Best shotgun to use?

[(XBOX)Aress]

I was wondering what the best dps shotgun is?? I was thinking the arca plasmor is the best shotgun. And what mods should I get as well for a really good shotty build?

[NinjaZeku]

14 minutes ago, (XB1)Aress said:

I was thinking the arca plasmor is the best shotgun.

It's certainly not a weak one, and it's great for hitting multiple enemies at once.

But there are Shotguns that can e.g. handle high Armor better,
a 100% Status pellet-based Shotgun modded for Corrosive can quickly remove Armor,
while Slash-heavy Status Shotties (or Crit-heavy ones with Hunter Munitions) can just circumvent it.

Also, Catchmoon Kitguns (woo Pax Arcanes) are kind of better than Arca Plasmor, right there.

So, there's no clear winner (nor should there be), maybe just try out everything and see what works best for you.

23 minutes ago, (XB1)Aress said:

what mods

You could check e.g. Warframe Builder and see which Mods keep popping up,
the Wiki in turn can tell you where to find each of those Mods.

[Maka.Bones]

Depends on what you're looking for, and who you're using it with. 

 

If you want a oneshot-onekill type, then the arcade plasmor or the tigris prime are the top dogs atm.

If you want a shotgun with good action, and rapid fire rate, strun wraith is really good.

The Corinth is also pretty good, as it has a lot of power with a reasonable fire rate. It's like in-between a strun and a tigris, but it needs a lot of fire rate mods and a rapid reload mod. It's also not forgiving if you don't aim well. 

[kmattrodriguez]

17 hours ago, NinjaZeku said:

It's certainly not a weak one, and it's great for hitting multiple enemies at once.

But there are Shotguns that can e.g. handle high Armor better,
a 100% Status pellet-based Shotgun modded for Corrosive can quickly remove Armor,
while Slash-heavy Status Shotties (or Crit-heavy ones with Hunter Munitions) can just circumvent it.

Also, Catchmoon Kitguns (woo Pax Arcanes) are kind of better than Arca Plasmor, right there.

So, there's no clear winner (nor should there be), maybe just try out everything and see what works best for you.

You could check e.g. Warframe Builder and see which Mods keep popping up,
the Wiki in turn can tell you where to find each of those Mods.

tbh if only they didnt nerf arca arca will still be the best and maybe will have some chance again catch moon

[Lutesque]

Thats easy... The best Shotgun is Obviously The Tigris Prime....

However you you encounter enemies that are immune to Status effects.... then The Best Shotgun is either the Corinth or Vaykor Hek. 

Arca Plasmor is a noob trap.... 

[taiiat]

12 hours ago, kmattrodriguez said:

tbh if only they didnt nerf arca arca will still be the best and maybe will have some chance again catch moon

eh, it still would have an extremely difficult time being able to make use of Crits, and without Crits it's not going to win in most Single Target Damage situations. but clearing groups of Enemies doesn't need a lot of Damage, since somewhere around 80-90% of the Enemies in the game have basically no EHP anyways. so pretty much anything would Kill them.

17 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

Arca Plasmor is a noob trap.... 

Tigris Prime generally is too, frankly. since the uptime it has is pretty deplorable, if you're not taking advantage of Punch-Through it's one of the least efficient Weapons you could possibly bring to a fight.

[DatDarkOne]

26 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

Thats easy... The best Shotgun is Obviously The Tigris Prime....

However you you encounter enemies that are immune to Status effects.... then The Best Shotgun is either the Corinth or Vaykor Hek. 

Arca Plasmor is a noob trap.... 

Hate to say it, but you are wrong on both of those.  Taiiat gave an excellent reason as to why.

8 minutes ago, taiiat said:

Tigris Prime generally is too, frankly. since the uptime it has is pretty deplorable, if you're not taking advantage of Punch-Through it's one of the least efficient Weapons you could possibly bring to a fight.

Agree so much with this.  

Of all the shotguns I've tries and used, I prefer the Boar Prime and Arca Plasmor.  With the second being my shotty of choice on the occasions that I use them.  I'm more a bow and sniper person and never really hid this.  🏹😎 

[Xzorn]

Technically Catchmoon produces the highest damage per shot. Including status like bleed added in at 90k damage per shot.

Tigris does about 50-60k Damage per shot at 100% Status depending if you go Viral + Rad or Corrosive + Blast. Built for front-end damage Trigirs will get about 100k but lacks the handling of Catchmoon and the AoE. Hek is around 50k per shot, Twin Rogga build front-end is about 72k.

"Best" Shotgun depends highly on what you're shooting at and Rivens can drastically improve shotgun performance more than typical weapons.

My preference in Shotguns stays pretty limited due to ammo economy. Good performers like Kohm, Boar Prime or Astilla run out of ammo far too quickly for my taste so I tend to stick with V.Hek, Tigris Prime, Catchmoon, Corinth alt-fire, Twin Rogga, Mara Detron and sometimes Strun Wrath. Most of which have Rivens.

Arca Plasmor was never the best Shotgun, even before they nerfed head-crits. Just a good fodder killer.

