Lazarow Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) In the new assassination the sentient bird we fight do we do it for alad, cause I feel uncomfortable doing it for him he is an ass. And if its for him why do we even care about his problems he can take care of it himself Also does Natah supply alad for the disruption rewards. ordis mentions that alad cant have gotten this supply on his own Is alad working with natah and Natah is supplying alad with sentient part for the amalgams? Who are we even fighting for now? natah seems to not come back as lotus as all new missions lines are ordis or someone else and we tenno are still working for the lotus or are we on our own, the line "For the lotus" for operator in missions is still there and its confusing but they also say "For the tenno". EDIT: So from what I got from the replies: alad is brainwashed by sentients and he is making amalgams for natah, killing the bird-sentient is so alad can get more sentient parts for amalgams and making them evolve. Ballas tried to use natah's mimic abilities to get a margulis copy so he connected her to that pod from apostasy prologue and he disconnected her thinking the brainwashing worked, then natah realises that she is not margulis and the margulis stuff wears off and she is mostly natah or she is somehow conntacted by sentients and is reverted to natah and turn against the tenno continuing her mission to destroy them Edit: I dont know anymore lol its all theories we need more info for sure from new war Edited May 24, 2019 by AwkwardLazarow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SordidDreams Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 It's almost as if nobody bothered to figure out the story in advance and it's being made up as it goes along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firetempest Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 We fight everything tell the answers fall in our lap. We have been groomed to keep ballance. Alads hybrid army using tech from a species we know they cant ultimately control is a very bad swing of power. So, we shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DimosZargarda Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Wonder why the new vabdals have the lotus logo on them, im sure shel come back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridian Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Its a mirror match, but we are player 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbriellan Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 il y a 3 minutes, AwkwardLazarow a dit : Is alad working with natah and Natah is supplying alad with sentient part for the amalgams? Yes - Salad tell us that he's working with more powerful forces than us & Natah says that she wan't the sentients to evolve in a sort of hybrid to avoid the weakness of both worlds. As Darth Vader would say : Révélation il y a 8 minutes, AwkwardLazarow a dit : Who are we even fighting for now? For our people & allies - the "Lotus" is still the symbol of our faction. If you do a comparison: For the Tenno = For the Republic (clone war); For the Empire (stormtrooper) For the Lotus = For the Emperor (WH40K Imperium) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AltheusV Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 When we had alerts I used to say "We fight for hats", now I say "We fight for cash!" We're resource grubbing mercenaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaero Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 We do it for Wiassp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entharias Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) All i know is, if i get the chance, i'm killing the Lotus, she's been fishy way before leaving us. To start off, why would she look like Marghulis? If not to psychologically manipulate us? Back in the old war, we already saw so many horrors, we partecipated in them, so there's no reason for her to hide her true identity. Plus, the whole Tenno mission, balancing the universe, why? Why does it matter? To me it sounds more like ''weaken the competition''. Edited May 24, 2019 by Nakrast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cubewano Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 We'll find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbriellan Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 il y a 2 minutes, Nakrast a dit : To start off, why would she look like Marghulis? If not to psychologically manipulate us? One name: Ballas - he's the one coming with that plan; he's the one who wished for a simulacra of his dead-love. Using us was his objective to kill the Orokin. il y a 3 minutes, Nakrast a dit : Back in the old war, we already saw so many horrors, we partecipated in them, so there's no reason for her to hide her true identity. You came back from a genocidal war; kill your leaders to put an end of their tyranny and right after that you would like to hear that your "mom" was one of the machine you kill by thousand (the original being dead all along) & that you were tricked ? At least you could recognized her attempt for self-survival ! Plus in the quest "Natah" she's explaining that "it's the Past, I'm different now" ; but today, with a bit of "grand Mother" brainwashing she herself