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4 minutes ago, NezuHimeSama said:

Grinding in a lootgrind game should be the fun. Usually, it is.

So wait grinding in the past was fun, now it isnt?

How about you dont try to do all 10 Syndicate missions in one gameplay sitting? You do one or two, then you check what else is still open and do that instead. At least thats what I do. I feel no pressure, I do what I want to and then log off when I want to do something else. My quests this week are almost all started but not finished, and I will clean up some of that later today or tomorrow, when I feel like doing so.

I really dont mind most of the quests... Some are a bit more dull, most of them are fine. Doing 20 infested salvage to grind for Nidus was painful no matter which way you look at it... back then there was only one mission to do if you wanted a specific item You knew "I need to grind out a lot of the same thing until i got what I need, or I waste my time doing something like relics, or I log off and play something else". Now 10 quests each week progress me further in the standings, not just ONE mission I am supposed to play until my eyes bleed. I call this grind a big improvement overall, and I hope for a few tweaks to the things we are supposed to do.

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Doing them in one sitting or no, it doesn't matter. They're still chores to get done with an expiry date to force you to do them when you don't want to.

By your own logic, why not just not do that farm all in one go? The great thing about that content is it was always there. I didn't get nidus right away because it was a harsh grind. Instead, I played those missions when I wanted, because I could. With nightwave, that option is missing. How is that an improvement?

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9 hours ago, simplygnome said:

Its not wrong that you enjoy it, but it absolutely turns people off. So far I have witheld about $100ish in purchases since NW was released, and have stopped playing for the moment. Playing the way I liked to has not burned me out. Nightwave did by week 2.

Most of what you said is fine because we're all entitled to our opinion and each of us can only see small parts of the greater whole. The folks I am most likely to encounter are the ones doing the challenges and like I said most the ones I interacted with are having a blast even the ones who aren't at the top of the standings. There was one MR 6 newb who said he wasn't really doing them because he was working on getting better gear and getting further in the game. 

But I highlighted that piece above because there is something that I can't figure out.... You said that you stopped playing for now, but that playing the way you like doesn't burn you out. 

Why not just ignore Nora and go back to doing whatever it is that you normally do? That's been something that some people have suggested from the very start of the event, if you don't want to do it, just don't. The MR 6 figured it out on their own, what's stopped others from getting that it's a valid option? 

3 hours ago, Safe4Consumption said:

I hope someone at DE reads this and it is helpful. I have noticed I want to play less since Nightwave dropped, because I don't like the feeling of the game now when I get in. It's not about what I want to do anymore, it's sortie, then check nightwave, help clan members with nightwave, maybe do one mission I actually wanted to do, sign off.

What were you doing before? 

35 minutes ago, NezuHimeSama said:

And I haven't met a single person in-game who actually liked it.

What is the number of challenges have you run with public groups? (Note that the question is not "how many have you not run with public groups", I feel that I need to specify that there is a significant difference based on the difficulty you seemed to have with the last question.) 

 

35 minutes ago, NezuHimeSama said:

Grinding in a lootgrind game should be the fun. Usually, it is.

Is that because you can usually just buy whatever the case reward is, from the store or others? I ask because you were advocating for that somewhere back in the earlier part of the thread. 

22 minutes ago, random__noob said:

So wait grinding in the past was fun, now it isnt?

It's difficult to credit what they said there because when asked how long they figure it would take them to get to 30k in an average week, the only answer they'd give is "not less than 5 minutes per challenge" which if you do the math translates to "more than 40 minutes/week". Well that and the whole, "if they don't make it so we can buy the rewards the game will die" shtick way back when. 

 

Other than that I agree with pretty much everything that you said there. 

38 minutes ago, NezuHimeSama said:

By your own logic, why not just not do that farm all in one go? The great thing about that content is it was always there. I didn't get nidus right away because it was a harsh grind. Instead, I played those missions when I wanted, because I could. With nightwave, that option is missing. How is that an improvement?

