LordPantaloonsthe3rd Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Tard tokens are picked up by vacuum? #*!%ing really DE? #*!%ing really? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tovon Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 How about the thing with them staying on you, with the absurd debuff, even when the one who died leaves. Permanent debuff for something that was not your fault. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ligonare Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Feel like this is a ploy to FORCE us to revive players if we wish to get rid of debuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhydra Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) On the other hand, if they were an optional pickup, most pugs would probably just ignore them all together. Render the whole thing pointless unless you play with friends/clanmates. They should have really implemented something else for revive instead though, like say resurrection sickness (You can be revived, but receives a debuff) Edited April 25, 2019 by Warhydra 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schilds Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 It's great. Arbis were too easy. Now we have properly scaling enemies, and when someone dies you're not just down one player, the team gets debuffed, so overall double the penalty for a death. It's even more exciting in an excavation arbi where you now have to try defend 2 or 3 excavators around the map AND try to coordinate the revival. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, schilds said: It's great. Arbis were too easy. Now we have properly scaling enemies, and when someone dies you're not just down one player, the team gets debuffed, so overall double the penalty for a death. It's even more exciting in an excavation arbi where you now have to try defend 2 or 3 excavators around the map AND try to coordinate the revival. Well, Excavations were the fastest way before, so... that evens out no? That said, I've only played one so far. The other guy killed himself with a Larkspur by accident. The new mechanic was useful in that case at least, but I don't want to settle on an opinion about whether the new version is better than the old one, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schilds Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) That wasn't a complaint. I find excavation arbis the most fun/interesting because they're accessible while still engaging at a different levels of player skill, and they offer choices to trade off between multiple objectives. Edited April 25, 2019 by schilds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kontrollo Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 16 minutes ago, schilds said: That wasn't a complaint. I find excavation arbis the most fun/interesting because they're accessible while still engaging at a different levels of player skill, and they offer choices to trade off between multiple objectives. Ah, alright. I also definitely like Excavations better than, say, Defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriaSTG Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, schilds said: It's great. Arbis were too easy. Now we have properly scaling enemies, and when someone dies you're not just down one player, the team gets debuffed, so overall double the penalty for a death. It's even more exciting in an excavation arbi where you now have to try defend 2 or 3 excavators around the map AND try to coordinate the revival. Now this, i like. The positivity that Arbis needed, dont you love it? the adrenaline of keeping oneself alive while getting overwhelmed by enemies, while your "friends" watch you struggling to stay alive while burdened by your teamates debuff when u dont mean to pick up the debuff itself bloods pumping, hands shaking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Predator Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I'm not going to touch the subject of "difficulty" of arbitrations and leave "elite" players to their devices. What I'm going to say about those tokens is... they are pointless. Like really pointless. Ok, reviving is good since we have that real weird one-shot bug that can kill you in an empty room in the middle of nowhere without any enemies present in about 2k meters radius while being under -90% damage buff (I even managed to die under Harrow's covenant immortal phase once). I'm affected by this way too often to be even considering going more than one rotation cycle, cause this is infuriating to say the least. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuut there goes the kicker. Those things drop from arb drones and those just... stop spawn after a very very very short period of time. 20-30 mins in surv? Barely see one till 50 min mark. 20 def waves? I think they stopped spawning at wave 14 anyways. Excavation? Good luck seeing one after about 8-10 excavators. In other words they stop appearing exactly when you may be needing those. Sooooooooooooo what's the point? I would very much prefer DE to removing this revive thing but fixing insta-kill bugs instead. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Shodian Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 hours ago, ligonare said: Feel like this is a ploy to FORCE us to revive players if we wish to get rid of debuffs. Well considering this is a co-op shooter we should really be trying to revive our team mates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--DSP--Jetstream Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 6 hours ago, LordPantaloonsthe3rd said: Tard tokens are picked up by vacuum? #*!%ing really DE? #*!