Feedback on Wolf of Saturn Six

[NuclearCoffeePot]

true i had a missio where nobody could do effectively anything so we all wanted to die and let him leave but one revvenant just set up a base and used transferance abilities to keep fighting constantly and we all had to leave cause he wouold of bneen there for ages

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

30 minutes ago, maddragonmaster said:

doesnt feel like that spawn rate increase at all

Is your sample size on the order of several thousand runs in a single node where he might spawn before and after the upgrade? If so "feels like" may be valid. If not.... 

[Aurea_Hiigara]

23 minutes ago, SoulPlease said:

 Can we stop trolling Warframe players with these 10-30min Wolf fights for the awesome reward of Molten Impact. Not asking for a nice reward every time just something I do not have 92 of. Thanks

Not to worry. Now you have 93.

[maddragonmaster]

10 minutes ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

Is your sample size on the order of several thousand runs in a single node where he might spawn before and after the upgrade? If so "feels like" may be valid. If not.... 

eh what ever. getting tired of this whole goose chase. in matter of fact maybe the should of called wolf goose because of the fact it feels like a wild goose chase.

[Alexandrious]

25 minutes ago, SoulPlease said:

 Can we stop trolling Warframe players with these 10-30min Wolf fights for the awesome reward of Molten Impact. Not asking for a nice reward every time just something I do not have 92 of. Thanks

Only if you agree that Wolf should scream "Daddy's  Home!" when he appears for you and you only. 

[nslay]

48 minutes ago, SoulPlease said:

 Can we stop trolling Warframe players with these 10-30min Wolf fights for the awesome reward of Molten Impact. Not asking for a nice reward every time just something I do not have 92 of. Thanks

I got two Tempo Royales on Friday night from fighting Wolf... and the sentient mask dropped a couple weeks ago. You can get some other stuff from him, it's rare (well maybe more like uncommon, because I've only seen Wolf maybe 15-20 times now), but it happens... and that was some crazy RNG I experienced! I just want the blue print at this point. I've never experienced a 30 minute Wolf fight even in a 4 player game. Who were you playing with? What gun were you using? Honestly...

I've been really trying to troll the Wolf out of his hiding place by forma-ing frames to appear like I'm helpless...

On the other hand, I don't think I've ever once got a single drop from any Saturn Six Fugitive even though they are documented by Codex and Wiki to drop stuff... and I've probably killed hundreds of them by now!

 

37 minutes ago, NuclearCoffeePot said:

true i had a missio where nobody could do effectively anything so we all wanted to die and let him leave but one revvenant just set up a base and used transferance abilities to keep fighting constantly and we all had to leave cause he wouold of bneen there for ages

Too bad that Revenant wasn't me because your fight would have been over in like 2-5 minutes...

 

The common theme I see here (which is what I am trying to exploit myself!) is that forum complaint posts describe Wolf showing up for players who basically have low rank or no proper equipment to fight Wolf. At least bring a radiation mod'd weapon. It doesn't have to be a sniper! I use Opticor Vandal with fire+electricity mods for radiation, but even bringing anything with radiation damage would probably help a lot (especially if everyone else brings such a weapon too!)... I usually just rank up a secondary and melee and always bring the one max'd Opticor Vandal. Anything else and you should expect to lose or even have a very long battle! We are well past these posts describing lengthy Wolf battles nearly at the end of Nightwave where everyone should know better by now...

[Test-995]

So, anything but a radiation weapons doesn't work at all?

What a great design, definitely a best assasin ever.

Perhaps purpose of wolf is trolling newbies and whoever didn't want to use radiation weapons because of reasons?

Then it's perfectly working for now, keep it as it is.

[Alexandrious]

purpose of wolf is salt. 

Its working o.o

[nslay]

2 minutes ago, Test-995 said:

So, anything but a radiation weapons doesn't work at all?

Radiation is most effective. If you can fit cold damage or pick a weapon with puncture damage, that should also help too!

Wolf is entirely Alloy Armor + Alloy Health.

https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Damage/Alloy_Armor

Radiation is your absolute best bet but the more stuff you have with +%damage in the above table will further help you!

[VanFanel1980mx]

1 hour ago, SoulPlease said:

 Can we stop trolling Warframe players with these 10-30min Wolf fights for the awesome reward of Molten Impact. Not asking for a nice reward every time just something I do not have 92 of. Thanks

250 wolf standing per Wolf fight at least, or 15 wolf cred.

