven Dealers can search for very niche and expensive rivens that rarely anyone understands the value of.
Faceless did treat it a bit weirdly, but I don't recall saying he runs it or owns anything.
The discussion with Semlar seems like he is a villain, but the funniest thing is Semlar didn't even understand what he had actually made - he assumed the Riven Hunter app would help acquiring rivens, but what it would actually do is give massive power to those who would know how to use it and paid him for it, allowing to completely monopolize and destroy the market.
The screenshot the he keeps showing is the Riven Hunter app that you have to buy, not the Riven Dealers discord.. And again, RD discord does have their bot, but it works off of Semlar, so they don't have the bot either..
You can even see how bad the english is in those chat screenshots, Faceless has very good english.
Riven dealers hold the majority of the rivens in-game, obviously, with our unlimited 90 slots..
Prices don't skyrocket because of Riven Traders, they skyrocket because the platinum amount in the game is rising due to a massive influx of new players, pretty sure that's simple economics?
Semlar was messaged to try and resolve this peacefully and quietly, without others being involved, or the community. Semlar just made himself the victim there.

This might give my speech more solidity.

 

Your posts about Faceless and Semlar is confusing AF and looks more like damage control than a serious attempt of contributing to the conversation about riven trading. Your comment about Semlar making himself the victim is also complete BS when the issue of mass reporting can get any account falsely banned automatically with no evidence required is still a longstanding issue.

[wesleyhuang]

17 hours ago, DigitalMist said:

While TPs video is far from perfect and serves more as an opinion piece based on secondhand information, I am more curious why do you even care so much unless you are part of a alliance of riven traders or are in a "secret" riven trader discord. 

 

Your posts about Faceless and Semlar is confusing AF and looks more like damage control than a serious attempt of contributing to the conversation about riven trading. Your comment about Semlar making himself the victim is also complete BS when the issue of mass reporting can get any account falsely banned automatically with no evidence required is still a longstanding issue.

I know right, reading his post really wasting my time.

All i can see is, he's trying to misleading people.
Making people believing that he's at the right side.

And why the heck did he even comparing "SMELAR english is bad, faceless is better". LIKE WHY?
What are you trying to prove from that? Just so stupid! (((And i am pretty sure that he's going to change his old dumb post)))
HEY MAFIA DEALER RIVEN, what are you guys? an old virgin man that don't know how to debate properly?

Granted what semlar did, by using BOT, might be "wrong". But if that's the case, so all the bot that we've been using is "WRONG" too.

I totally agree with riven having a regulate price. There's nothing wrong in it.

If people do disagree with this, is just the people that can't leech more plat from newbies anymore.

 

[Sniga]

18 hours ago, DigitalMist said:

While TPs video is far from perfect and serves more as an opinion piece based on secondhand information, I am more curious why do you even care so much unless you are part of a alliance of riven traders or are in a "secret" riven trader discord. 

 

Your posts about Faceless and Semlar is confusing AF and looks more like damage control than a serious attempt of contributing to the conversation about riven trading. Your comment about Semlar making himself the victim is also complete BS when the issue of mass reporting can get any account falsely banned automatically with no evidence required is still a longstanding issue.

I care so much, because it's a Warframe partner that's being irresponsible and absolutely misinforming all his viewers with 0 #*!%s given. If you try to sell rivens in trade chat now, random people just PM you and tell you to #*!% yourself and insult you. Not even riven dealers at this point. Anyone whose prices they don't like. Think that's cool?

I'll agree it's a bit chaotic, but I wrote it while watching TPs video, so the comments there follow what he says in the video.

Semlar did make himself the victim, he left out the following part of the conversation so it looks like Faceless just wanted to take down his website not RivenHunter. 

If you're talking about mass reporting, he didn't mass report anyone. He sent in a support ticket in French explaining the issue at hand to DE and they banned the bots. How could he even know the tracking bots names, think logically.

[Sniga]

1 hour ago, wesleyhuang said:

I know right, reading his post really wasting my time.

All i can see is, he's trying to misleading people.
Making people believing that he's at the right side.

And why the heck did he even comparing "SMELAR english is bad, faceless is better". LIKE WHY?
What are you trying to prove from that? Just so stupid! (((And i am pretty sure that he's going to change his old dumb post)))
HEY MAFIA DEALER RIVEN, what are you guys? an old virgin man that don't know how to debate properly?

Granted what semlar did, by using BOT, might be "wrong". But if that's the case, so all the bot that we've been using is "WRONG" too.