Mainly because the dailies don't all drop at the start of the week? They're spread out and easily done simultaneously with the other challenges. So deferring some of the challenges that don't really synergise makes doing them more efficient. By making wise choices the amount of time spent getting all of those stacked rewards (loot from the grind-mission specific rewards-syndicate standing-syndicate rewards-nightwave standing-nightwave tier rewards including creds-nightwave creds store items) is minimised in return for a metric crap load of gains, with loads of time left over for doing other stuff by the end of the week. 

And when there are challenges I don't feel like doing, I just do something else. 

I do what I want, because I can. I skip what I want, because I can. And I'm a filthy casual who still hasn't gotten nidus. If I'm capable..... So it's difficult for me to understand why people are claiming that they can't opt out of any given challenge that they don't want to do, or even all of them if that's what they want to do. 

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On 2019-03-26 at 6:51 PM, (XB1)Tornicade said:

Wow....this was not my experience at.....first....mk1 weapons level pretty smoothly....2nd pug squading is natural part of the game.3rd the only plat you need to spend is 25 of the starter plat to get a reactor..4th the first 6 quest has everything you need to get started..5th a new player experience is slated for implmentation into the game...6th low level alert type missions exist in syndicates. 7th all mk1 weapons can be scrapped for slots once you upgrade..8th quality weapon upgrades can be had as low as mr 2.for credits. 9th plenty of complete researched clans that will let people join just to access bps. 10th nightwave daily alerts are alerts anyone can do...thats up to 7 k rank a week for a tier system that only requires 10k a tier...finding a couple 1ks and 3k to do is by far not a stretch...

 

You got bad info when you started warframe that put you focused on stuff that doesnt  matter .nightwave isnt a replacement for alerts its an solid upgrade with a few kinks to smooth out. one of the problems is vets telling new players they need adifferent warframe every time you run into a  hitch[like when i was stuck on the first 3 for 3 req spy mission i was told to get this frame or that frame when all i needed was to get better with my frame

 

 

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You are absolutely right. Listening to the wrong players. Experiencing Warframe I have to tell you. I was wrong. I would like to experience more than I do. I joined a clan that wasn't for me. We had a language barrier. A lot of clans have a MR minimum ranking. I would like to be a part of a nice clan. So I've been playing solo and with random players.

That said, thank you Veterans for helping. I need a patient group to be a part of. I'm not the best player. I'm not sure how the recruitment chat works. I know you may think "huh?" 

Thanks for your patience.

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Nightwave is fun but most of the challenges are way out of my league. I want to play all of them but I need a group that has a lot of patience.

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On 2019-03-25 at 3:25 PM, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Yeah they're about to be in higher demand for Baro at Tennocon. The problem most newbs have is that they think they can sell those unwanted items for big plat. They have value as junk to turn into ducats, but most of us don't care what pieces we get. If anyone tries to tell you that you have to give them unique parts or specific items, just say "sorry I'm not able to do that" and leave because they're cheating you. If they want specific stuff, then they can pay full price. 

The eidolon is really endgame content. You can't really do it until you get pretty far in the quests. And yeah some of the people playing there are pushing for the elite crowd to be the ones who join them, but even the casuals would probably have told you that you were way out of your depth. Focus on doing a bunch of the bounties instead, you'll benefit a lot more from some of those drops. 

But I'd honestly advise that you farm the bosses, starting with venus for Rhino. He will survive ridiculous situations if you play him right. 

For right now, don't sweat about the nightwave. Do what you can to make it through the challenges and get as many creds as possible. Get the materials you will need like some Nitain, and the mods you can grab. In general forget the majority of those weapons you'll be able to buy a lot of blueprints from the market and can use that to rank up. Potatoes are amazing but a bit of a waste if you are using them on weapons you're going to dump. 

 

Regarding Chroma, yeah he can boost his damage, but you don't need the prime for that. Yes they're a little stronger but if you aren't already maxed out its not as big of a deal as you might think. Take your time and learn the game, and get the better mods. What you're facing is something that stumped most of us at one time or another. Folks will probably help you along if you ask for advice. 

