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Nightwave Weak 5: definitely the worst week thus far.

Silver Grove elite weekly is just a chore. I never completed Titania's quest because it was such a chore, and I'm not too keen on getting around to do it just for the extra 5k standing. Also, it kinda sucks that this somehow punishes people who just did the Titania quest before these came out. Kinda makes players hesitant to use certain materials out of fear of "Nightwave might need it next week." This sets a bad precedent. 

3 consecutive zero-points-for-opponents Index runs isn't as hard as it sounds, but did it really have to be consecutive?

Also nevermind 40 waves of defense. I can't get any of my former clanmates to log in again just so I can "use" them for 30-50-ish minutes of defense. It's not exactly the most inviting reason to get them to play again lol.

Nightwave is great, but less of these challenges next time around, please.

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1 hour ago, NinjaFramer said:

I truly believe that you are trying to be helpful. So, thank you.

Nightwave was introduced and Alerts we're dropped. So what is the difference? It was easier. That puny $1000 credit Alerts (I know, there's nodes where it's nothing to bring in 20k+ but I'm not there yet) were a big help and there were a lot more rewards offered than just cosmetics. So, it was helpful and it was sort of a relief from the grind to do a simple run for a resource desperately needed - not just Nitain lol. 

Hi. You're a Tenno, one of many. We often help one another get to places, and farm for resource. But while we are very powerful, we don't read minds. Ask for help, and we'll help. 

But yes, I mentioned that the lack of easy resources for newer players is one of my concerns. 

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And doggone it, Nightwave offers so much more! I totally agree 💯.

But what was it that you have plenty of? Well, everything. All the resources you can carry. And yes, you earned it, every bit of it. And no, I don't feel entitled to it. 

Oh but you see we are generally happy to help you to get more. It's why we are able to, and often do mark off special rare items for the other members of our squad to come and collect. If we weren't willing to help and accept help, this game would be a lot worse off than it is today. 

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I know, Plat isn't a button but I know people buy it. Otherwise DE would be out of business. If you bought any of the Prime access or Unvaulted Primes you've got one heck of a leg up, a HUGE leg up. And A lot of plat is offered in those packs so why not? 

Again, not really. I have seen newbs complaining because they thought that skipping the MR requirement and buying a high level weapon would help them get ahead. Then they found out that that swords have stances, and without that, or the more exotic mods, the omgwtfbbq weapon that they wanted wasn't as good as it seemed. I can't remember what they were demanding, it was probably a refund or free stances to be included in the weaponry purchase. Whatever it was it was silly, and just highlighted that they thought that they could pay to win. 

Again, mostly what the plat does is speed things up. You don't have to wait 3 days for the frame to be built, or you can get the parts you are missing without as much grind. 

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When you start out new, you don't get very many relics. And because the nodes aren't open to you your options are very limited on runs. So, you're going to have to buy plat to keep the stuff you got. Or, you might just say "I'm glad I didn't keep that junk."

That's not true at all. Just run Lith or Coba or Tikal. It'll help you to rank your weapons and soon you will have more relics than Indiana Jones on an archeological dig site! Then run Lith fissures you can get to, and open them. 

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The weapons, they're just not any good and your mods are all flawed. I know you can take any weapon and make it great with the proper mods way, way further in the game. But early on? Your best weapon may be your melee weapon but even that doesn't cut it. 

The ones that you got from the alerts were not generally any better, despite having occasionally misleading descriptions. 

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Something else has happened to the game. With all of the arguments over Alerts it's flown under the radar. Less ranking point for your weapons. I've watched a lot of players new and vets. On one of the nodes that I've seen them play it was nothing to see 6 - 12 k of a Warframe or weapon ranking up. But now it's much lower, like 1-4k. I've been playing around 100 hours and only my Warframe, and the first weapons you start out with are at 30 but now it's ridiculous. I've tried just equipping one weapon. What a disaster. Lol. Ran out of bullets which mostly just bounced off of the enemies. I know you mod them to the enemies, corrosive for armor, etc.  So, just 2 weapons. Oh no! Yep, emptied every clip with nothing to spare. So, I have the boltor and the furis with flawed mods and no catalysts. After a hundred hours you think they would be at 30. Maybe I'm crazy.

You think that they stealth nerfed xp? It's more likely that you're doing something weird, like not standing near the squad, you get passive xp from their kills. It is spread across your weapons and frame. And remember if you are busy killing with your abilities, you don't earn xp on your weapons. 

Oh and the weapons and frames don't benefit past Max rank. 

