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A big problem with wolf is that he takes obscene dmg and his lil buddies are completely immune while they lob fireballs at you- not to mention some of his attacks drag you in like your ammo to a vacuum- 

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well, that is true, I hate bs wolf keep on dropping of useless mods when players already got it that isn't much value to be greater which everyone prefers either a gold mod or either a prime mod which everyone would of and willing to kill the wolf for it.

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vor 2 Stunden schrieb SneakyErvin:

Just carry one good gun and bring along your cat with sharpened claws. Wolf goes down very fast in that case.

Well the people that have problems with our dear doggo here either don't have that kind of equipment, I personally don't have a kavat after >1100h because they're a pain in the arse to get a hold of, and more importantly you have to think about the part of the community that doesn't collect OHK weapons like nanospores because they aren't that far into the gayum. Problems don't arise when doggo spawns on Venus but when you quick-level a weapon on Hydron or Helene, and he John Cena's your 300hp frost wielding his trusty *insert MR fodder*, or you try to grind something with a specialised frame in the upper Starchart and suddenly your Ember(rest in peace) or Ivara or I dunno ... Volt?. So you pull out your Imperator Vandal jumping in circles waiting for this lvl 76 sponge to either bite the dust after way too long or either get rng-nuked by his russian mashed potatoes with Molotov's, or get involuntarily get roundhouse slammed back into the Industrial Age. 

And even if you were to get him dead his drop pool feels like it's idol is anthem but it overshot like a mortar used as a cqc weapon. So I'm personally annoyed with the wolf as after he did went to Detroit to become sentient he, for me, never dropped anything worth 1min of my day, much less 30. May be my horrible RNG but when I first encountered him it took me roughly 5mins solo downing him at ~30 but since his level seems to be roughly=(current level of stage-starting level of stage)/2+starting level of stage+30(warning pulled out of my arse just what I feel could be a guesstimate).you hopefully can see where I'm coming from.

TL;DR: Wolf Succ in post Saturn missions when unprepared aka 90% of play

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5 hours ago, Test-995 said:

So, anything but a radiation weapons doesn't work at all?

What a great design, definitely a best assasin ever.

Perhaps purpose of wolf is trolling newbies and whoever didn't want to use radiation weapons because of reasons?

Then it's perfectly working for now, keep it as it is.

What a ridiculous question. You're obviously only saying that to try and deceive other people who don't know any better. But I'll respond anyway as if it were something that you didn't already know from the million and one other people who've posted explaining what works. 

Status doesn't work, don't waste any time on it, so build for crits instead. 

Out of all the damage types radiation does the most damage against his weaknesses. So using that is the best, but you do better if you just stay away from slash, electric and magnetic as those suffer the most from his resistances. 

Completely stripping his armour is a great idea, so take something that can help you do that if you can't rely on others to do that for you, but if you can't, don't sweat it because his armour has the exact same weaknesses. 

Many people already have a weapon that perfectly meets their needs to take him on, their eidolon hunting rifle. 

1 hour ago, QuantumTsume said:

Problems don't arise when doggo spawns on Venus but when you quick-level a weapon on Hydron or Helene, and he John Cena's your 300hp frost wielding his trusty *insert MR fodder*, or you try to grind something with a specialised frame in the upper Starchart and suddenly your Ember(rest in peace) or Ivara or I dunno ... Volt?.

Hahahahahahahaha oh that's funny. Ivara can pull a vanish and just use her arrows on him a few times. Pop pop pop he's dead and his little buddies are next. 

Volts shields boost damage just like in your eidolon hunts. 

So... Care to come up with a few more bad excuses for why it's taking you a half of an hour? 

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7 hours ago, AvaloN1101 said:

If you play Warframe without paying your way through every grind, I fail to see how Waframe isn't a sloggish game. Many grinds and farms for certain mods, frames, arcanes, et cetera are far more tedious than fighting the Wolf, even with boosters. It makes me feel like we aren't playing the same game. As a result I'm failing to see how this type of sentiment can actually hold any water, so to speak.

Edit: I'm not trying to discredit personal tastes btw. If it's not fun for you and a bunch of other people, then that's fine. Perfectly normal. It doesn't mean something needs to be changed though, it's a simple obstacle. Nothing worth all the hate he's been receiving from a bunch of threads on the forums.

Its a fair personal notion, and yes I agree that one person's challenge can be another's slog, but my issue with the Wolf only stems from how the only real way to avoid him is to either not do missions or abort from them, especially if he shows up on defense or interception and all 4 players won't go down in a public match.