 

Most important, have fun. Don't be a hater like the wannabe edgelords and haters making a big deal out of this. You'll get stronger quickly andrew soon be able to get all the stuff you want. 

 

Good luck, Tenno. 

Thank you for your advice. It's turning out to be different than I thought. My advice to other players would be to chill and just enjoy the game. Have fun with it. Listening to all the negative strips the positive. Yes, things have changed. No, you don't have to like it. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, good or bad. I've discovered that keeping an open mind is key. 

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On 2019-03-26 at 6:51 PM, (XB1)Tornicade said:

Wow....this was not my experience at.....first....mk1 weapons level pretty smoothly....2nd pug squading is natural part of the game.3rd the only plat you need to spend is 25 of the starter plat to get a reactor..4th the first 6 quest has everything you need to get started..5th a new player experience is slated for implmentation into the game...6th low level alert type missions exist in syndicates. 7th all mk1 weapons can be scrapped for slots once you upgrade..8th quality weapon upgrades can be had as low as mr 2.for credits. 9th plenty of complete researched clans that will let people join just to access bps. 10th nightwave daily alerts are alerts anyone can do...thats up to 7 k rank a week for a tier system that only requires 10k a tier...finding a couple 1ks and 3k to do is by far not a stretch...

 

You got bad info when you started warframe that put you focused on stuff that doesnt  matter .nightwave isnt a replacement for alerts its an solid upgrade with a few kinks to smooth out. one of the problems is vets telling new players they need adifferent warframe every time you run into a  hitch[like when i was stuck on the first 3 for 3 req spy mission i was told to get this frame or that frame when all i needed was to get better with my frame

 

 

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I don't generally run challenges with pubs because they aren't significant enough to run, but the ones I have run haven't had people who like the direction Nightwave is taking the game. Same with people I know personally, and general pubs.

I have no idea how many because I don't count that sort of thing. Not sure why anyone would.

 

I said being able to pay to bypass the wait or grind is a good business mechanic that allows people to invest time, money, or a mix of both, and enjoy the game to it's fullest regardless of how busy their life is. People with lots of time tend to be children without much money. People with lots of money tend to be working folk who don't have that much free time. Because plat can be traded, and always has to come from DE somehow, having a plat economy allows players with money to buy goods from players with time, making both time and money, as well as any combination of the two, perfectly viable.

Contrary to your elitism and prior assertions, however, I have not actually purchased warframes or weapons, and have primarily spent plat on cosmetics, most of which was earned through trading before I had any money to spend. I've known a lot of players over the years, however, who did not have a great deal of time and were more than willing to spend a bit of money to skip the grind and play with their friends.

Not that you would understand something like that, of course.

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2 hours ago, NezuHimeSama said:

I don't generally run challenges with pubs because they aren't significant enough to run, but the ones I have run haven't had people who like the direction Nightwave is taking the game. Same with people I know personally, and general pubs.

I have no idea how many because I don't count that sort of thing. Not sure why anyone would.

Well that suggests that you have a very, very small sample size to be making the following assertion:

4 hours ago, NezuHimeSama said:

And I haven't met a single person in-game who actually liked it.

It suggests that you are well aware that you have made a statement where you know that you are able to cherry pick. 

 

2 hours ago, NezuHimeSama said:

I said being able to pay to bypass the wait or grind is a good business mechanic that allows people to invest time, money, or a mix of both, and enjoy the game to it's fullest regardless of how busy their life is.

Weird, this time there is less of a "the sky will fall and the game will die if you keep us from being able to do buy what is not a cosmetic reward". 

https://forums.warframe.com/?app=core&module=system&controller=content&do=find&content_class=forums_Topic&content_id=1066474&content_commentid=10609833

Folks are free to, and encouraged to follow the conversation all the way back to the beginning to confirm if they want. 🙄

2 hours ago, NezuHimeSama said:

Contrary to your elitism and prior assertions, however, I have not actually purchased warframes or weapons, and have primarily spent plat on cosmetics, most of which was earned through trading before I had any money to spend. 