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Back to the plat. If you have it you can buy better mods. I don't know anyone buying trash prime pieces though. And there's no way to earn enough plat at this stage. Just getting through the levels are just crazy.

You don't need to know anyone buying them, just go in trade chat and type, "WTS prime junk, 5 for 10p, inv pls" then hit send. You will get flooded with requests, and run out of trades in no time flat. But you will have plat to buy slots as needed. And at this stage trying to buy the best mods will just leave you disappointed. Many of them you won't be able to fuse fully, and if you do, you won't have capacity for them. 

 

I know that you will not want to hear it, but you are really better off farming for the mods and learning how they work, than trying to rush to become powerful. 

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Also, yes, some vets are willing to help but I was referring to the posts. Yep, downright mean. So, no, it wasn't contradictory. Could have looked like that I suppose.

Players getting taxied is nothing new. What I was referring to is the ridiculously difficult tasks in Nightwave. I was taxied once and even though they knew I was a noob I still got an earful. Obviously we didn't get the prize.

What did they taxi you to? Many of the challenges don't require specific locations, and the ones that do tend to be more advanced. 

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So ok, what next? Join a clan? Which one? Some have insane rules. And some have MR restrictions. I've been on the recruitment channel. I'm an ok player. Just ok. I don't have friends that play it anymore. So, I did try to play with randoms. That's an idea but we separate faster than cockroaches when the lights are turned on. I can't type fast enough. I've been playing solo since I started, a random a time or two.  

Ask in recruiting for a newb friendly clan with the research complete. I can't advise you on those for 2 reasons. The first is that we're on different platforms, and the other is that I built my own clan dojo and don't really care to join any other. But I still play with randoms all the time. 

And like I said playing with a squad helps you level stuff soooooo much faster. 

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But like I said, I love Warframe. But starting out is really, really hard.

Very much so, Tenno. That's true of most things that are worth it. 

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I can't afford to pay for a Prime access or Unvaulted Primes. Frost and Ember looked pretty cool. But alas, it's not meant to be.

You really should just focus on your progress for now. If you can get Rhino he'll be a big help as you go along. 

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I tried very hard today and wound up walking away from it after seeing 1k - 2k time after time after time, trying to level up my weapons for hours. You could barely see the line move.

Play in a random squad. Defense against Grineer or corpus is better than against infested, unless you are getting extra xp for using a weapon-type 

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Maybe tomorrow

Like I said before, good luck, Tenno. 

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Day Trader seems glitched. Completed it with a friend, we both got the +5000 points message before we extracted and it's still locked for the two of us.

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4 hours ago, Drivrius said:

Also, the "Find all cashes in 3 sabotage missions" seems like it would take forever, unless were talking about the missions with 3 hidden cashes? I mean, it's not about opening all the lockers thingies in a mission right?

Yes its the "hidden" lockers that make the noise/glow white, not all lockers, that are the caches. :)

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6 hours ago, Drivrius said:

New elite weekly, 40 waves of defense with a friend or clan mate..

 

Ouch, I don't think I have ever done more then 25 waves before.

 

Also, the "Find all cashes in 3 sabotage missions" seems like it would take forever, unless were talking about the missions with 3 hidden cashes? I mean, it's not about opening all the lockers thingies in a mission right?

 

P.S. Another elite is killing 3 Grove Specter, gather your mats now while the double resource drop event is still up!

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For the Defense just start on Earth or another low-level planet. That way 40 waves isn't too hard.

I figure I'll do the same thing as Ayatan Sculpture farming for the sabotage. Use limbo to smash all the containers in range and if anything on the radar shows as unbroken it could be a Cache. Newbs without limbo will have to search every corner but it can be done and Earth Sabotage is the easiest since you don't get Ice or Fire debuffs once you complete the sabotage.

Also doing it on earth means you can look for the Silver groves too. I have 2 or 3 of each potion but it's pot luck which one you need if I recall correctly.

The Index one is probably one I won't get. I hate index but I do one run a day as my first run. If the enemy doesn't score I'll play on. if they do score I'll cash out.
Even if I don't get this index one I should be 19 maybe 20 depending on fugitives by the end of the week.

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5 hours ago, (PS4)jaegerbombtastic said:

So just to post again, the Index one is glitched.

 We ran it twice and Nora had said it was completed, yet it still remains blank. Not sure if we got the standing or not.

Pictures sent via my fiancé: 

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I kind of hope you did get the points, twice. Would you be willing to try it a third time and take note of your points to see if they go up when it is completed again?
 

If you do, you would then need to report this as a bug so people don't exploit it.