[--DSP--Jetstream]

1 hour ago, NuclearCoffeePot said:

true i had a missio where nobody could do effectively anything so we all wanted to die and let him leave but one revvenant just set up a base and used transferance abilities to keep fighting constantly and we all had to leave cause he wouold of bneen there for ages

> revenant

revenant can kill even a lvl 75 wolf just by touching it with reave like 3 or 4 times

revenant is one of the most efficient wolf killer why would you leave omg

[nslay]

1 minute ago, --DSP--Jetstream said:

> revenant

revenant can kill even a lvl 75 wolf just by touching it with reave like 3 or 4 times 

revenant is one of the most efficient wolf killer why would you leave omg

I wish! It used to work! They patched that a while back though...

It's still handy for taking down level 80 Saturn Six Fugitives though (and using them as health restores during the fight!).

[--DSP--Jetstream]

Just now, nslay said:

I wish! It used to work! They patched that a while back though...

It's still handy for taking down level 80 Saturn Six Fugitives though (and using them as health restores during the fight!).

wait what they patched that? wow i mean whats the point of a warframe having abilities if it doesnt work de, its like playing any other third person shooter, so does this mean excalibur 4 also not work on it anymore?

[Oreades]

The wolf is a decent "boss" fight but as an RNG encounter it's horrible and his loot tables plus the fact that his weapon requires FOUR drops from him ..... makes the Stalker look down right philanthropic. 

[nslay]

Just now, --DSP--Jetstream said:

wait what they patched that? wow i mean whats the point of a warframe having abilities if it doesnt work de, its like playing any other third person shooter, so does this mean excalibur 4 also not work on it anymore?

Chroma's Vex Armor worked on him, so I don't see why not... I know Mesa's Peacemaker can't even target Wolf, but I bet any other manually controlled Exalted weapon would work. I've read a post about Titania killing Wolf in Razorwing mode (apparently Wolf has trouble hitting tiny fairies!), so the exalted weapon Dex Pixia definitely worked at some point unless they patched it!

Revenant's Reave is a little different though... Reave is an attack that deals damage in terms of target % max health. You could kill any level Wolf with exactly 13 Reaves without any mods (you can't Enthrall him for the bonus synergy drain!).  Anyway, when it worked, I could kill level 35 and level 80 in exactly the same amount of time (30 seconds?)! I'm sure that's not what DE intended!

[SneakyErvin]

Just carry one good gun and bring along your cat with sharpened claws. Wolf goes down very fast in that case.

I havent gotten to fight him many times but the times I have he has gone down fast. First time it took 4 shots from Catchmoon to kill him, this was however at fairly low level in the void and solo shortly after nightwave started. The other times the fights have lasted maybe a minute when I've been grouped in the "higher" parts of the star map (Hydron, Mot etc.). 

Sharpened Claws plus a high crit Catchmoon just melts him. And if you dont wanna waste a weapon slot, just equip Excal(Umbra/Prime), Valkyr or Titania modded for radiation. Drawback is you need to hang back a bit with Titania before going all out pew pew pew because you want your cat to strip his armor before you go fairy mode, otherwise it wont do anything.

Edited April 28, 2019 by SneakyErvin

[Acersecomic]

On 2019-04-25 at 9:29 PM, Tubsie said:

"Nightwave is a hot prod sticking into the back of my neck, putting another daadline and quota and months of wait for something I work for."

Again, despite you calling me names: Nightwave gives you MORE time than the old system. Not less. Do explain how you managed to complete max 2h alerts in the old system instead of the current 7 day system? I'm listening.

Here's a simple way to say it. It takes you 7-14 days to get anything.

[NuclearCoffeePot]

A big problem with wolf is that he takes obscene dmg and his lil buddies are completely immune while they lob fireballs at you- not to mention some of his attacks drag you in like your ammo to a vacuum- 

[ChaoticEdge]

well, that is true, I hate bs wolf keep on dropping of useless mods when players already got it that isn't much value to be greater which everyone prefers either a gold mod or either a prime mod which everyone would of and willing to kill the wolf for it.

[QuantumTsume]

vor 2 Stunden schrieb SneakyErvin:

Just carry one good gun and bring along your cat with sharpened claws. Wolf goes down very fast in that case.

Well the people that have problems with our dear doggo here either don't have that kind of equipment, I personally don't have a kavat after >1100h because they're a pain in the arse to get a hold of, and more importantly you have to think about the part of the community that doesn't collect OHK weapons like nanospores because they aren't that far into the gayum. Problems don't arise when doggo spawns on Venus but when you quick-level a weapon on Hydron or Helene, and he John Cena's your 300hp frost wielding his trusty *insert MR fodder*, or you try to grind something with a specialised frame in the upper Starchart and suddenly your Ember(rest in peace) or Ivara or I dunno ... Volt?. So you pull out your Imperator Vandal jumping in circles waiting for this lvl 76 sponge to either bite the dust after way too long or either get rng-nuked by his russian mashed potatoes with Molotov's, or get involuntarily get roundhouse slammed back into the Industrial Age. 

