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I think the biggest problem with Nightwave is that the Acts feel like a list of chores to complete. The old Alert system made it feel like there was meaning behind what we were doing, like the world was alive. I felt like I was contributing to the balance of the system, and I fail to see how bullet jumping 150 times helps in any way.

I've put together a solution, with the help of my clan and others that have posted on the post, for reworking Nightwave @[DE]Bear. This concept is still in its development phase, but it solves a majority of complaints with the current system, helps tie Nightwave together to the rest of Warframe, and would provide content to new and old players alike. Please consider looking at the concept and we would love to hear your feedback.

 

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This season is boring, but incredibly fast and easy, which is probably what the rework was aiming for to quell the screechers complaining about S1.

I say it doesn't need any more changes, minus perhaps letting us swap out certain acts with more interesting/difficult ones.  For instance, if you don't want to scan flowers, you can change it to something like "kill the Profit Taker" or an add-in "survive an hour in Mot."

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5 hours ago, (PS4)BenHeisennberg said:

This season is boring, but incredibly fast and easy, which is probably what the rework was aiming for to quell the screechers complaining about S1.

I say it doesn't need any more changes, minus perhaps letting us swap out certain acts with more interesting/difficult ones.  For instance, if you don't want to scan flowers, you can change it to something like "kill the Profit Taker" or an add-in "survive an hour in Mot."

Allow us to swap specific act that you don't like to something you like?

Why not just allow us to choose whatever we want at that point?

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50 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

Allow us to swap specific act that you don't like to something you like?

Why not just allow us to choose whatever we want at that point?

With something harder.

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5 minutes ago, (PS4)BenHeisennberg said:

With something harder.

Well. in that case only way to make it harder is change it to something like "kill 3 spectres from each apothic (9 apothics total)", since everything else could be easier for someone, at least for me both of things you listed were easier than plant scanning.

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So I got the new Convectrix mod a few days ago, and my first thought was that i wanted to go have some fun with it an pop a forma in it to do a decent build. but then I had to stop, and do nothing because any forma I put in it now will be wasted, and I have to wait for the next 3 forma task to come around.

So I though what if the forma, and Ayatan sculpture tasks ( we know this will pop up again) are actually implemented as season long tasks. This would accomplish two things, first it would allow people to forma items as they wish and it would also give a time frame for the length of the Night wave season.

Say the forma task was use forma 9 times during the season with it showing the 10-12 week expiry time. and it would be worth the complete amount of standing.

People would see the length of the season and be able to calculate how much standing they need, and it would alleviate the irrational FOMO.

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14 hours ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:

So I got the new Convectrix mod a few days ago, and my first thought was that i wanted to go have some fun with it an pop a forma in it to do a decent build. but then I had to stop, and do nothing because any forma I put in it now will be wasted, and I have to wait for the next 3 forma task to come around.

So I though what if the forma, and Ayatan sculpture tasks ( we know this will pop up again) are actually implemented as season long tasks. This would accomplish two things, first it would allow people to forma items as they wish and it would also give a time frame for the length of the Night wave season.

Say the forma task was use forma 9 times during the season with it showing the 10-12 week expiry time. and it would be worth the complete amount of standing.

People would see the length of the season and be able to calculate how much standing they need, and it would alleviate the irrational FOMO.

I will never not genuinely despise to forma act for as ling as it exists. but this is at least a better implementation of it. the BIG problem with it is some people just don't have anything they want to forma anymore. so its just a huge waste of resources. the atayan one I agree with 100% as long as it only asks you to fill a number of atayans less than or equal to (preferably less than) the number of weeks the nightwave runs. I never did have a big problem with the atayan one. It's not such a big hassle to just save them up if you're doing the weekly and run into the occasional one during a mission. I barely play random missions and I still run into a decent amount of them in the wild, and my luck is horrendous.

