Doubt about the thermia fractures event lore

[Olphalarepth]

So, yeah. IF I got this right we are sent into the fields because Nef doesn't give the slightest credit about environmental damage. Major resource exploiting leading to something something something leading to lava like fissures in the ground threatening to roast the entire valley. That is the gist of it, right?

So that means we, proud Tenno, have to fix things since kubrodon feces hit the turbo fan (again). The question is:

Why on earth..ehm venus...is nef attacking us??

If we fail everyone will die in the valley and he can kiss his operations goodbye. I mean, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that your workers and machines are not going to work if they are turned into a pile of ash, not to mention the idiots that he keeps sending to stop us are going to experience 10th degree burns. The lore of this event leaves me a bit perplexed since it pretty much translates to "go do this because we're in danger but since plot demands you must kill something we will send people whose chances of survival would be higher if they did the freaking job themselves"

 

I'd evacuate the solaris to cetus and let the whole valley burn just to make a point. The solaris will definitely fit in with cetus tribes and would benfeit from each other, wildlife preserved thanks to many captured animals and released into the plains, major corpus hit, Nef will look like even more of a moron in front of investors, EXTREME grofit.

Thoughts?

Edited March 9, 2019 by Olphalarepth

[Timedodger]

I noticed this too when i was playing the event, being attacked by the people who will directly benefit if you succeed seems counter intuitive and just plain stupid.  When i was playing i wrote it off to "Video Game Plot Convenience" but a little more explanation might be helpful.

The only possible explanation i might be able to make would be that Nef sees the fissures as nothing more than a stage of warming on the Valis.  If that really is the case (and he really is that stupid) then what he sees the tenno doing is really just vandalizing the coolent raknoids and stealing some of their internal hardware (which knowing the corpus is probably proprietary technology that he wants to get back), so the next place we stop he sends his forces after us to either get it back or destroy it to stop the technology from falling into the hands of the tenno.

Edited March 9, 2019 by Timedodger

[nslay]

How do you know Nef is attacking? Maybe it's Alad V ... that actually would make sense given the two hate each other.

Eudico does say that if Nef won't do this, we would have to seal the fractures. The question is why isn't Nef sealing the fractures?

[CriticalFumble]

It sounds like the fissures are what he's trying to make money off of.  Specifically, pump a lot of coolant into the ground, cause fissures spewing out the molten thermia and/or other rare resources, harvest.  The lines made it seem like he's letting the Exploiter Orb harvest from the fissures rather than just sealing them, using the Coolant Raknoid's coolant to keep it from overheating while working at them. 

Its also possible that there are bounties on Tenno / captured warframes.  Nef or one of his underlings may view this as a priority over cleaning up after himself. 

[Fiftycentis]

10 minutes ago, nslay said:

Maybe it's Alad V 

Alad is infested now, and nef is the only one ruling on the vallis

[Zebiko]

It's because the diluted thermia can be used to help kill the Orb Mother.

[Lakais]

This is a part where a clear plot point is missing. If we were otherwise going against the immediate profit interests of Anyo by closing these fissures, sure. Even if it's some hair brained scheme involving a McGuffin like "thermal energy" from Lost Planet type deal.

I'd even accept it if there had been a single transmission from Nef or someone under him who basically said "Tenno are doing something with Vox Solaris! We have no idea what they are doing and we don't trust a single word they are saying but if they are doing something we have to stop them regardless!" even if it is coming from some overeager subordinate who is keeping the entire thing under wraps to save face about Tenno and Vox running loose under their watch. 

[HugintheCrow]

Nef wants the diluted thermia.

It's said in the event's description that he's trying to sell it for a quick buck.

[Rawbeard]

12 minutes ago, Lakais said:

This is a part where a clear plot point is missing.

it's always bad story telling when it looks like it's stupid until a later reveal. that's like an anti-plot twist, or something

[Olphalarepth]

22 minutes ago, CriticalFumble said:

It sounds like the fissures are what he's trying to make money off of.  Specifically, pump a lot of coolant into the ground, cause fissures spewing out the molten thermia and/or other rare resources, harvest.  The lines made it seem like he's letting the Exploiter Orb harvest from the fissures rather than just sealing them, using the Coolant Raknoid's coolant to keep it from overheating while working at them. 

Its also possible that there are bounties on Tenno / captured warframes.  Nef or one of his underlings may view this as a priority over cleaning up after himself. 

