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1 hour ago, cmacq said:

What is with the damn timers on everything? Do you really just want kids to play your game? I am a senior and don't have the hand/eye I had years ago. You have tons of content here. Get rid of the timers. I am almost ready to move on because of this "feature" alone. It should also be pointed out that as a senior I have more disposable income to spend on games. Seems like you don't want my money.....

If you didn't know, you can do missions in solo mode and then literally pause the game in missions by pressing ESC. Unfortunately doesn't work in PoE or Fortuna, but you can limit yourself to normal missions when you get interrupted a lot.

edit: oh, it's about bounties. yeah screw those cache missions. no one wants to search for random S#&$. can't even listen to music when searching for those

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Thx for the replies guys. The OP comes from the back pain I've had over the past several days. Put my back out and I can barely walk. About all I can do is sit in my chair and play video games. Oh the delights of ageing. In any event I'll persevere although I am still not convinced there is any need for some of these timers anymore. I mean that bounty still would have taken me 10 minutes or so and given I can't get any more rep for the day, why would I bother? Just really wanted to have a look at POE given the new patch and all....

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1 minute ago, cmacq said:

Thx for the replies guys. The OP comes from the back pain I've had over the past several days. Put my back out and I can barely walk. About all I can do is sit in my chair and play video games. Oh the delights of ageing. In any event I'll persevere although I am still not convinced there is any need for some of these timers anymore. I mean that bounty still would have taken me 10 minutes or so and given I can't get any more rep for the day, why would I bother? Just really wanted to have a look at POE given the new patch and all....

You don't have to do bounties to enjoy PoE or any of the open worlds.  I don't even bother with bounties in most cases.  Yet I do enjoy exploring, hunting, stalking enemies in the open world.  

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8 minutes ago, cmacq said:

Thx for the replies guys. The OP comes from the back pain I've had over the past several days. Put my back out and I can barely walk. About all I can do is sit in my chair and play video games. Oh the delights of ageing. In any event I'll persevere although I am still not convinced there is any need for some of these timers anymore. I mean that bounty still would have taken me 10 minutes or so and given I can't get any more rep for the day, why would I bother? Just really wanted to have a look at POE given the new patch and all....

Hope you start feeling better and that a few suggestions will help with future bounty caches.

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1 hour ago, cmacq said:

Thanks and yes I have done a ton of those. I guess part of the problem is the sandbox nature of the game. You don't know know what you really need to do vs what is optional.

If your trying to level on the plains or in orb vallis... Go fishing or mining. Its much faster than doin bounties and u can do it at ur own pace.

Send me an Ingame friend request, i can help u.

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I would just try to always have some sort of loot mod.  Loot radar and thieves wit for your frame and if you cant spare the slot bring a pet with animal instincts.  Or primed animal instinc if you have the resources to get from baro atm.  Just remember if you get the caches in a bounty and there is a cave nearby ther most likely underground.  

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2 hours ago, cmacq said:

What is with the damn timers on everything? Do you really just want kids to play your game? I am a senior and don't have the hand/eye I had years ago. You have tons of content here. Get rid of the timers. I am almost ready to move on because of this "feature" alone. It should also be pointed out that as a senior I have more disposable income to spend on games. Seems like you don't want my money.....

Actually, timers are put, so that you have some time, before a mission's task ends or is failed. If you don't manage to defeat enemies before a certain time limit, the bounty fails, but you can still get rewards from parts that you completed. Yes, incursions has a time limit too, but you can decide if doing these or not.

If you take a bounty, you have to go on that point and do what the bounty's part says. You can equip mods that allows you to highlight certain resources and/or enemies, like Animal Instinct, Thief's Wit, Loot Detector, Enemy Sense, Enemy Radar and/or Stealth Drift. Or even better, a Synthetis Scanner, which can show all the stuff that you managed to scan (if completed, they will show a nice green aura).

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2 hours ago, cmacq said:

What is with the damn timers on everything? Do you really just want kids to play your game? I am a senior and don't have the hand/eye I had years ago. You have tons of content here. Get rid of the timers. I am almost ready to move on because of this "feature" alone. It should also be pointed out that as a senior I have more disposable income to spend on games. Seems like you don't want my money.....

Having more beginner weapons in the game cost credits, then improvising the time to plat ratio would be a win-win. The Market stats to seem less relevant in the Story’s concept as some non Tenno faction weapons will sit on crafting timer. If that ‘Horse face’ Darvo is such a good space pirate, then he can have better category for credits worth and other items at the relays. Seeing beginner weapons in the relays sold out as it is not the peak of our use of the character. In other words the market doe need some items up to tier B to be purchased for credits and some of the expensive items be discounted at the Relays from Darvo.  It beats waiting a few times a year on a event to rescue Darvo or the seasonal super sale on The Hunhow Gift bundle.

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2 hours ago, cmacq said:

 What is with the damn timers on everything? Do you really just want kids to play your game? I am a senior and don't have the hand/eye I had years ago. You have tons of content here. Get rid of the timers. I am almost ready to move on because of this "feature" alone. It should also be pointed out that as a senior I have more disposable income to spend on games. Seems like you don't want my money.....

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there are many reasons for timeres in games like this.