I totally agree with riven having a regulate price. There's nothing wrong in it.

If people do disagree with this, is just the people that can't leech more plat from newbies anymore.

 

Thank you for the insightful comment..

At this point I am starting to lose hope. I've given a valid and argumented explanation for almost everything. Even proof. Noone seems to care and you just keep spewing the same comments again and again.

I was talking about the chat screenshots of the fake facelessdealer from in-game.

Thank you for the name calling, that's obviously an important part of a good discussion.

Noone was against the bots that exist, they can stay up and everyone needs them. We were always only against RivenHunter. I've said this about 4 times now. 

I also agree that rivens have a somewhat established price. If thats what youre trying to say.

[wesleyhuang]

3 hours ago, ---PV---Sniga said:

Thank you for the insightful comment..

At this point I am starting to lose hope. I've given a valid and argumented explanation for almost everything. Even proof. Noone seems to care and you just keep spewing the same comments again and again.

I was talking about the chat screenshots of the fake facelessdealer from in-game.

Thank you for the name calling, that's obviously an important part of a good discussion.

Noone was against the bots that exist, they can stay up and everyone needs them. We were always only against RivenHunter. I've said this about 4 times now. 

I also agree that rivens have a somewhat established price. If thats what youre trying to say.

Oh? Fake faceless? It ain't matter man.
If your precious faceless didn't do this to him in the first place.
This whole scenario won't happen.

You can't disprove what wrong and right. It's photoshop era.

Plus, if faceless really didn't do any of that, you don't have to be wary about that either.
Since DE themselves can track it real time.

PLUS, why in the first place that he change his name?
Afraid of backlash? LOL.
It seems like more backlash happen after he change his name.
Well, he deserved it.

[Sniga]

3 hours ago, wesleyhuang said:

Oh? Fake faceless? It ain't matter man.
If your precious faceless didn't do this to him in the first place.
This whole scenario won't happen.

You can't disprove what wrong and right. It's photoshop era.

Plus, if faceless really didn't do any of that, you don't have to be wary about that either.
Since DE themselves can track it real time.

PLUS, why in the first place that he change his name?
Afraid of backlash? LOL.
It seems like more backlash happen after he change his name.
Well, he deserved it.

Here we go again.

Faceless wanted to shut down RivenHunter. Not Semlar as a whole. DE chose to shut down Semlars site. How many times must I repeat this..

I have no idea what you mean with most of those sentences, sorry. Disprove what? Photoshop era? What can DE track real time? 

Yeah, because he didn't want to expose the real reason Semlar was down just to let Semlar and DE deal with RivenHunter privately, so he knew the community would be on his ass due to misinformation and not knowing why this is even happening.

He was okay with the people coming down on his ass, but attacking the clan and riven traders in general was not needed or expected..

[Xonerix]

Watched TacticalPotato's video all about this "Riven mafia" situation and wow!, it blown my mind how DE is allowing them to continue scamming people with ridiculous inflated riven prices while the actual good-doer Semlar got his site shut down... like WTF DE?
I have suggested Trading / Auction House in the forums loooong ago, but got laughed at, discarded the idea as nonsense.
How are you going to fix this/ regulate this? The only solution I see is the Auction/Trading - Console/Panel/House ... however you want to call it.

[(XBOX)Shodian]

3 hours ago, Xonerix said:

How are you going to fix this/ regulate this? The only solution I see is the Auction/Trading - Console/Panel/House ... however you want to call it.

 

That wouldn't work at all, you'd still have people buying the cheap ones and reselling them for a higher price.

[-cS-dalonico]

En 6/3/2019 a las 9:52, Sniga dijo:

Still a bit sad how the last Tactical Potato video is spreading massive misinformation, as he actually has 0 knowledge about barely any of the topics he said there, and newer players now took his word for law and are on a witch hunt for people from Riven Dealers, which actually have nothing to do with this. 

I see a lot of people disagreeing with me, so here is an essay for you. A-Z , everything that is wrong with the video.