[Maka.Bones]

17 minutes ago, Xzorn said:

I tend to stick with V.Hek, Tigris Prime, Catchmoon, Corinth alt-fire, Twin Rogga, Mara Detron and sometimes Strun Wrath. Most of which have Rivens.

Got any good builds with these? Or a spare corinth riven? 😛

[taiiat]

4 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

Got any good builds with these? Or a spare corinth riven? 😛

if it has Crits, add Crit Mods.
add Elemental Damage, Base Damage, and Multi-Shot to all. Punch-Through is often a very good idea.

Blaze and/or Vicious Spread may or may not have room (if any, just one, never both) depending on whether it's Crits or what Utility Mods you might want, Et Cetera.
Vigilante Armaments is sometimes interesting, mostly for Tigris but there can be cases where you would want to use it on other Shotguns.
for either secondary Base Damage or Multi-Shot Mods, they're situational and only a net gain in Damage sometimes. keep that in mind.

[Maka.Bones]

2 minutes ago, taiiat said:

~~snip~~

This is my corinth build, so yeah I know the *basics*.... just asking for things less conventional which might not always be immediately thought of, but tend to be game changers  (like chilling reload, makes it a lot more enjoyable to use... though I'd definitely replace it with a Riven which also had reload speed)

[(NSW)Hatemachine]

I actually love the Phantasma, its essentially an Amprex shotgun for status effect instead of crit, I couple that Nidus larva to just hose down everything with Radiation, magnetic & Gas, then follow up with A condition overload Lesion, that & the phantasmas secondary mode makes for great mortar support on larger maps since the Orbs dont have a minimum range, they fly until they hit something, so you can arc that across half an open map from the right height & the blast can knockdown enemies, so VERY utilitarian, but also prone to blowing myself into the next solar system if I screw up a full charge & let loose when a fellow player or a flying body suddenly enters my field of fire.

Otherwise, Arca is pretty damn good, love it on Hildryn & Harrow, for harrow it means a 100% dead enemy every shot which is 100% guaranteed energy return with thurible up & a wide AoE to get that energy up faster.

I REALLY wanna try a boar prime though, that thing just looks like fun, like the jackhammer shotty from the fallout series.

[Xzorn]

54 minutes ago, Maka.Bones said:

Got any good builds with these? Or a spare corinth riven? 😛

 

The ones with Rivens I need to make updated pics for though it's all fairly standard when it comes to shotguns.

Punch-Through is a must IMO. Least outside 2 builds One for Corinth and one for V. Hek which are based on head-shots and kinda niche. Instead of Punch-Through they both use Arcane Avenger and Laser-Sight with Hunter's Munitions to push both to 100% Crit for that x4 head-crit bonus.

Spoiler

Top = 100% Status Corrosive + Blast, Middle = Viral + Rad, Bottom = Front-End Viral.... err actually that's wrong. Should be 90%x2 Viral + Sweeping.or Blaze

Top = Primary-Fire Bleed, Middle Alt-Fire, Bottom Primary-fire Front-end

Head-Shot Hek, No Vicious spread to keep tight pellets. I've since swapped in a Riven and use Hunters in place of Blaze.

More Standard Body-shot Hek, Also works pretty well with Hunters.

My Mara Detron and Rogga builds won't work without a Riven. They're both +%Multishot +%Status to get them to 100% status w/o 2 combo elements.

Catchmoon is a pretty standard full damage Crit build since the weapon makes poor use of status.

If it's a 100% status shotgun. You'll want to avoid using Blaze, Vicious Spread plays well with Punch-Through.

[___Operator___]

Not any mention of kohm or boar prime? smh

[SgtHotPepper]

Arca Plasmor and Tigris prime are very good... in very specific tasks.

Tigris is far from optimal in normal missions (the reload is awful, punch trough mandatory and very few enemies need that power) and arca plasmor limited by his "only elemental damage".

 

Less powerful shotguns perform better in classic missions.

Im very curious to build up a good Astilla soon.

 

Exergis is also one good alternative to Arca plasmor and his DPS (refering to the OP question) is nice.

[Autongnosis]

Pyrana Prime is an excellent shotgun if you can solve its issues with armour (it doesn't like it very much). If you do tho... Oh boi. I was bursting down lv 450s faster than they could shoot me. 

 

In general as with every gun it's gonna be a situational answer. Depending on what you want to do, what frame you are using, what you are fighting and at what level the answer will change. Rivens further skew the comparison. 

The builds also change. For example you can use a corrosive blast Tigris Prime on everything, but for example if you run Rhino you want viral+radiation and sweeping serration to maximise bleed procs, and on some corpus maps gas+magnetic can be of use. There's a lot of things going into "this is best" scenarios. 

 

IE if you fight fodder arca Plasmor and fulmin are hard to beat regardless of other factors, while hek and tigris prime will perform terribly. 

Boar Prime, tigris prime and kohm have excellent anti armour capabilities, but boar tends to fall off sooner vs unarmoured. They all get pushed another level with Harrow but out of the three tigris gets really really ludicrous, and incidentally it's also the best one to run with Harrow or Rhino (harrow makes it more comfortable and crit, rhino double dips into slash procs). 