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4 hours ago, NinjaFramer said:

Back to the plat. If you have it you can buy better mods. I don't know anyone buying trash prime pieces though. And there's no way to earn enough plat at this stage. Just getting through the levels are just crazy.

 

Usually, a day or two before Baro appears you'll find people like me buying Junk parts to turn into Ducats to buy gear from Baro. I'm on Xbox though so we won't be able to trade. But if you advertise in trade chat that you have junk prime parts for sale, you'll usually get bombarded with requests.

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Surprisingly, I've found even silver/trash mods sell pretty well on warframe.market if nobody else has been selling them lately. Sold some common arcwing mods for over 30pl quite frequently, or trash stances for 3~5 ea. Also, parts of those invasion weapons usually sell for a bit, and complete sets are often 30~40pl still I think?

It's tough starting out, but that's how any progression-based game is. You can't just skip to the end-game and expect to roll everything for easy money, because there wouldn't be any point to playing anymore.

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Since my clan runs hour long survival missions (mostly kuva) already most of these issues didn't arise. Personally I suggest more people get in clans instead of DE changing the challenges. I get that a lot of people enjoy playing solo but things are changing

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21 minutes ago, Hey_Kiddo said:

Since my clan runs hour long survival missions (mostly kuva) already most of these issues didn't arise. Personally I suggest more people get in clans instead of DE changing the challenges. I get that a lot of people enjoy playing solo but things are changing

And not for the better. You do realise what you're saying here, right? "I get that you enjoy playing the game, but you should consider not doing that." And no, that's not an exaggeration. Up until this point I've been able to host a clan of my own and get pretty much everything sans maybe the Profit-Taker Orb on my own. Now what used to be a basic, perfectly soloable system has been turned into a bloated mess of niche objectives.

 

4 hours ago, gabuchan said:

Silver Grove elite weekly is just a chore. I never completed Titania's quest because it was such a chore, and I'm not too keen on getting around to do it just for the extra 5k standing. Also, it kinda sucks that this somehow punishes people who just did the Titania quest before these came out. Kinda makes players hesitant to use certain materials out of fear of "Nightwave might need it next week." This sets a bad precedent. 

Yeah, it's another inventory check. "Do you have the items to summon the Silver Grove Spectres? Cool, here's your reward. Did you happen to use them a few days ago? Tough, do it again - it didn't count! Seriously, this staggered release of challenges gets more irritating with every passing week. Not only do the Elite Weeklies get worse, but we keep getting challenges for stuff we've already done last week.

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I had a lot of apothics lying around, so when doing Cervantes for the caches, I'd burn 3 of them, so people could get their challenges done. Getting the materials still take a lot of time, if you don't have a habit of scanning nodes regularly. One more challenge, that hits those with little precious playtime already.

And yet again, another "friend" dependent challenge. I guess our feedback will be for naught until another Nightwave season starts.

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3 hours ago, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:

I kind of hope you did get the points, twice. Would you be willing to try it a third time and take note of your points to see if they go up when it is completed again?
 

If you do, you would then need to report this as a bug so people don't exploit it.

When we did it the second time, we hadn’t noticed a raise I don’t believe. We can try it again but I don’t think we had any points at all.

 But if that’s the case and we did, I’d be heading to support asap.

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As things are now, I'm pretty sure I'll complete the first "season" of Nightwave and then take a long break from Warframe.

It's already called Chorewave for a reason. To get the lvl 30 armour, you have to do about 100 chores, many of these composed of multiple missions. Nearly all of them are a boring grind already done. And with seemingly very little basis with hunting the "Wolf of Saturn Six".

How on Earth does scanning 5 targets for Simaris help you fight the Wolf? Or doing 3+3+3 random missions? Or 10 Syndicate missions? Or sitting for an hour in lvl 1-6 Earth defense? Or redoing the Titania quest I already did a year ago?

On top of that, Nora keeps babbling about you being true to your truest self. Yeah, I really ain't.


Nora,

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8 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Hi. You're a Tenno, one of many. We often help one another get to places, and farm for resource. But while we are very powerful, we don't read minds. Ask for help, and we'll help. 

But yes, I mentioned that the lack of easy resources for newer players is one of my concerns. 

Oh but you see we are generally happy to help you to get more. It's why we are able to, and often do mark off special rare items for the other members of our squad to come and collect. If we weren't willing to help and accept help, this game would be a lot worse off than it is today. 