Shadowy Riven Mafia - None of us are hiding anything though, everyone knows each other.
There is no ego trip, although I'll admit Faceless could've handled the chat with Semlar better, but the fact is he tried contacting him normally beforehand, the fact that this went to DE is just Semlars fault.
We are actually very happy about the Riven section in Semlars site, noone has a problem with that part of it being up, this is about the Riven Hunter paid app.
If you bartered riven prices starting at the average price, you're already most likely getting ripped off or undercutting.
We haven't cornered the market, in fact, Riven Dealers only control the top 1% of the Riven market.
Are you ripping someone off if he is willing to pay the price for your riven, could be argumented.
Actually, Riven Dealers don't say "Offer", it's a complete waste of time, because you will 100% be offered a very low price, everyone just puts the price next to his riven, unless he doesn't know the price himself yet, which is for an hour or two max.
None of us think we own the trading game..
This is a bigger point about us calling others "Insects" and having power over others, but here's a tl;dr - Faceless changed his name to avoid taking unnecessary, false flak. Someone changed his name to Faceless because he is a smartass, afterwards impersonating him and saying all that stupidity. (Bonus meme - he ate the mass report and got banned, not Faceless)
None of us have any power like that, best you can do is organize a mass false report to ban someone, but completely anyone can do that, all it takes is a small group.
Riven Dealers discord bot works off of Semlar.. their bot is down too.
Faceless didn't report the tracking acounts, he reported the new Service Semlar offers, which is the Riven Hunter app for 5$ that gives you live 24/7 surveilance over all trade chats and all regions - this would destroy the riven market. DE took it upon themselves to ban the tracking accounts. 
Because the bot is down, it's actually harder to snipe rivens now..
Also, I don't think Semlar helps players to not get ripped off, actually the opposite as Riven Dealers can search for very niche and expensive rivens that rarely anyone understands the value of.
Faceless did treat it a bit weirdly, but I don't recall saying he runs it or owns anything.
The discussion with Semlar seems like he is a villain, but the funniest thing is Semlar didn't even understand what he had actually made - he assumed the Riven Hunter app would help acquiring rivens, but what it would actually do is give massive power to those who would know how to use it and paid him for it, allowing to completely monopolize and destroy the market.
The screenshot the he keeps showing is the Riven Hunter app that you have to buy, not the Riven Dealers discord.. And again, RD discord does have their bot, but it works off of Semlar, so they don't have the bot either..
You can even see how bad the english is in those chat screenshots, Faceless has very good english.
Riven dealers hold the majority of the rivens in-game, obviously, with our unlimited 90 slots..
Prices don't skyrocket because of Riven Traders, they skyrocket because the platinum amount in the game is rising due to a massive influx of new players, pretty sure that's simple economics?
Semlar was messaged to try and resolve this peacefully and quietly, without others being involved, or the community. Semlar just made himself the victim there.

This might give my speech more solidity.

 

just out of curiosity, how would such capability "destroy" the market? 

[(XBOX)COA Altair]

On 2019-03-06 at 2:36 PM, (XB1)Shodian said:

Again I will say, there is nothing wrong with the rivens themselves. It is us that has made this weird market as to what is expensive and what is not. I enjoy rivens, I like trying different combinations, but I feel some people take it a lot more seriously than what it's supposed to.

Except there is a real problem with rivens in that you can't get the stats you want on something even if you spend a million kuva rerolling that specific riven.  That is what has caused this dumb 1% issue of rivens like, for example, fire rate, multishot, damage, -slash kohm rivens costing 10K+ platinum.  If you could get what you want on a riven and it wasn't just a slot machine with terrible odds rivens wouldn't be terribly expensive.  I don't get why they don't let you lock in stats on a riven until you get what you want on it, it's a PvE game and even average rivens blow their star chart to pieces on decent weapons assuming the player can aim and mod correctly.  

[Sniga]

6 hours ago, -cS-dalonico said:

just out of curiosity, how would such capability "destroy" the market? 

Casual players would never be able to buy a good/god riven, because people with the app would completely own them. All it would take is a few people and honestly all of them would go through the hands of a riven reseller. So long story short - more expensive, completely monopolized. 

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On 2019-03-08 at 5:51 PM, Sniga said:

Well, I, personally, think there is honestly nothing you can really do against people monopolizing that stuff. As Reb said herself, discussions for prices will still take place. I mean, at best they will give us more background data on trades for rivens. Maybe an average price this specific riven (regarding stats) was traded at? That still won't solve it. I buy something for 2k and sell it for 4k. Average is 3k, i can still negotiate down to 2k-2.5k and sell it for 4k. But I'm just speculating.

Either way - I am looking forward to see how this plays out. I don't mind a better system to help players.

I'm more focused on seeing that Tactical Potato gets some backlash from DE at least, as I have realised the community doesn't care or want to understand the situation.

I'm pretty sure saying stuff like "I'll still be able to take advantage of the system" and "I want TP to be punished" is why the community doesn't trust any of your explanations though

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