I Meant To Write About Death, Only Life Came Breaking In As Usual.

[WeissKreuz]

I did that, personally, for 2 months straight. Every week, I accumulated a report sorted by age and source, linked the threads and wrote abstracts, added my own piece of mind for faster processing. That has been tried.

Thank you.

[Humongous_Koi]

It's funny that you guys care about the game so much that you have to complain about the whole ball of content being pushed out to keep the game interesting, and make it suit your needs

[Palegale]

 I don't know why people are so dense as in its just a few changes DE made so what? get over it.

[theGreatZamboni]

I did that, personally, for 2 months straight. Every week, I accumulated a report sorted by age and source, linked the threads and wrote abstracts, added my own piece of mind for faster processing. That has been tried.

 

Oh cmon Steve, he did it for you. This idea of a weekly "topic" is a great idea. It will only generate good will and you need all the good will you can get. Ced did this with his free time for you and you ignored it?

[theGreatZamboni]

 I don't know why people are so dense as in its just a few changes DE made so what? get over it.

 

You are not helping. Seriously if you read what anyone here has said, you would change your opinion. Unless logic is something you avidly avoid.

[General_Krull]

Steve, if you only take one thing from this thread let it be this. A community moderator, an individual who has volunteered to help make this game better out of the kindness of his heart and love of the game is starting to despair.

 

This has gotten past the point of anger, or rage, or hate threads, or flaming. It has gotten to the point where your most dedicated players, the ones who have stuck by you through thick and thin, are sending out a cry for plea.

 

I mean, for god's sake, General_Krull's posts are becoming more concise and well thought out and more in tone with everyone else's feelings, despite him being known for running round screaming like a headless chicken in the past (Please don't take offense Krull, it's comments like yours that spark discussion and keep the forums alive).

None taken, it's true I exaggerate like hell and use hyperbole often. But I think I always had a reason.

[theGreatZamboni]

You think Warframe is a lost cause OP?!?!?!  Dude I am a founders in Mechwarrior Online, that game my friend is a lost cause.  MWO just had their out of Beta patch this past Tuesday, 9/17 and after I patched the game and started it up, NOTHING HAD CHANGED!!!!  No Community Warfare, no new game types, no new user interface, I cannot even reorganize my mechs in my mech bays even for pete sake and you are calling Warframe a lost cause?!?!?!  Dude get some perspective go check out some other games and see how much DE really tries and on the most part pleases their customers.  Thank you DE, you folks are the best.

 

Steve acknowledge that these kinds of posts are nice to hear, but do not help. It is the people who scream "first" and say "Great Update" that are bringing the game down. I'm sure he enjoys the game, but people with the mindset of "the game is fine, DE is infallible" are not helping. If you let the community know that these posts, while nice to hear, are not helping you if they do not contain context; it will net you better posts. Explain to the community saying something is good without the "why" is pointless.

Edited September 20, 2013 by theGreatZamboni

[[DE]Steve]

I'm going to screen capture this. Because there have been a lot of lies that come from DE and you especially during earlier Livestreams. I think what DE needs to do is stop releasing content for a month or two and just work on fixing all the broken crap you've already released.

 

You insist upon that this game has no grind and that you're trying to remove it yet every update there's just more of it.

 

InB4 the White Knights and blatant  "wood polishing" trying to defend DE's false promises and hopes. Let me guess, I should just bottle up my hate and anger and disgust with what DE has done so far?

"You insist upon that this game has no grind..." Isn't true at all. We fully acknowledge the grind - that was the impetus for the alert/loot table rework. It needs more work...

Fundamentally this is the balancing act of any game that is 'free to play'. Queue WARFARM jokes... Players with more money and less time subsidize those with less money and more time. For many games this 'playing to get something' is called 'grinding'. Too much (like we have in spots) and players give up and our community shrinks. Too little and no one bothers to support the game (or feels like stuff they bought isn't valuable enough) and we die as well. You know this already but the point I'm trying to make it we are stilling trying to balance this and we do it with a bit of caution.

Sorry if you've felt misled by something we said but implying we are a pack of liars is false. We may be bad at predicting the future, yes. Liars, no.

[Nerokerubina]

I'm sorry if you feel slighted.

As I said, we are constantly reading the feedback - including the negative - and internalizing it (aka pain very much reaching HQ). The community's ability to generate feedback vastly our strips our ability to act on it. It is ocean of feedback pouring into a thimble-sized vessel. But we won't give up, no matter how many people say we're doomed.

I do think we need to reexamine how we communicate our priorities and communication. Rebecca (and Meg) along with our Mods take a lot of #@!$ for our misdeeds.

 

At this point Steve the words you type and the things you say are null void to us; only your actions in the coming months will speak for you and if those actions aren't the truth you've repeatedly have said to us like a broken record then I'm done.