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On 2019-07-19 at 4:16 AM, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:

So I got the new Convectrix mod a few days ago, and my first thought was that i wanted to go have some fun with it an pop a forma in it to do a decent build. but then I had to stop, and do nothing because any forma I put in it now will be wasted, and I have to wait for the next 3 forma task to come around.

And here's me just adding forma to stuff because I want stronger gear. The challenge is just an excuse to be rewarded for doing what I would probably do anyway. 

Maybe you guys need to explain to me how having a self-imposed irrational fear of missing out on something, a fear so powerful that it is paralysing you, and preventing you from enjoying your game, is a good thing? 

I just don't see how worrying about that 15 Arlo-creds you might get from the prestige rank is worth it. Because let's face it, that's what we are really risking if we skip one or two non-elite challenges in a given week. 

So.... How's that fomo working out for you? 

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9 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

And here's me just adding forma to stuff because I want stronger gear. The challenge is just an excuse to be rewarded for doing what I would probably do anyway. 

Maybe you guys need to explain to me how having a self-imposed irrational fear of missing out on something, a fear so powerful that it is paralysing you, and preventing you from enjoying your game, is a good thing? 

I just don't see how worrying about that 15 Arlo-creds you might get from the prestige rank is worth it. Because let's face it, that's what we are really risking if we skip one or two non-elite challenges in a given week. 

So.... How's that fomo working out for you? 

See that's not FOMO. That's me understanding how Nightwave works. And knowing that If I forma stuff now, I'll have nothing to forma in the future. So I have to wait.
I'm not worried about prestige, I wasn't worried about it last time, Once I hit 30 and got a few ranks to add the credits to what I already had left from the first 30 so I could buy something I stopped doing night wave.

But this is the thing, whether it is slotting Ayatan sculptures or using Forma, these tasks in Night Wave are creating a wait to play system. it's not a fear of missing out, it's knowledge that if you wait, you will be rewarded.

Unfortunately you lack the ability to comprehend that.

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1 hour ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:

it's knowledge that if you wait, you will be rewarded.

Warframe has always been like that. NW just reinforces it. That's why I've always been an advocate of more choice. Rework those alerts. Put alerts back in the game. Give us more tac alerts more often. Rework the old events, bring those back. And all the while NW can still be NW. But now we have more choice. 

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8 minutes ago, (XB1)RDeschain82 said:

Warframe has always been like that. NW just reinforces it. That's why I've always been an advocate of more choice. Rework those alerts. Put alerts back in the game. Give us more tac alerts more often. Rework the old events, bring those back. And all the while NW can still be NW. But now we have more choice. 

i don't think DE would ever allow players to have THAT much possible income, it would run plat value basically into the ground for most tennos or at least thos not interested in cosmetics

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On 2019-07-15 at 6:17 AM, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:

It should have reset the same time was the nightwave.

This is not the case with the Clem quest. Clem resets either before Nightwave or one week after you do it. Because I'm one of the people that did it before refresh last week and now I'm still waiting for it to pop back up. Hopefully the catch-up option will bring it back up for me if I finish another weekly set, but it's still annoying not being able to complete the weekly the first time around because of screwy timers.

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10 hours ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:

See that's not FOMO. That's me understanding how Nightwave works. And knowing that If I forma stuff now, I'll have nothing to forma in the future. So I have to wait.
I'm not worried about prestige, I wasn't worried about it last time, Once I hit 30 and got a few ranks to add the credits to what I already had left from the first 30 so I could buy something I stopped doing night wave.

But this is the thing, whether it is slotting Ayatan sculptures or using Forma, these tasks in Night Wave are creating a wait to play system. it's not a fear of missing out, it's knowledge that if you wait, you will be rewarded.

Unfortunately you lack the ability to comprehend that.

Well the only reason you've presented for "waiting to play" is that if you do it before demanded to by the challenges, then you won't get rewarded for completing a challenge. Since the only reason to complete the challenges is nightwave standing, what you're describing is just a "fear of missing out" by a different name. 