think that she was acting only due to a reprograming done by Ballas on Lua (sadly for us, we don't have any proof to say the opposite except the weird "you can't program love"). il y a 8 minutes, Nakrast a dit : Plus, the whole Tenno mission, balancing the universe, why? Why does it matter? To me it sounds more like ''weaked the competition''. And Ballas think the same; which strenghen the feeling of a Grand-Mother brainwashing. But if we try to think reasonably : "bringing balance would avoid one faction to take advantage, to give the ability for negociation & maybe leading to peace & prosperity without the need to wipe out completely one side". Even here, Natah is talking about the survival of her kind, sayin' she has to create the hybrid to protect the Sentients against the Void and the dangers buried inside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solarsyphon Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) In disruption we're on neither of their sides were just being bribed. For the Ropalolyst I'm less sure. I think we were just tracking lotus and got tricked into it. Edit: I think the amalgams are made of Ropalolyst and we were tricked into scrapping it for Alad, the set up to kill it is a little too convenient. Edited May 24, 2019 by Solarsyphon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_The_F00l Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Find out next year! With the release of "consistency epilogue" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlada91 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 We are ninja terrorists and we are here to kill entire galaxy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AiLuoLi- Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Obviously siding with the one who gives out most loot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanFanel1980mx Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 49 minutes ago, Nakrast said: All i know is, if i get the chance, i'm killing the Lotus, she's been fishy way before leaving us. To start off, why would she look like Marghulis? If not to psychologically manipulate us? Back in the old war, we already saw so many horrors, we partecipated in them, so there's no reason for her to hide her true identity. Plus, the whole Tenno mission, balancing the universe, why? Why does it matter? To me it sounds more like ''weaken the competition''. The balancing thing is more of a gameplay excuse as to not be able to embark on eradicating all three other factions, weakening the competition is something even Ballas thinks made no sense, the sentients would still come back and do what the game doesn't allow us to do and maybe even exterminate the Ostron and the other neutral factions, of course they would also exterminate the Tenno because they are the only thing that can stop them, not to mention the void, if Natah wants to eliminate the weakness maybe this would mean the amalgams would become "neutral" to the void, maybe not strong against it but at least able to fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NocheLuz Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 For me, it seem like Natah got brainwash by the Sentient. When she first appear (as Natah), she didn't really do anything to us. Also, Alad V personality in Disruption seem to tell us that he too, had been brainwash. I may not read all the lore yet but I somehow notice that normal Alad V will not use the word 'CT' but 'Control Tower' and never talk to it. But Sentient Alad V will use CT as if it's a person. My theory is that Alad V may not aware of who/what this 'CT' is. Maybe it's a tower like 'Unum's Tower'. But why would Orokin Technology helping Sentient... IDK. For now, if what Natah told us it true. It's mean amoung the Orokin there are a person that would do anything to kill all the Orokin even if they had to use the power of the Sentient (well, we all know it's Ballas...). The thing is that Hunhow send Natah to be a spy after Ballas had made contect about the Tenno and secret of Lua. I don't really know if it's Ballas suggestion or Hunhow decision to send Natah. But I would say Ballas since it's seem like he had prepare everything for her. If it's Ballas's Plan to remake Natah into Margulis (by manipulating her mind over a thousand years to think and act like Margulis). It would make sense that one day he would reap what he had sow (that he would come back to Lotus). I think this is when things gone wrong. It's either the Ballas's brainwash didn't hold up as he expected. Or the Sentient sense Natah presence and try to get her back by brainwashing her again (by 'grandmother' it would seem...). PS. As I use 'brainwash' because it seem like the story didn't go straight. Each faction have their goal but Natah/Lotus didn't seem like she has a goal at all. Even if she did reverse back to Natah, she didn't come and kill us directly (Hunhow did come to kill us directly... even if it's end in failure). That is what I seen as 'Hesitation' (like Stalker), either the (Ballas's) brainwash did hold up or the (Sentients') brainwash not finish yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoop3 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 There are new lore fragments hidden in the tileset. The sentients basically popped into Jupiter and you