Yeah, kinda funny that you would claim that right after I pointed out that I'm really not:

3 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

I do what I want, because I can. I skip what I want, because I can. And I'm a filthy casual who still hasn't gotten nidus. If I'm capable.....

 

Now, one final question:

Really, though, who are you trying to fool with that bad acting?

 

 

2 hours ago, NinjaFramer said:

Thank you for your advice. It's turning out to be different than I thought. My advice to other players would be to chill and just enjoy the game. Have fun with it. Listening to all the negative strips the positive. Yes, things have changed. No, you don't have to like it. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, good or bad. I've discovered that keeping an open mind is key. 

Glad to hear that you're having a better time!

It's a major problem we've got in warframe, lots of people who don't have the information, end up listening to the people who are complaining about stuff that may not even be true... (lots of people are still trying to claim 70% participation which was floated by some random at the start of the event based on very little information). 

But you're not the only person who was having a hard time getting stuff done. We've also seen veterans complaining about how difficult certain things are, but when you look at the details they're giving, it turns out that they are just doing things in a really really inefficient way. 

The great part is that as a community lots of people are going to be happy to help you out if you just let them know that you are having a tough time. It's a big part of why we have stuff like recruiting chat, just explain that you are new, and have read the wiki but it's your first time so you'll do your best but might need help. Most folks will understand because we were all there at some point. Being in a clan can help you find others to help as well. 

And as long as you are having fun, you will find that a lot of stuff that people are complaining about really is not a problem...

We don't have to worry about missing out on rewards we don't want to try to get. We don't need to have a super specific build to make our way through the game. We don't need hundreds of Nitain all at once to build any given thing. We don't need all the alert weapons at once, most will tell you that they are not even that great. 

And all of this will roll around again when you are stronger and can do more. You will get it all if you just stick around, and you'll stick around if you are having fun. So just have fun and you are good to go. 😉 👍

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ok so far out of the elite missions this is the only bad one i found Silver grove was a bad questline gameplay wise and you've STILL not fixed the drop rate on the plants you need for the apothics.

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6 hours ago, random__noob said:

So wait grinding in the past was fun, now it isnt?

There is a significant difference! Sure, grinding for Nidus was tedios and boring and a chore. But there is a goal you will reach eventually. Once you have all blueprints, you don't have to do that grind anymore, you don't have to do it ever again. Want Khora? Grind onslaught until your fingers bleed, then you'll get her and - if you don't like onslaught - you don't have to do it ever again.

Now with nightwave, there will be the same kind of challenges over and over again. How often have we seen "kill amount with damagetype"? How often did we have to do a (or even 5) sorties? How often 3 zones of onslaught? Syndicate missions? You see that this stuff comes back all the time already, and we're not even halfway through it! And do you really expect that the challenges will change for the next season? Not unless we all tell DE: Hey, this is a tedious chore, it needs to be fixed!

So saying that the challenges and the whole nightwave system is ok is very short-sighted. Do you want to settle with doing a sortie, 10 syndicate missions and 3 zones of onslaught every week for as long as you play warframe? And sure, now that one guy who claims "bUt YoU dOn'T hAvE tO, yOu cAN jUsT oPt oUt" will show up again. Yes, we could opt out. But that will lock us out from major parts of the game (not specifcally umbral forma, but mods that are rewards, auras and also all things in the wolf-cred-store, like nitain). And unless you're mr27 with maxed mastery, you will need nitain once in a while.

It would only be half as bad if there would be no unique things in nightwave rank rewards. Take out the unique mods and the umbral forma and it would be improved immediately! 

But there are unique items in there (and probably more unique stuff in the next season *cough*omega*forma*cough*) and wolf-creds expire, hence nighwaves are not something you can grind out and leave behind - unless you already have everything. Nightwaves are argon-crystal syndicates. You will have to grind over and over again because your progress (wolf-creds) expires.

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Actually, my sample size is perfectly adequate for that assertion. Nothing about that assertion is contradicted by any sample size at all.