I won't complain about say, Eidolon farming, which can be a slog for those looking for Arcanes, because you CHOOSE to do them. I and many other players don't have an option aside from those. A fair challenge is something that you opt into in my eyes, PvP can be a fair challenge and fun for some people, some people enjoy farming Exploiter and Profit-taker, others loathe it with a undying passion.

The only issue I take is the lack of choice when it comes to the Wolf and how portions of the community think that not liking a lack of choice is the same as not liking challenge in ANYTHING. A slog is mostly only a slog if one lacks a choice in how they go about it, I don't like Kuva farming so I don't bother with Rivens for example. Some people like Arbitrations, I don't so I don't do them, but I don't HAVE to do them because a mission won't randomly say "Oh by the way this is now an Arbitration, hope you weren't expecting a standard Mobile Defense mission".

The only change I would advocate right now is making him less universal in where he appears or making him something you choose to go to, not the other way around, like the acolytes.

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Wow, you got Molten Impact?

I'm jealous, I mostly get Eleventh Storm.

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22 minutes ago, AshenHaze said:

Wow, you got Molten Impact?

I'm jealous, I mostly get Eleventh Storm.

Hey, at least you don't have to deal with Lephantis when it's very, very angry. Like today's Sortie, for instance.

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Just now, Renegade343 said:

Hey, at least you don't have to deal with Lephantis when it's very, very angry. Like today's Sortie, for instance.

I did, but just brought a rubico and prayed the other PUGs had good weapons.

I had 30% damage, some other guy 50% so the answer was a resounding "maybe".

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Just now, AshenHaze said:

I did, but just brought a rubico and prayed the other PUGs had good weapons.

 I had 30% damage, some other guy 50% so the answer was a resounding "maybe". 

For us, one guy got downed a few times because according to him, he didn't see the Grineer head scythe swing. Then again, that match was a bit laggy, so I dunno.

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I've been on almost daily since the event started and I've only seen the guy 5 times, 3 he didn't drop anything, 2 he dropped an axe head. The RNG is terrible.

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I have to laugh at those players who are complaining about the Wolf while quick leveling on Hydron. It's a higher level mission exploited by players who want a quick hook up but then whine when he pops up at the level he should be at. Then they ask DE to nerf him!! Too much! Lol!!

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9 hours ago, maddragonmaster said:

eh what ever. getting tired of this whole goose chase. in matter of fact maybe the should of called wolf goose because of the fact it feels like a wild goose chase.

The Goose of Saturn 6

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To be fair, back when stalker wasn't a complete joke (especially now that operator and amps are a thing) he was the same. You just have to accept that maybe if you don't bring a single good weapons to a mission in order to be more greedy with EXP (aka take a risk), maybe it's your own fault you got rekt by the wolf (on the low chance that he spawns).

Still though, not sure how you could manage 30 minutes and not kill him, now that his tankiness was nerfed twice. Like even before the tankiness nerfs and level nerf, when he spawned in sorties with over lvl 100 (there were 4 of us and level scales with number of players), it took me ~10 minutes or so at most (granted, I had my Valkyr, but the fights feel longer than they are, cause you're essentially just pumping dps into a target dummy, which is a bit tedious). But now he was nerfed quite a bit, and if it's not a sortie he spawns in, if you have at least one decent weapon you should experience no problems.

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12 hours ago, SoulPlease said:

 Can we stop trolling Warframe players with these 10-30min Wolf fights for the awesome reward of Molten Impact. Not asking for a nice reward every time just something I do not have 92 of. Thanks

"*massive stuck up sounding snort*

HA! you CLEARLY were not bringing the correct gear/obnoxious meta item specifically to deal with the 6% chance of a wolf! you are clearly a "needs to GitGud noobscrub" that has no place playing warframe!"

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ok yes this is sarcasm and i actually agree with OP, as while i can bring Valkyr and kill in under a minute on hydron the idea of having to always bring a response to one specific and extremely situational boss is tiresome... i am genuinely tired of this "well you should be more prepared" response.

4 hours ago, (PS4)guzmantt1977 said:

-snip-

like everything in this post.

 

but what i find truly insulting... is the utter lack of reward the wolf gives..

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3 hours ago, Renegade343 said:

Hey, at least you don't have to deal with Lephantis when it's very, very angry. Like today's Sortie, for instance.

Today's Sortie was the fastest I have ever killed Lephantis, including not Sortie assassinate.

6 hours ago, QuantumTsume said:

his drop pool feels like it's idol is anthem

This has been happening more and more often with RNG in Warfarm these days...

11 hours ago, Alexandrious said:

Only if you agree that Wolf should scream "Daddy's  Home!" when he appears for you and you only. 