Again, not really. I have seen newbs complaining because they thought that skipping the MR requirement and buying a high level weapon would help them get ahead. Then they found out that that swords have stances, and without that, or the more exotic mods, the omgwtfbbq weapon that they wanted wasn't as good as it seemed. I can't remember what they were demanding, it was probably a refund or free stances to be included in the weaponry purchase. Whatever it was it was silly, and just highlighted that they thought that they could pay to win. 

Again, mostly what the plat does is speed things up. You don't have to wait 3 days for the frame to be built, or you can get the parts you are missing without as much grind. 

That's not true at all. Just run Lith or Coba or Tikal. It'll help you to rank your weapons and soon you will have more relics than Indiana Jones on an archeological dig site! Then run Lith fissures you can get to, and open them. 

The ones that you got from the alerts were not generally any better, despite having occasionally misleading descriptions. 

You think that they stealth nerfed xp? It's more likely that you're doing something weird, like not standing near the squad, you get passive xp from their kills. It is spread across your weapons and frame. And remember if you are busy killing with your abilities, you don't earn xp on your weapons. 

Oh and the weapons and frames don't benefit past Max rank. 

You don't need to know anyone buying them, just go in trade chat and type, "WTS prime junk, 5 for 10p, inv pls" then hit send. You will get flooded with requests, and run out of trades in no time flat. But you will have plat to buy slots as needed. And at this stage trying to buy the best mods will just leave you disappointed. Many of them you won't be able to fuse fully, and if you do, you won't have capacity for them. 

 

I know that you will not want to hear it, but you are really better off farming for the mods and learning how they work, than trying to rush to become powerful. 

What did they taxi you to? Many of the challenges don't require specific locations, and the ones that do tend to be more advanced. 

Ask in recruiting for a newb friendly clan with the research complete. I can't advise you on those for 2 reasons. The first is that we're on different platforms, and the other is that I built my own clan dojo and don't really care to join any other. But I still play with randoms all the time. 

And like I said playing with a squad helps you level stuff soooooo much faster. 

Very much so, Tenno. That's true of most things that are worth it. 

You really should just focus on your progress for now. If you can get Rhino he'll be a big help as you go along. 

Play in a random squad. Defense against Grineer or corpus is better than against infested, unless you are getting extra xp for using a weapon-type 

Like I said before, good luck, Tenno. 

Thank you for the advice. I've Solo'ed through to the Jupiter junction. Valkyr is deadly and I can't beat her. But then again I'm way ahead of myself. I just wanted to see if I could do it. I wanted to get to Ceres, Seminie.(spelling) just to see if I could level up there. Still 1-3 k on unranked weapons and with an affinity bonus.

From the Jupiter junction I went back to Ceres. Tried to level my weapons. Saw the 1-3k. Quit the game. I did focus on the weapons. Didn't use my powers at all. That is until I ran out of bullets. 

I did all of this because I failed the quests..... Over and over. So I thought "level up these weapons." The leg up on the Primes referred to higher damage resistance and power even unranked. I watched a friend with Chroma and I was in awe. But he really looks like a difficult frame to master. His Sword just sliced through them like cheese, unranked.

I hear what you're saying and it really never occurred to me that junk prime parts were of any value. 

I'll seek out a clan and play with randoms. The level I caused the hate was in cetus with the eidilon. Oops.

I'll go back to the quests. I don't have a serious problem with spy missions. But the last one I did I failed time and time again.

Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a shot.

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1 minute ago, NinjaFramer said:

I'll go back to the quests. I don't have a serious problem with spy missions. But the last one I did I failed time and time again.

Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a shot.

 

Earth Spy missions are nice and easy, good practice for those of us who started out terrible at them. You also have a chance at some gold mods if you get all three targets I believe.

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Sooo what’s going on?

My Fiancé and I did the “Go 40 waves with friends/clanmate”, made it no problem and got the “completed.”

 Problem is, when we were done, it doesn’t seem to have worked. It was replaced with the Eximus 0/100, which we didn’t get either. 

 So was that time wasted? We got it done fairly quickly, but if it’s being changed what’s the point of attempting? I didn’t even see red text telling us not to do it.

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Like sure it was fun and all, and we had a good team, but if I knew my time would have been wasted I wouldn’t have done it.

I do not know if we got points towards it- if we did it was only 3000. I don’t know, I’m just tired at this point.

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9 hours ago, gabuchan said:

Also nevermind 40 waves of defense. I can't get any of my former clanmates to log in again just so I can "use" them for 30-50-ish minutes of defense. It's not exactly the most inviting reason to get them to play again lol.

Because it is impossible to go in recruiting chat, type "lfg friends to do defense 40 waves, for Nora"? Especially as the vast majority of people who are going to play this week will probably want to get it done too? 