%ing really? Its like "lets punish other players because this one died", this mechanic is kinda ok in premades but in public this just promote griefing and toxicity. Instead of fixing host migration in the first place that cause most issue in the game they went for the easy route as usual. Hope they change this on iteration 2 if that ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)GameNerd300 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Soooo I should keep away from arbis when they hit console? I already have too many encounters where players will be a $&*^ and not revive me after I've basically been the team medic, or players just leaving when they go down in an arbi triggering host migration and me being dead or close to it when the game puts me back in. This isn't going to enforce teamwork in public missions. Especially when players still leave when they go down even though they could be revived now. I think I'm just going to stay away until they iron out all the kinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_Grenabe Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 10 hours ago, ligonare said: Feel like this is a ploy to FORCE us to revive players if we wish to get rid of debuffs. Oh, undoubtedly - it's a way to strongarm people into using the revive system. "BE KIND, REVIVE - BECAUSE WE'LL FORCE YOU TO." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevoisvevo Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 i am the type who never revives anyone nor do i expect to get revived in return. i won't put my frame on the line for someone who downed themselves sorry. though can anyone confirm vacuum sucks in the revive points or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Tucker D Dawg Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Forcing debuffs on me because some clod got killed (when that was the unique gimmick of arbitrations to begin with) just serves to re-enforce that playing solo is the right way to play WF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcira Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) One might think it was not properly thought through. Btw who thought the problem of arbitration is the lack of revives? Wasn´t that supposed the point of this game mode? Anyway I think those tokens should be pickups like ayatan stars in order to prevent you from picking them up by accident. Edited April 26, 2019 by Arcira 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fr4gb4ll Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 16 hours ago, schilds said: It's great. Arbis were too easy. Now we have properly scaling enemies, and when someone dies you're not just down one player, the team gets debuffed, so overall double the penalty for a death. It's even more exciting in an excavation arbi where you now have to try defend 2 or 3 excavators around the map AND try to coordinate the revival. it's great - now we can't even get rid players anymore without suffer for it... at least they should have made a high MR-barrier to prevent all those players that can't survive until the first rotation from joining the mission. true, it can be nice if you run with a team of friend/clan mates and some mishap happens to one of yours, but in the 'usual' pug, it's a mighty pain in the arѕe now (unless you're playing certain frames...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SECURATYYY Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 19 hours ago, Warhydra said: On the other hand, if they were an optional pickup, most pugs would probably just ignore them all together. Render the whole thing pointless unless you play with friends/clanmates. They should have really implemented something else for revive instead though, like say resurrection sickness (You can be revived, but receives a debuff) I like this. Enemy cripples you, and you have a disadvantage for the rest of the match. Maybe something like slower movement speed? That way your teammates would need to help protect you or escort you to extraction. 18 hours ago, schilds said: It's great. Arbis were too easy. Now we have properly scaling enemies, and when someone dies you're not just down one player, the team gets debuffed, so overall double the penalty for a death. It's even more exciting in an excavation arbi where you now have to try defend 2 or 3 excavators around the map AND try to coordinate the revival. ^this Make us press X. I haven't tested whether or not you can get more than 5 of them at a time. Also if I get 5 then revived, and my other teammate picks up one by accident, is my teammate able to get rid of it at all? 7 hours ago, kevoisvevo said: i am the type who never revives anyone nor do i expect to get revived in return. i won't put my frame on the line for someone who downed themselves sorry. though can anyone confirm vacuum sucks in the revive points or not? Vacuum/Fetch will suck them up. 😕 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevoisvevo Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, SECURATYYY said: I like this. Enemy cripples you, and you have a disadvantage for the rest of the match. Maybe something like slower movement speed? That way your teammates would need to help protect you or escort you to extraction. ^this Make us press X. I haven't tested whether or not you can get more than 5 of them at a time. Also if I get 5 then revived, and my other teammate picks up one by accident, is my teammate able to get rid of it at all? Vacuum/Fetch will suck them up. 😕 oof 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)deathwolfclaw666 Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 It sounds like one of those things I should farm as much as I can now before I get the update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth_Predator Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 9 часов назад, SECURATYYY сказал: Make us press X. I haven't tested whether or not you can get more than 5 of them at a time. Also if I get 5 then revived, and my other teammate picks up one by accident, is my teammate able to get rid of it at all? As far as I can tell if there is no one to revive at the moment, debuffs (and points ofc) are removed from everyone who didn't use theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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