Thought about that too there are two problems with that.

1 - That is not how coolant works. You don't use coolant to trigger earthquakes/lava fissures, it's like using dynamite to move air and hope to redirect clouds.

2 - It's way too random. How do you know where a fissure will open?

 

[TARINunit9]

54 minutes ago, Olphalarepth said:

Why on earth..ehm venus...is nef attacking us??

We're stealing "his" thermia

Much like Plague Star, the villain intends to stall as long as possible, while the heroes intend to nip the problem off at the bud before it's too late. Nef plans to seal the fractures himself, but only after he can harvest thermia from them. This is a direct parallel to how Vay Hek intends to kill the Plague Star boil himself, but only after the Hemocytes destroy Cetus. In both cases, the Tenno see that stalling for this long will result in the fractures/boil growing too large, past the point of no return

This is why the coolant/trax toxin is found in Corpus/Grineer bases, not supplied by Tenno Operational Command. The Corpus/Grineer do intend to do something, just not yet, and our presence is foiling their plans

That's why Nef attacks us

[Teloch]

One thing that I've learned over five years of playing this is never to seek any conventional logic in WF.

Because there's simply none.

[rand0mname]

It is not for the first time Nef gambles on something without thinking/caring about long term consequences.

Nef is greedy and has an ego bigger then Lephantis, the ground shakes under someone’s else feet, he lost his face in that terraforming tower incident, his potential investors walked away from him, Solaris United rises again, there is a Tenno infestation.

Financial reports do not look good. What someone like Nef will do in this situation, hmm?

As for his goons shooting Tenno... well, that’s Tenno. Whatever they do, it never ends well for a hard working Corpus. Besides, there are people willing to pay a lot for a Warframe.

[McGoodGreen]

Nef likes quick profit and showing off. Right now, the sparkle of his eye is the quick, cheap profit he can make from the fractures remaining open. He doesn't put a lot of thought into the long term, as others have pointed out. It is even mentioned in game, before you head out to do your badass Tenno thing. 

A short line, and easy to miss if you read the plot as "something something something". The game play is fast paced, so it can be easy to get into a rush. But they actually did a pretty solid job building detail and lore and good enough reasoning for why we do the things for my trigger happy self. 

[CriticalFumble]

13 minutes ago, Olphalarepth said:

Thought about that too there are two problems with that.

1 - That is not how coolant works. You don't use coolant to trigger earthquakes/lava fissures, it's like using dynamite to move air and hope to redirect clouds.

2 - It's way too random. How do you know where a fissure will open?

The second one is simple, you don't care where it opens.  Yeah, its stupid, so were a lot of things during economic rush eras.  He still gets the thermia, just might have to build some new structures.  

The first one, sure.  The coolant is wacky Orokin tech and doesn't follow any reasonable rules.  Once that's established what do you do?  Argue that using magic/poorly understood lostec in foolish ways shouldn't have dire consequences?  

[JackHargreav]

53 minutes ago, Fiftycentis said:

Alad is infested now, and nef is the only one ruling on the vallis

Alad was cured years ago.

[Nesodos]

39 minutes ago, Olphalarepth said:

Thought about that too there are two problems with that.

1 - That is not how coolant works. You don't use coolant to trigger earthquakes/lava fissures, it's like using dynamite to move air and hope to redirect clouds.

2 - It's way too random. How do you know where a fissure will open?

 

Pumping coolant into the ground is the space magic equivalent of fracking.
Both can trigger earthquakes or destabilise the integrity of the ground.

Good thing they don't have burning tap water in fortuna...

[SordidDreams]

This just in, game where dogs lay eggs makes no sense!

[Vesiga]

Well for one, he wants us dead whether we help or not. Killing us = profit for him in the long run. 

Two, this coolant stuff is gonna be used to kill his orb mother, don't want that.

Three, he's selling the stuff off for a bigger profit than Fortuna makes him probably. 

[Loza03]

Because Nef can't see more than two steps ahead of a quick buck. Or even one step. And even then, his attention's on the buck.

[FlyingDice]

I mean maybe it doesn't make sense if you don't listen to dialogue, but it's spelled out pretty clearly. Nef's going for the short-term profit of harvesting the thermia and then dealing with the problem later. We're dealing with the problem now and collecting what scraps we can as we do so.