4 hours ago, Steel_Rook said:

And not for the better. You do realise what you're saying here, right? "I get that you enjoy playing the game, but you should consider not doing that." And no, that's not an exaggeration. Up until this point I've been able to host a clan of my own and get pretty much everything sans maybe the Profit-Taker Orb on my own. Now what used to be a basic, perfectly soloable system has been turned into a bloated mess of niche objectives.

Wow, you quoted him saying that people should probably consider joining clans, which are a significant feature of our multiplayer game. And somehow you manage to twist that into "you should consider not playing"? 

The vast majority of the challenges are doable passively, or are integral parts of the game as it exists today. If you have so much difficulty just asking a group of people who all want to complete the same challenges as you to accept an in-game friend request, that's on you, nobody else is to blame. 

2 hours ago, Enialyx said:

It's already called Chorewave for a reason. To get the lvl 30 armour, you have to do about 100 chores, many of these composed of multiple missions. Nearly all of them are a boring grind already done. And with seemingly very little basis with hunting the "Wolf of Saturn Six".

Chorewave? Is that a thing that you are trying to make happen. It didn't work for "that's so fetch" either but you would probably have better luck with that one. 

And the number of those challenges, yeah your math needs work. Like a lot. You don't need to do 100 challenges, you can get it done in 65. If you choose wisely and are capable of completing them. Even the 65 isn't the minimum, as I've been told the first half week is really a "bonus", and lots of people are noticing that convict captures add up quite a bit as the weeks go by. 

But hey, I get it. You're probably worried that you are not good enough to complete the 300k standing? And maybe you have too much trouble doing the basic every day parts of the game to make completing the challenges second nature? So it's easier if you just call sour grapes from the start to cover up any possible inadequacies, isn't it? I mean seriously, sorties, they're hard, who even does stuff like that, right? And opening relics, not like anyone does that anymore, right? 

2 hours ago, Enialyx said:

How on Earth does scanning 5 targets for Simaris help you fight the Wolf? Or doing 3+3+3 random missions? Or 10 Syndicate missions? Or sitting for an hour in lvl 1-6 Earth defense? Or redoing the Titania quest I already did a year ago?

Each of those makes us stronger in some way. Most obviously through mods. If we're stronger, that helps us fight the Wolf. 

I did the Titania as well. Took a while to figure out where the plants were. Know what I didn't do? Farm the spectres for their drops, but I really should have. 

The syndicate missions = standing, and standing = mods, and mods = plat or at least stuff that I can give to people to make their day. Either I'm directly benefitted or the community is and there are stronger Tenno that I can group with, which benefits me. Win-win. 

The 3+3+3+3 let me run fissures and open relics. Got a bunch of forma and some nice parts to feed to Baro. Is this something that you don't do? If not, where's the problem? 

 

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Did the 40 waves with a friend just get removed? I think I lost my NW points too. This is stupid. Don't make me do something just to take it away.

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Just now, (NSW)mrEkli said:

Did the 40 waves with a friend just get removed? I think I lost my NW points too. This is stupid. Don't make me do something just to take it away.

Yep.

My previous post shows we did it, but weren’t awarded points (I don’t believe). It was replaced with the “kill 100 eximus” which didn’t count in our 40 wave mission.

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2 minutes ago, (PS4)jaegerbombtastic said:

Yep.

My previous post shows we did it, but weren’t awarded points (I don’t believe). It was replaced with the “kill 100 eximus” which didn’t count in our 40 wave mission.

That's totally Chronicles of Ridiculous. 😞

 

EDIT: I thought they weren't changing Nightwave until this Season was over? Please be transparent with us, DE. What's going on?

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3 minutes ago, (NSW)mrEkli said:

That's totally Chronicles of Ridiculous. 😞

 

EDIT: I thought they weren't changing Nightwave until this Season was over? Please be transparent with us, DE. What's going on?

Megan Posted on twitter about it being investigated 3 hours ago. My guess is they will remove the Index one too as that isn't working either.

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Just now, (XB1)Tatakai no Kami said:

Megan Posted on twitter about it being investigated 3 hours ago. My guess is they will remove the Index one too as that isn't working either.

So does that mean I should check Twitter all the time? Would have been nice to have had something in game to tell us that. 

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Only Megan posted it? I was checking the main @PlayWarframe account. It should at least be RT'd there.

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Just now, (PS4)jaegerbombtastic said:

So does that mean I should check Twitter all the time? Would have been nice to have had something in game to tell us that. 

Let me know the last time they posted a message in game that they were changing something immediately.

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