1. to make money- as stated above this game is free to play and the devs need to keep the lights on somehow.  so they charge an impatience tax to make monney

2. to slow down the players- it is impossible to create content faster than it can be consumed one way to give yourself some extra time is to delay the consumption of content through an artificial means in warframe's case these manifest as standing caps.  
3. to prevent burn out- this is often found in various games where they don't want the player to play/ grind for hours at a time.  it, for the most part, acts and looks similar to the above.  
4. to create scarcity/ a need to play now- this most closely ties into the first reason.  

however, I don't fully understand your statement.  the timers are great if you are a 9-5er and only can pay at a specific time each day.   (in my case 6-10)  if I start a 24h Item at 8 then I can use it the next day frames are three days later... the only time one of these timers are frustrating is forma where the 24hour nature of a resource that every weapon needs 2-6 of is frustrating.  

that and the last part about eye-hand coordination does not make sense when complaining about times.  

to alleviate the problem a bit I suggest that you plan when you play warframe (say the same time each day).  if you are having problems with standing caps the max standing is 1000+MR*1000.  at MR 16 I can get 17000 standing a day.  but at MR 3 you can only get 4000 standing a day.  the daily reset happens between1700&1800 MST every day.  secondly I suggest before you start tackling the open worlds do the story and increase your MR to about 10 as that will make the open world content less of  a pointless grind.  the higher your MR the easier the grind in the plains and Valis will be.  also, the endgame content requires the use of some abilities that you get in a later story quest.  

to increase your MR I suggest Hellen on Saturn as a leveling ground.  if your problem is the MR tests there are guides and weapons that make them easier and they can be practiced in simari's room in any relay.  granted that timer I do understand is frustrating if you are on the MR 9 test banshee and a gun blade is the easiest way to solve the problem that or a glaive.   the only other option is practice 

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45 minutes ago, zoffmode said:

edit: oh, it's about bounties. yeah screw those cache missions. no one wants to search for random S#&$. can't even listen to music when searching for those

the cashes spawn at the perimeter of the circle but are often buggy I have had them not spawn, not count, not be accessible... and regularly I fail that one because I was not looking hard enough as they are often just out of sight.   using one of the scanners will help you locate them.  

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1 minute ago, cmacq said:

Lots of good suggestions - gonna have to bookmark this one. Thanks to all for reaffirming my feelings about this being a great community! I have so much to learn lol.

Yeah it's amazing, most of us are great and willing to help. Please don't let the rare loudmouths paint a false negative image for you!

 

Enjoy, and, have fun 🙂 😄

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35 minutes ago, cmacq said:

Thx for the replies guys. The OP comes from the back pain I've had over the past several days. Put my back out and I can barely walk. About all I can do is sit in my chair and play video games. Oh the delights of ageing. In any event I'll persevere although I am still not convinced there is any need for some of these timers anymore. I mean that bounty still would have taken me 10 minutes or so and given I can't get any more rep for the day, why would I bother? Just really wanted to have a look at POE given the new patch and all....

Let me take a crack at explaining some of the goals behind the timers as I reckon them. Mind, I'm not promising satisfying answers, just shedding light on the reasons they're designed the way they are and the goals they are attempting to achieve.

Plains/Vallis "Find the Caches": This is mostly a test of memorization and to lesser degree navigation, threat prioritization, and gear utilization. The caches always spawn in the same small number of locations within the objective zones, allowing players to learn and memorize routes through the possible spawn points while the timer provides a way to gauge one's efficiency and how much they've optimized their routes. The another role served by the timer, and a generally more important one, is to serve as both a mechanical push for teams* to work together to achieve the objective and continue advancing the bounty, as well as a guarantee that should the bounty fail at that stage, all of the previous rewards gained are saved and the mission is completed.

The timer, in a more behind the scenes role, serves to provide data on how fast players are able to find the caches and what methods they are using to do so, as well as providing another data point to measure on whether or not certain caches may be too well hidden or simply not spawning. Ex: If there is a spike of players constantly getting two-out-of-three containers and then going to time on the third, then DE has way of seeing why that is failing and some direction to move in to quickly fix the issue.

*The game, though incredibly friendly towards solo players for a free-to-play multiplayer online game, is still bent and focused towards co-op first, and the cache-hunting missions are generally far easier and quicker with a team of players than they are solo. Three caches and four players generally make quick work of these (in my experience, in as little as 10-30 seconds depending on how experienced and aggressively the group is pursuing the objective).

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They don't want your large chunk of money all at once.... then want small amounts of your money spread out over a few years. All together Warframe is significantly more expensive then a brand new console exclusive with all the DLC.

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3 hours ago, cmacq said:

What is with the damn timers on everything? Do you really just want kids to play your game? I am a senior and don't have the hand/eye I had years ago. You have tons of content here. Get rid of the timers. I am almost ready to move on because of this "feature" alone. It should also be pointed out that as a senior I have more disposable income to spend on games. Seems like you don't want my money.....

No, they want kids to use their mom's/dad's credit card to buy platinum to skip the grind and the timers.

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2 minutes ago, BombtailsTheFox said:

too bad that the game is for 18 years players...

Also, would it be possible to skip the mastery rank requirements with platinum?

Are you that naive? underage kids play M-Rated and higher games all the time, you think the "kid uses mom's credit card" meme is just an amalgamation or misinterpretation? that's as silly as thinking "are you 18 or above" in porn sites can stop kids from taking a look.

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3 hours ago, cmacq said:

What is with the damn timers on everything? Do you really just want kids to play your game? I am a senior and don't have the hand/eye I had years ago. You have tons of content here. Get rid of the timers. I am almost ready to move on because of this "feature" alone. It should also be pointed out that as a senior I have more disposable income to spend on games. Seems like you don't want my money.....

You're not wrong. Just use the time gates to live your life away from the computer. I mean, DE is clearly telling you to do something else in the game or go outside when you need to wait to progress.

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19 minutes ago, BombtailsTheFox said:

too bad that the game is for 18 years players...

Also, would it be possible to skip the mastery rank requirements with platinum?

Age restriction actually differs from country to country, and plenty of people let their kids play the game when they're below the recommended age. 

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