But you now say that you don't fear missing out on the nightwave rewards. So there's not much reason to not go ahead and do what you want to do, instead of waiting in the hopes that you may be rewarded. So.... Yeah, I do lack the ability to comprehend illogical actions that run contrary to your other statements. 

 

That's why I said:

19 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Maybe you guys need to explain to me how having a self-imposed irrational fear of missing out on something, a fear so powerful that it is paralysing you, and preventing you from enjoying your game, is a good thing? 

See? 

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Come on, DE, 9 Invasions? 10 Nightmare missions? You told us less is more but this is just as awful as last season. 

Pleasure reduce the number for these challenges. Thank you.

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The 9 invasions one is easy. Just do Phorid, it usually takes 1 minute per mission.

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6 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said:

The 9 invasions one is easy. Just do Phorid, it usually takes 1 minute per mission.

Of course it's easy. They're all easy. There's a difference between easy and tedious. I'd complain if it were 20 capture missions. Sure, it's easy, but come on, we were told less is more.

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On 2019-07-20 at 9:27 PM, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Maybe you guys need to explain to me how having a self-imposed irrational fear of missing out on something, a fear so powerful that it is paralysing you, and preventing you from enjoying your game, is a good thing?

It's NOT self imposed, its involuntary, and it's NOT a good thing. that's why so many people hate nightwave so much. If we LIKED it we wouldn't all be *@##$ing about it.

Asking that is like asking someone with depression "why don't you just not be sad?" or asking someone with insomnia "why don't you just sleep?". It dosn't work like that. You can't just cure someone of a mental block by stating its not good to have it. Obviously those are significantly worse problems than this but the analogy works. We can't just slip a switch and not feel this way.

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9 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Well the only reason you've presented for "waiting to play" is that if you do it before demanded to by the challenges, then you won't get rewarded for completing a challenge. Since the only reason to complete the challenges is nightwave standing, what you're describing is just a "fear of missing out" by a different name.

Not really. It's more like not buying a game at launch because you know its gonna get a bunch of dlc, and then re-release later for the same price with all the dlc bundled with it (like many mainline bethesda games). so you wait for that dlc bundle so you get more for your money. It's about knowing that later you'll be able to spend the same amount of resources for a bigger gain if you just wait, and if you don't, you'll have to spend more to get that gain, or just not get it at all.

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4 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said:

We were also told Nightwave would be "get rewards passively as you play", but that was clearly false advertising.

The assumption was that you are a hardcore grinder...

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16 minutes ago, Tellakey said:

Of course it's easy. They're all easy. There's a difference between easy and tedious. I'd complain if it were 20 capture missions. Sure, it's easy, but come on, we were told less is more.

Ah, true, but we didn't complain as hard as we did with stuff like the friends ones. So it's easy to get overlooked by them. Not that I mind this week's challenges, however.

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13 minutes ago, Gabbynaru said:

We were also told Nightwave would be "get rewards passively as you play", but that was clearly false advertising. Considering DE's policy of "No Fun Allowed" is in full effect for every single thing they don, I doubt they'll fix anything.

In all honesty, while not minding nightwave as is, I really would rather if it was like you mention. Better as a complement to our regular play than a system that forcibly tries to make the player play long forgotten or niche content. 

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*Sigh*

Some people will never be happy no matter how easy you make things. >_>

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where can I see the latest nightwave challenges? not to complain, just to see. cant log in until after work 

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1 hour ago, PollexMessier said:

It's NOT self imposed, its involuntary, and it's NOT a good thing. that's why so many people hate nightwave so much. If we LIKED it we wouldn't all be *@##$ing about it.

Asking that is like asking someone with depression "why don't you just not be sad?" or asking someone with insomnia "why don't you just sleep?". It dosn't work like that. You can't just cure someone of a mental block by stating its not good to have it. Obviously those are significantly worse problems than this but the analogy works. We can't just slip a switch and not feel this way.

you're literally comparing getting nightwave rewards to battling depression? this is new low amongst you, NW-whiners. 

take this cake.

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