can see their ship in the skybox. Alad is being forced to create amalgams of his disciples at the commands of the lotus and the ropalolyst exists as an enforcer if he decides to try anything. In the boss fight I imagine you are only there to kill the thing and Alad is just in the background cheering you on as he’s in no position to revolt on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babak_the_gaurdian Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 2 hours ago, AwkwardLazarow said: In the new assassination the sentient bird we fight do we do it for alad, cause I feel uncomfortable doing it for him he is an ass. And if its for him why do we even care about his problems he can take care of it himself Also does Natah supply alad for the disruption rewards. ordis mentions that alad cant have gotten this supply on his own Is alad working with natah and Natah is supplying alad with sentient part for the amalgams? Who are we even fighting for now? natah seems to not come back as lotus as all new missions lines are ordis or someone else and we tenno are still working for the lotus or are we on our own, the line "For the lotus" for operator in missions is still there and its confusing but they also say "For the tenno". oh and also in the messages inbox, the mails are coming with lotus's name at the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoop3 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Babak_the_gaurdian said: oh and also in the messages inbox, the mails are coming with lotus's name at the end More than anything else that’s prob done to avoid spoilers for those who have not done the sacrifice yet. Can’t even fight the ropa or do Ganymede without having done the chimera prologue I believe. Edited May 24, 2019 by Spoop3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babak_the_gaurdian Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 40 minutes ago, Spoop3 said: More than anything else that’s prob done to avoid spoilers for those who have not done the sacrifice yet. Can’t even fight the ropa or do Ganymede without having done the chimera prologue I believe. well can't they at least change it for players who done it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead_Rabbits Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Why are we even fighting the ropalolyst in the first place? Natah wants us to kill it so she can analyze us and make the sentients stronger, doesn't seem like a good plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loza03 Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dead_Rabbits said: Why are we even fighting the ropalolyst in the first place? Natah wants us to kill it so she can analyze us and make the sentients stronger, doesn't seem like a good plan. Because it's also providing Alad with stuff to make the Sentients stronger. Albeit in a way that Alad dislikes. Rock and a hard place, am I right? As for my thoughts... I think Natah has been brainwashed by the other Sentients. I do still think her original betrayal was of her own accord - although Orokin reinforcing her betrayal isn't out of the question. Mostly thanks to the New War trailer, where we hear somebody preach to Natah about how 'they' seduced her. Which, to me, sounds very like what Natah has said here. Even if the trailer itself is non-canonical, we do know they provide hints towards the future. Remember the hospital noises in the Sacrifice trailer? It's possible that 'Mother' gaslighted the hell out of Natah and convinced her that the Orokin forced her to betray them. After all, Natah's speech doesn't add up with Ballas's during Chimera, where he declares that she never was loving to the Tenno. Natah accepts she was once, albeit due to manipulation (in her mind, at least.) So, uh... who's right? Unless neither of them are and both are being manipulated. Though this doesn't take into account the Man in the Wall, or the fact that Natah seems to be able to resist the void somehow, since she was on the moon - there's no longer doubt about that now. She confirms it, it's not just a part of Apostasy and Chimera being visions/dream sequences. Which means she was deep in the void, and somehow didn't die? Curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DenisJaguar Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Who's side i am now, the peoples of Cetus and Orb Vallis. Anyone against them is an enemy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lnfine Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 (edited) I don't think Alad is brainwashed. More like he made a deal that would get him some cool tech, and it just happens Lotus is a mimic and is good at impersonating clients that want his partnership for R&D. Now he has a ropalolyst death lazor to his right temple and potential corpus LOIC to his left temple (if they learn of who he partnered with), forced to develop Amalgams for SUDDENLY LOTUS. He does give us hints during the rope-a-loli fight after all. I believe he hopes that we get him rid of his partners-turned-sentient-overlords. The bird is the sentient enforcer and the conduits in disruption are teleporters that provide him with resources for his research. Edited May 24, 2019 by lnfine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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