Ok. I could live with that.

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2 hours ago, (PS4)GEN-Son_17 said:

I have to laugh at those players who are complaining about the Wolf while quick leveling on Hydron. It's a higher level mission exploited by players who want a quick hook up but then whine when he pops up at the level he should be at. Then they ask DE to nerf him!! Too much! Lol!!

You tell me how you're gonna take down a lv70 wolf on hydron with a rank 15 ungilded catchmoon and his buddies being INVINCIBLE and one shotting your volt prime even with dual umbrals by just touching the fire patch. I wouldn't mind the fight if not for his buddies being INVINCIBLE, who in the world thought this was fine?

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3 minutes ago, KolDynamo said:

You tell me how you're gonna take down a lv70 wolf on hydron with a rank 15 ungilded catchmoon and his buddies being INVINCIBLE and one shotting your volt prime even with dual umbrals by just touching the fire patch. I wouldn't mind the fight if not for his buddies being INVINCIBLE, who in the world thought this was fine?

You missed the entire point made by the person you quoted.

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4 hours ago, AshenHaze said:

I did, but just brought a rubico and prayed the other PUGs had good weapons.

I had 30% damage, some other guy 50% so the answer was a resounding "maybe".

Why would you bring a rubico to fight lephantis? Was it a sniper only condition?

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Now I absolutely hate the Wolf to no end.
I do like his concept,but his execution is...just god awful

1) He's way too #*!%ing tanky
He has a S#&$ton of armor,and his health is also armor, and enough armor to have a damage reduction of over 80%. And there's no way to remove and even lower it. 

2) His weakness is too specific
He has a weakness of Radiation,sure. But you need a very specific Radiation Crit weapon...and Radiation is a meh damage type.
Radiation is only good against Grineer and half of the Corrupted, it doesn't do much against Corpus and terrible against Infested
So you'd need to bring a specific type of build that's only good against 1, maybe 1 and a half faction,because Wolf's decided to spawn and #*!% you over

3) His Drop Table is absolutely terrible
Now Tempo Royale is good,and he does have the highest drop chance of Tempo Royale,but everything else is just...why
Imagine spending almost 20 minutes,maybe even 30 minutes, taking down a big #*!% off Wolf,not being equipped with Radiation because it won't be much help to the mission
Spending so much time and requiring a fair amount of coordination, and then being rewarded with...MOLTEN IMPACT...for the 5th time...

his other drops are fine,no real need to change that

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I agree a lot of his drops are just a slap in the face. I’ve fought the guy 15-20 times maybe and I’ve gotten 1 good drop.

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9 minutes ago, Randomdudu_K said:

Now I absolutely hate the Wolf to no end.
I do like his concept,but his execution is...just god awful

1) He's way too #*!%ing tanky
He has a S#&$ton of armor,and his health is also armor, and enough armor to have a damage reduction of over 80%. And there's no way to remove and even lower it. 

2) His weakness is too specific
He has a weakness of Radiation,sure. But you need a very specific Radiation Crit weapon...and Radiation is a meh damage type.
Radiation is only good against Grineer and half of the Corrupted, it doesn't do much against Corpus and terrible against Infested
So you'd need to bring a specific type of build that's only good against 1, maybe 1 and a half faction,because Wolf's decided to spawn and #*!% you over

3) His Drop Table is absolutely terrible
Now Tempo Royale is good,and he does have the highest drop chance of Tempo Royale,but everything else is just...why
Imagine spending almost 20 minutes,maybe even 30 minutes, taking down a big #*!% off Wolf,not being equipped with Radiation because it won't be much help to the mission
Spending so much time and requiring a fair amount of coordination, and then being rewarded with...MOLTEN IMPACT...for the 5th time...

his other drops are fine,no real need to change that

Pretty sure Kavats whit Sharpened Claws and Corrosive Projection affect his armor.

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What you can do to slightly alleviate the pain is to always have a Radiation Archgun with you. That won't solve the whole nightmare if the Wolf spawns at level 70 with 20 billions HP but that's still something.

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I've never had Radiation on my weapons, and my melee has Condition Overload (status doesn't work on the Wolf), and I still melt him. I'm not going to pretend he's not tanky, but I feel like some players have gear choices and play styles that conflict how to fight the Wolf.

Tonfas and Dual Swords work nicely on him as they hit twice on slide attacks. Magus Repair is good to heal yourself before you die. Rubico Prime is always a good choice.

I do agree his drop table is annoying. Fighting a rare boss to get a single melee elemental mod or a Spinning Needle is a joke.

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