And even if you were to get him dead his drop pool feels like it's idol is anthem but it overshot like a mortar used as a cqc weapon. So I'm personally annoyed with the wolf as after he did went to Detroit to become sentient he, for me, never dropped anything worth 1min of my day, much less 30. May be my horrible RNG but when I first encountered him it took me roughly 5mins solo downing him at ~30 but since his level seems to be roughly=(current level of stage-starting level of stage)/2+starting level of stage+30(warning pulled out of my arse just what I feel could be a guesstimate).you hopefully can see where I'm coming from.

TL;DR: Wolf Succ in post Saturn missions when unprepared aka 90% of play

[(PSN)guzmantt1977]

5 hours ago, Test-995 said:

So, anything but a radiation weapons doesn't work at all?

What a great design, definitely a best assasin ever.

Perhaps purpose of wolf is trolling newbies and whoever didn't want to use radiation weapons because of reasons?

Then it's perfectly working for now, keep it as it is.

What a ridiculous question. You're obviously only saying that to try and deceive other people who don't know any better. But I'll respond anyway as if it were something that you didn't already know from the million and one other people who've posted explaining what works. 

Status doesn't work, don't waste any time on it, so build for crits instead. 

Out of all the damage types radiation does the most damage against his weaknesses. So using that is the best, but you do better if you just stay away from slash, electric and magnetic as those suffer the most from his resistances. 

Completely stripping his armour is a great idea, so take something that can help you do that if you can't rely on others to do that for you, but if you can't, don't sweat it because his armour has the exact same weaknesses. 

Many people already have a weapon that perfectly meets their needs to take him on, their eidolon hunting rifle. 

1 hour ago, QuantumTsume said:

Problems don't arise when doggo spawns on Venus but when you quick-level a weapon on Hydron or Helene, and he John Cena's your 300hp frost wielding his trusty *insert MR fodder*, or you try to grind something with a specialised frame in the upper Starchart and suddenly your Ember(rest in peace) or Ivara or I dunno ... Volt?.

Hahahahahahahaha oh that's funny. Ivara can pull a vanish and just use her arrows on him a few times. Pop pop pop he's dead and his little buddies are next. 

Volts shields boost damage just like in your eidolon hunts. 

So... Care to come up with a few more bad excuses for why it's taking you a half of an hour? 

[Aldain]

7 hours ago, AvaloN1101 said:

If you play Warframe without paying your way through every grind, I fail to see how Waframe isn't a sloggish game. Many grinds and farms for certain mods, frames, arcanes, et cetera are far more tedious than fighting the Wolf, even with boosters. It makes me feel like we aren't playing the same game. As a result I'm failing to see how this type of sentiment can actually hold any water, so to speak.

Edit: I'm not trying to discredit personal tastes btw. If it's not fun for you and a bunch of other people, then that's fine. Perfectly normal. It doesn't mean something needs to be changed though, it's a simple obstacle. Nothing worth all the hate he's been receiving from a bunch of threads on the forums.

Its a fair personal notion, and yes I agree that one person's challenge can be another's slog, but my issue with the Wolf only stems from how the only real way to avoid him is to either not do missions or abort from them, especially if he shows up on defense or interception and all 4 players won't go down in a public match.

I won't complain about say, Eidolon farming, which can be a slog for those looking for Arcanes, because you CHOOSE to do them. I and many other players don't have an option aside from those. A fair challenge is something that you opt into in my eyes, PvP can be a fair challenge and fun for some people, some people enjoy farming Exploiter and Profit-taker, others loathe it with a undying passion.

The only issue I take is the lack of choice when it comes to the Wolf and how portions of the community think that not liking a lack of choice is the same as not liking challenge in ANYTHING. A slog is mostly only a slog if one lacks a choice in how they go about it, I don't like Kuva farming so I don't bother with Rivens for example. Some people like Arbitrations, I don't so I don't do them, but I don't HAVE to do them because a mission won't randomly say "Oh by the way this is now an Arbitration, hope you weren't expecting a standard Mobile Defense mission".

The only change I would advocate right now is making him less universal in where he appears or making him something you choose to go to, not the other way around, like the acolytes.

[AshenHaze]

Wow, you got Molten Impact?

I'm jealous, I mostly get Eleventh Storm.

[Renegade343]

22 minutes ago, AshenHaze said:

Wow, you got Molten Impact?

I'm jealous, I mostly get Eleventh Storm.

Hey, at least you don't have to deal with Lephantis when it's very, very angry. Like today's Sortie, for instance.

[AshenHaze]

Just now, Renegade343 said:

Hey, at least you don't have to deal with Lephantis when it's very, very angry. Like today's Sortie, for instance.

I did, but just brought a rubico and prayed the other PUGs had good weapons.

I had 30% damage, some other guy 50% so the answer was a resounding "maybe".