It's also not my fault you hyperbolized what I said and turned it into some elitism pissing contest. But, any kind of sensible discussion was never the intention, since you're only here to derail the thread, obviously.

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12 minutes ago, TheFBD said:

There is a significant difference! Sure, grinding for Nidus was tedios and boring and a chore. But there is a goal you will reach eventually. Once you have all blueprints, you don't have to do that grind anymore, you don't have to do it ever again. Want Khora? Grind onslaught until your fingers bleed, then you'll get her and - if you don't like onslaught - you don't have to do it ever again.

Now with nightwave, there will be the same kind of challenges over and over again. How often have we seen "kill amount with damagetype"? How often did we have to do a (or even 5) sorties? How often 3 zones of onslaught? Syndicate missions? You see that this stuff comes back all the time already, and we're not even halfway through it! And do you really expect that the challenges will change for the next season? Not unless we all tell DE: Hey, this is a tedious chore, it needs to be fixed!

So saying that the challenges and the whole nightwave system is ok is very short-sighted. Do you want to settle with doing a sortie, 10 syndicate missions and 3 zones of onslaught every week for as long as you play warframe? And sure, now that one guy who claims "bUt YoU dOn'T hAvE tO, yOu cAN jUsT oPt oUt" will show up again. Yes, we could opt out. But that will lock us out from major parts of the game (not specifcally umbral forma, but mods that are rewards, auras and also all things in the wolf-cred-store, like nitain). And unless you're mr27 with maxed mastery, you will need nitain once in a while.

It would only be half as bad if there would be no unique things in nightwave rank rewards. Take out the unique mods and the umbral forma and it would be improved immediately! 

But there are unique items in there (and probably more unique stuff in the next season *cough*omega*forma*cough*) and wolf-creds expire, hence nighwaves are not something you can grind out and leave behind - unless you already have everything. Nightwaves are argon-crystal syndicates. You will have to grind over and over again because your progress (wolf-creds) expires.

Uh...so your saying....killing stuff with different mods and weapon types..cramps your playstyle?none suggested opting out of nightwave altogether but just not doing the challenges you dont like.....and solution is to remove rewards cause you dont feel like doing and fu to the ones who do?...its really an extreme take.....what challenges would you like to see?

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56 minutes ago, (XB1)Tornicade said:

Uh...so your saying....killing stuff with different mods and weapon types..cramps your playstyle?none suggested opting out of nightwave altogether but just not doing the challenges you dont like.....and solution is to remove rewards cause you dont feel like doing and fu to the ones who do?...its really an extreme take.....what challenges would you like to see?

My problem is, I don't like 50% of challenges. I hate 20% of challenges. I have to do 60%(or 70%, I don't know, just confirm something, DE).
I like killing stuff with different way. Other than that, meh. And continuous "meh" over months has become torture.

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1 hour ago, TheFBD said:

Yes, we could opt out. But that will lock us out from major parts of the game (not specifcally umbral forma, but mods that are rewards, auras and also all things in the wolf-cred-store, like nitain). And unless you're mr27 with maxed mastery, you will need nitain once in a while.

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Most of which can be bought, with traded for plat. And the Nitain was never something that you could get unlimited amounts of, on demand. Since it's difficult to continue pretending that there are many people who play regularly but are truly opposed to the vast majority of the game's content, it's really unreasonable to claim that nightwave is going to permanently lock anyone out of Nitain on a permanent basis.

Even if we allow for a completely antisocial newb who can't do any of the elites and only about 5 of the weeklies with 5 of the dailies due to only playing on two days of the week, you're still averaging out at 4 ranks in 2 weeks. 

Thats going to net you quite a bit of nitain, isn't it? So again what you're claiming is not working as far as the math goes. 

1 hour ago, TheFBD said:

But there are unique items in there (and probably more unique stuff in the next season *cough*omega*forma*cough*) and wolf-creds expire, hence nighwaves are not something you can grind out and leave behind - unless you already have everything.

