SneakyErvin Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Klypto said: No, umbra always speeds it up. The slowdown is from the slow players picking the points up who may be "slow" in more than one way. All they have to do is stand where umbra is and wait for a few points to show up instead of running wildly around the map making them spawn everywhere. If spectre NPC's can do this, why can't people? No he doesnt. Just the fact that you rely on others to stand on you pretty much says the opposite of him always speeding it up. Just the part with the waiting automatically slows it down in comparison to running around and killing/picking up. You wait for them to come, time is wasted, you wait for them to spawn and time is wasted. Running in a spread out fashion means that player A may kill something, pick up the points and then the mobs he killed will spawn close to one of the other 3 players etc. In a pre-made he can be great, in a PuG it will just lead to missed points and a slower match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viges Posted March 31, 2019 Share Posted March 31, 2019 On 2019-03-30 at 6:49 PM, TeaBegging said: Considering Umbra excalibur doing all the killing, and the scores not registering in the scoreboard. does this mean cheating ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight_Ex Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 (edited) Umbra turret is the best thing about Index, if you have one on your team know the other team won't be scoring any points in high wave index, pair that with a competent operator build and you got a match made in heaven, people are just jelly cause they can't make Umbra work for them. Also for people that are complaining about him killing, he kills line of sight, ergo the operator has line of sight as well, I always mark the dropped tokens for other players and tell them before hand that its what I'll be doing, this is just another form of CC like Khora's spider dome and frosts bubble, only more lethal if they stay around too long. Edited April 1, 2019 by Knight_Ex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(NSW)Sk0rp1on Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Not bannable, but it might be against “community rules” like using an overpowered character in a fighting game. If conclave were more core to Warframe I’m sure the devs would look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruiz Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 9 hours ago, SneakyErvin said: Bannable offense or not, it is still a worse way to play index than playing manually. Even if he kills faster, he kills in positions where people may not see it as opposed to when a player does the kill manually. This leads to either missed points laying around or scores being made by the enemy. He is a counter productive frame for index. Thats why my team consist of 3 Umbra and 1 Rhino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F8ted Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 I have a feeling a few of the people in here haven't spent much time doing index so let's clue the op in. Of course it's not bannable. Fortunately in Warframe you will find very few things that are considered "bannable". Recently in patch notes it was revealed some players exploited host migration to rejoin games they had already captured Saturn six fugatives to capture them multiple times, cheating nightwatch standing. They said very few were obviously purposefully exploiting the feature and that appropriate actions would be taken. In short, it takes actually cheating the mechanics of the game for an intentional and disproportionate benefit. As far as umbra in the index? He is one of the best for the job. There was no "is it bannable if I use Excalibur Umbra and afk in index". OP, it is intelligent. With a proper operator build, not only do you get an additional teammate effectively, but one that auto targets, is healed whenever you switch back in and out of operator, and scales with the level of enemies in the current map. That means of course, after level 100, when other people's weapons have lost their sting umbra's will have scaled to level. Not to mention amps can be designed for the index too, from aoe explosives to an enemy seeking laser with the void damage status effect of slapping a bullet attractor around them. You should never die, financial stress does nothing to you and you can teleport from one end of the map to turn in in a matter of seconds. That being said it's not even unique to umbra: Equinox, whom we are about to see a lot more after her prime drops has an augment called duality. When using metamorphosis you get a specter for a few seconds that serves the same function as Umbra, it is just easier to achieve with Umbra now that he is available and you can not use your operator with the Equinox set up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Gruiz said: Thats why my team consist of 3 Umbra and 1 Rhino If you read further in the thread that is already explained. As I said, in a pre-made he can be great. In a pug he wont be most of the time. Hence why there are 10 frames to pick that are better than him, that dont rely on team comp one single bit. Rhino is also the least useful choice when it comes to "tanks" in there. Rev has dominated the spot since he came out and Hildryn currently does a better job than both since she doesnt rely on energy and she can replenish her "health" as she needs. And in a pre-made, why are you even using Rhino and not just a 4th Umbra? The whole point of him is to get another team member and not sit passivly in operator mode doing nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronometria Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Isnt index that place we all go to get credits for doing, basically, nothing against enemies that are going to get beaten 65-0? I don't really get this topic - I mean, most frames can press a single button or maybe two to make the whole encounter trivial - the whole setup just isn't fun in the first place, its not about a single frame. I am just happy if the timer goes down and I get my credits, personally and I seek actual challenge and interaction elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lhudge Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 You can't really afk because he often moves away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbioticViper Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said: If you read further in the thread that is already explained. As I said, in a pre-made he can be great. In a pug he wont be most of the time. Hence why there are 10 frames to pick that are better than him, that dont rely on team comp one single bit. Rhino is also the least useful choice when it comes to "tanks" in there. Rev has dominated the spot since he came out and Hildryn currently does a better job than both since she doesnt rely on energy and she can replenish her "health" as she needs. And in a pre-made, why are you even using Rhino and not just a 4th Umbra? The whole point of him is to get another team member and not sit passivly in operator mode doing nothing. Completely clueless. Any reading this Umbra speeds up every game. He's great in premades and pubs. As a player who is all about maximum efficiency I know😊 The above maybe completely clueless but is entitled to his point, agrue with him, don't agrue with him. At the end of the day Umbru is king and this man is saaaaalty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruiz Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 3 hours ago, SneakyErvin said: If you read further in the thread that is already explained. As I said, in a pre-made he can be great. In a pug he wont be most of the time. Hence why there are 10 frames to pick that are better than him, that dont rely on team comp one single bit. Rhino is also the least useful choice when it comes to "tanks" in there. Rev has dominated the spot since he came out and Hildryn currently does a better job than both since she doesnt rely on energy and she can replenish her "health" as she needs. And in a pre-made, why are you even using Rhino and not just a 4th Umbra? The whole point of him is to get another team member and not sit passivly in operator mode doing nothing. Mine was a coincidence pug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyErvin Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 48 minutes ago, Gruiz said: Mine was a coincidence pug So it is purely anecdotal without any comparison really. 2 hours ago, AbioticViper said: Completely clueless. Any reading this Umbra speeds up every game. He's great in premades and pubs. As a player who is all about maximum efficiency I know😊 The above maybe completely clueless but is entitled to his point, agrue with him, don't agrue with him. At the end of the day Umbru is king and this man is saaaaalty Not completely clueless, just of a different opinion. And if you are all about maximum efficiency you wouldnt really pug with an Umbra, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentHelmic Posted April 1, 2019 Share Posted April 1, 2019 Obviously a tool put out by DE being used in an extremely obvious way shouldn't be bannable. The ball is entirely in DE's court there. I do, however, think it's bad for the game, you're essentially demanding other players farm for you. It doesn't matter how effective it is or if it's even meta, because it's still a matter of one player getting to go do something else and get a reward while preying upon the time of other players who can't make the same choice, since if everyone AFK's the objective can't be completed. Why do you get to AFK and I have to be the one that does the work? It's exploitative. The Index already doesn't allow certain abilities or features to work, like how nobody has any companions except for Khora. I think it would be fair to disable Excalibur Umbra's ability to act independently in the Index to prevent AFK tactics, which historically has been something DE has used as justification for nerfs for other warframes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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