Pyrana prime is a monster if you can strip armour off via other means, which makes it a killer sidearm for Oberon, Banshee, Ash and Saryn, not so much for other frames. It does scale well with buffs being that its unboosted DPS is 135k/270k (value depending on whether you have the ghost one uo or not). 

Sobek is unbeatable if you run Saryn because of some skill interactions i can explain to you privately. 

 

Might help if you explained your preferred frames, mission type and level range. That will help give actual answers related to your situation. 

Edited May 27, 2019 by Autongnosis

[Lutesque]

7 hours ago, taiiat said:

Tigris Prime generally is too, frankly. since the uptime it has is pretty deplorable, if you're not taking advantage of Punch-Through it's one of the least efficient Weapons you could possibly bring to a fight.

No it isn't... Punch Through is highly overrated.... but we already had this "Conversation" before... 

The only thing I would say is noob trappy about Tigris is if people try to use before they get all 4 of the Status Mods... which Is what happened to me when it was first Reccomended to me.

 

5 hours ago, Maka.Bones said:

This is my corinth build, so yeah I know the *basics*.... just asking for things less conventional which might not always be immediately thought of, but tend to be game changers  (like chilling reload, makes it a lot more enjoyable to use... though I'd definitely replace it with a Riven which also had reload speed)

Uhm.... you're running Status Effects on your Corinth ? 😞

you know you don't actually have to mod for its secondary Fire mode.... really the only thing it needs there is Multishot.... I have a Riven for my Corinth that brings its  total Multishot up to 298%.... Which means It shoots off 4 Grenades each with a 30% Chance to Proc a Status a effect.... its highly consistent. At the very least im always guaranteed to Proc Blast.

I modded my Corinth for its Default firing mode.... standard Viral + Hunter Munitions Crit build... the issue here is even though im firing almos 24 Pellets... Proccing anything other than Slash is going to take more than one shot sometimes.... the same build is alot more consistent with The Vaykor Hek due to its higher status Chance..... but... its got lower Crit chance so I don't proc Slash as offen.

4 hours ago, Monochromeatic said:

Not any mention of kohm or boar prime? smh

Kohm/Kohmak/Twin Kohmak either needs a Riven to make it work or Ammo Mutation to stop it from running out of Ammo....

As for Boar.... uhm....

Okay this is where I got lost... how do you mod for these Weapons that deal mostly Impact Damage ? LoL.... for the life of me I just can't make them work.

 

[(NSW)Hatemachine]

You dont mod for impact, Boar prime you go full status monster, use the 60/60s & get it up to 100% however you can, then let the status effect & damage be your workhorse on it, at least how Ive done it, thats what turned bo prime into a monster with crashing forest & condition overload.

That thing will shred armor, what I'd want is corrosive & heat, strip armor, then burn cloned flesh, also make it effective against infested & the impact rips up shields on corpus.

Would really want the boar prime on my harrow, up that fire rate & reload then just watch  everything crumble.

[taiiat]

7 hours ago, Maka.Bones said:

This is my corinth build, so yeah I know the *basics*.... just asking for things less conventional which might not always be immediately thought of, but tend to be game changers  (like chilling reload, makes it a lot more enjoyable to use... though I'd definitely replace it with a Riven which also had reload speed)

hm. well if you feel like Reload and Fire Rate are important to you, then sobeit. personally i don't find Fire Rate or Reload important to have, which leaves me with space for more wacky Mods.

for general purpose use, nah not really. Corinth is quite straight forward. there's quite a few Shotguns so if you want to talk about a particular one with me or anyone else, just bring it up.

i presume that you have Status Elementals in preparation for applying another Polarity or two in order to fit full Elementals to squeak out some extra Damage (since the Alt Fire is Elemental Base and has high Status Chance already, applying Blast is practically guaranteed especially towards a group, and applying your modded Elemental Types is a pretty decent chance on top of applying Blast). especially that sweet sweet Primed Charged Shell, eh?

2 hours ago, Lutesque said:

Punch Through is highly overrated

the issue here is even though im firing almos 24 Pellets... Proccing anything other than Slash is going to take more than one shot sometimes.... the same build is alot more consistent with The Vaykor Hek due to its higher status Chance

Okay this is where I got lost... how do you mod for these Weapons that deal mostly Impact Damage ? LoL.... for the life of me I just can't make them work.

whatever like 10-20% extra Damage per Shot you're using instead is also highly overrated. yes, sometimes you simply can't fit Punch-Through to make a Weapon do something in particular(like when Mods are cramped due to needing both Crits and and a lot of Status). but in most cases, you can.

well you could always Airburst the Enemies first, then apply Hunter memes. they'll even be knocked down so that they stay still for convenient Headshots.

unless a Weapons is both highly Slash Weighted (or is close enough that a Slash Mod can make it so) AND has high Status Chance - Base Damage composition is not all that important on a Weapon. 90%+ of your total Damage per Shot will come from Elemental Damage either way.
however, IPS weighting can come into play for hyper optimization vs specific Factions / Bosses. but for general use, usually Base Damage composition can be completely ignored and only the total seen as meaningful.

Edited May 27, 2019 by taiiat