Omega Forma? Sweet, sign me up. I don't even know what it does but heck yes! Of course if it turns out to be something that idgaf about, then I'll be exercising my option to skip those and just do other stuff in the game, like everyone who isn't pretending that we're being forced to play. 

1 hour ago, NezuHimeSama said:

Actually, my sample size is perfectly adequate for that assertion. Nothing about that assertion is contradicted by any sample size at all.

True. Of course the reverse is also true, since, for all anyone can tell you actually haven't had any interaction with even one person in the game, your claim is just meant to be intentionally misleading, as you're fully aware. 

Nice tactic. 

1 hour ago, NezuHimeSama said:

It's also not my fault you hyperbolized what I said and turned it into some elitism pissing contest. But, any kind of sensible discussion was never the intention, since you're only here to derail the thread, obviously.

Me saying "I'm super casual and haven't completed everything in the game", before you accuse me of elitism is me trying to claim be more elite than you? This made sense to you, when you wrote it out? Really now? 

Other than that, attempting to derail threads is against the rules. If you are making accusations, you really ought to just make a report and be done with. I understand that making false reports just because someone is disagreeing with you, is also an actionable offence though. 

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Just to throw in my rookie take on Nightwave.
At first I didn`t like it at all, but now I think it could grow into something better than Alerts with some changes.

Imo for new(-ish) players Nightwave offers very little reasons to do those tasks.
Early in the game you are still concerned with mundane stuff like credits, endo and basic mods. And you need those instantly.
So my first suggestion would be to add small amounts of those things as instant reward for all Nightwave challenges. Just like Alerts were a good way for new players to gain some extra cash.
I guess most seasoned players would enjoy seeing some sort of (semi-)instant reward as well, maybe through a really tough weekly challenge.

UI visibility ... just as a hint for DE, a friend of mine who started playing after the Nightwave launch didn`t even notice it`s existance. He thought it was just some meaningless advert.

The really positive thing of Nightwave vs. Alerts for new players is that it works better as a tour through the many sections of the game.
 

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4 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

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Most of which can be bought, with traded for plat. And the Nitain was never something that you could get unlimited amounts of, on demand. Since it's difficult to continue pretending that there are many people who play regularly but are truly opposed to the vast majority of the game's content, it's really unreasonable to claim that nightwave is going to permanently lock anyone out of Nitain on a permanent basis.

Even if we allow for a completely antisocial newb who can't do any of the elites and only about 5 of the weeklies with 5 of the dailies due to only playing on two days of the week, you're still averaging out at 4 ranks in 2 weeks. 

Thats going to net you quite a bit of nitain, isn't it? So again what you're claiming is not working as far as the math goes. 

Omega Forma? Sweet, sign me up. I don't even know what it does but heck yes! Of course if it turns out to be something that idgaf about, then I'll be exercising my option to skip those and just do other stuff in the game, like everyone who isn't pretending that we're being forced to play. 

True. Of course the reverse is also true, since, for all anyone can tell you actually haven't had any interaction with even one person in the game, your claim is just meant to be intentionally misleading, as you're fully aware. 

Nice tactic. 

Me saying "I'm super casual and haven't completed everything in the game", before you accuse me of elitism is me trying to claim be more elite than you? This made sense to you, when you wrote it out? Really now? 

Other than that, attempting to derail threads is against the rules. If you are making accusations, you really ought to just make a report and be done with. I understand that making false reports just because someone is disagreeing with you, is also an actionable offence though. 

Do you just ignore context in every thing and try to twist it until it makes no sense so you can blame everyone else for it?

Stupid question, of course you do.

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7 hours ago, hazerddex said:

ok so far out of the elite missions this is the only bad one i found Silver grove was a bad questline gameplay wise and you've STILL not fixed the drop rate on the plants you need for the apothics.

I somehow found that I had enough to build one, but there were only 2 of us at the time I was doing it, so I had to go farm some ruk's claw, and we used both of mine with one of his and some random who hopped into the squad got the benefit. Today I realise that way too many people seem to have put it off to the end, so I went and farmed some more and so I have one and I have to get some daylight threshcones, to make another that should go quickly... 

If I can get 3 I'll probably try to take a squad of randoms so they can get the challenge done before reset for the week. 

I took folk fishing too, just because I had the bait stockpiled. 

I'm thinking that if we all pitch in and help one another, we can make it that much easier. And hey, maybe some of the people who are thinking that these are difficult or impossible, might come to realise that they are playing a multiplayer game, and that a lot of people are willing to pitch in if they want to ask for help. 

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On 2019-03-18 at 5:59 AM, Syasob said:

Just no. Thanks in advance, DE.

That honestly just sounds like you don't wanna put forth the effort to complete it.  For some people, one hour suvival is fun, its not just about you guys getting a challenge you want, its about everyone getting something. That was supposed to appeal to endurance runners, which clearly you aren't,  but that doesn't mean everyone hates those challenges like you do.

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That crap is boring af. I barely manage to stay awake past 30 mins in these missions. In fact, I did fall asleep multiple times. Ugh.

How about instead of that actually put us in hard missions from the get go. That way it's interesting, exciting... and people who don't have time or patience for useless crap can still complete the challenges. Staying awake in a boring snooze fest for hours is not any mesure of skill.

And if it is forced, I want DE to send me a dose of legal cocaine then. I'm not putting up with this without something.

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A bad solution is no better than no solution. No thanks.

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I mostly do not like one hour long missions, especially when nothing is saved in a middle of mission. The negative of excessively long 1 hour mission: a chance of "Warframe has crashed". Everything would be lost if this happens in solo mode or if not able to rejoin fast enough.

 

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NO.

Putting some high-level missions in there would be cool, and would cover needing to know the content and build well. Hour-long missions are just obnoxious time-wasters that are ESPECIALLY infuriating if your connection isn't always reliable (which made previous hour-long missions basically impossible for me even though I can handle deadly content quite easily).

As for long Survival missions being unrewarding, that's a problem with Survival missions themselves, not something that should just be forced on players. Arbitrations have a decent system; instead of AABCAABCAABC, the reward rotation is ABCCCCCCCCCC. The pseudo-boosters gained in endless Void Fissure missions are also a good incentive for going longer, perhaps just needing to be more potent. Use those systems, don't just force people to stay for an hour by denying them rewards until that point.

The problem with tying Nightwave standing to these missions is that it's a time-limited reward. It's (relatively) finite. ABCCC reward rotations and stacking boosters are a much more acceptable approach because they definitely result in faster reward gains when you go for longer missions, but you aren't denying anything to those that don't want to take part in such content. Those that don't like or genuinely cannot do long missions are still able to get those rewards, even if at a much slower pace.

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On 2019-03-18 at 11:13 AM, Lodeion said:

I want 1-hour acts because of the positives and people who don't want 1-hour acts because of the negatives should be able to just not do them. See suggestions. Everyone should be happy.

I think the problem here is that not everyone is going to be happy unless everyone enjoys everything.  I know it has been said that you only need 60-65% of each week's standing to reach rank 30 and that you can top up with Saturn 6 Fugitives too but there are prestige ranks.  Apparently going above rank 30 will give more wolf credits which will allow the purchase of more stuff which is especially useful for people who don't have all the auras and alt helmets who now have to hope they have enough credits on the week the item they want turns up on offer.  The large amount of stuff on offer (especially for skin collectors but also free catalysts/reactors) and the promise of prestige ranks encourages people to want to achieve everythign each week.  It doesn't matter that 65% gets you rank 30 because the target is higher than that, the target is as much as you can do because you can't have too many wolf creds because you can always burn the spares on evergreen rewards just before the end anyway.

All that is why I think there should be options on how to complete some of the Acts.  An 'hour long Survival' as one Act and '10 perfect Spy missions' as another will only annoy the people who hate hour long missions and the people who hate Spy, but if there was one Act that allowed either Survival or Spy then I think people would be happier as they'd be able to get the 5,000 in their prefered way without feeling like they were missing out by not doing the other way.

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