 

Instead of showing us new weapons, new Warframes, and new items, show us actual fixes and things you need to work on that have been broken for months now. Because all these new things you've released thus far makes this game look like a polished turd. Proof of this can be seen when you held back Armory 2.0 and other things that needed to be fixed and gave us yet another  broken update.

 

 

Admittedly when I first started this game it was fun and helped me escape some of the hardships my life has come to bear of fruition. My mother had heart failure last year and a triple heart bypass with one of the bypasses failing and having to have a stint put in and this year my father was diagnosed with Stage 4 Glioblastoma. I have a lot of S#&$ going on and this game helps dull the pain of it all and quite honestly got me out of my pit of depression with some of the people I've met in Warbros. But as it stands this game and the things you've said become more and more hollow.

 

The entirety of your company and how you act on the Livestream and the things you want to improve and the things you show us and the things you release are like that of a child who has ADHD. You come out with great ideas or say things you're going to do but only start half of it and go on to completely somethings else and try and cover up the broken and old things with duck tape. You people need to step back and focus on one thing and one thing only and; protip it's fixing the game.

 

P.S. The Design Council; the majority of them are adolescent 12 yo using their mothers credit cards. Sure listen to them but be cautious of what they say because so far all the things that have come outta the Design Council feel like they're for an edgy pre-teen whose listening to System of the Down and Linken Park.

 

[theGreatZamboni]

Using updates as band aids is not a good design philosophy.

 

It is also common sense.

[WeissKreuz]

You think Warframe is a lost cause OP?!?!?!  Dude I am a founders in Mechwarrior Online, that game my friend is a lost cause.  MWO just had their out of Beta patch this past Tuesday, 9/17 and after I patched the game and started it up, NOTHING HAD CHANGED!!!!  No Community Warfare, no new game types, no new user interface, I cannot even reorganize my mechs in my mech bays even for pete sake and you are calling Warframe a lost cause?!?!?!  Dude get some perspective go check out some other games and see how much DE really tries and on the most part pleases their customers.  Thank you DE, you folks are the best.

 

I was a MWO founder, had 2 GM accounts. I've been around the block too, kid.

[TunaMayo]

It's funny that you guys care about the game so much that you have to complain about the whole ball of content being pushed out to keep the game interesting, and make it suit your needs

 

Those of us who err on the side of a large amount of game time, or who might consider ourselves Warframe veterans, are who a large proportion of what this diminishing community consists of.

 

For weeks and months we have been saying that we don't want more content as we just burn through it. We want game changers, that's what eventually got the armour rework and element rework looked at. But a huge one is end game.

 

Lack of end game is what causes the burn-out sensation that I know many many warframe players have experienced and if not addressed, this simply will be the death of warframe. As DE simply cannot push out content at the rate we burn through it, their acknowledgement of this can be visibly seen in update 10 with artificial grind introduced (mutagens behind a grind wall, double forma costs, half T3 void credit rewards, increase in credit demand, increased mutagen mass requirements, Mag Prime being virtually inaccessible).

 

To put it simply we don't care for new content all that much, it is nice for a week and that is about it. It is the fundamental aspects of the game that need addressing and would be most appreciated. See to end game, see to diminishing rewards, see to the fact that staying longer in survival and defence missions starts to lead to less mods and materials being dropped (extremely counter intuitive), see to the fact that end of mission rewards in defence and survival missions do not get better with time, see to the fact that secondaries outclass primaries, see to the fact that melee weapons are not a viable form of dealing damage, see to the fact that warframes are imbalanced.

 

Before you put the icing on your cake you have to make sure the dough is cooked or the whole dessert is ruined.

[Boatsniper]

-snip-

If I may make a suggestion...

 

Mission depth please.

[WeissKreuz]

Those of us who err on the side of a large amount of game time, or who might consider ourselves Warframe veterans, are who a large proportion of what this diminishing community consists of.

 

For weeks and months we have been saying that we don't want more content as we just burn through it. We want game changers, that's what eventually got the armour rework and element rework looked at. But a huge one is end game.

 

Lack of end game is what causes the burn-out sensation that I know many many warframe players have experienced and if not addressed, this simply will be the death of warframe. As DE simply cannot push out content at the rate we burn through it, their acknowledgement of this can be visibly seen in update 10 with artificial grind introduced (mutagens behind a grind wall, double forma costs, half T3 void credit rewards, increase in credit demand, increased mutagen mass requirements, Mag Prime being virtually inaccessible).

 

To put it simply we don't care for new content all that much, it is nice for a week and that is about it. It is the fundamental aspects of the game that need addressing and would be most appreciated. See to end game, see to diminishing rewards, see to the fact that staying longer in survival and defence missions starts to lead to less mods and materials being dropped (extremely counter intuitive), see to the fact that end of mission rewards in defence and survival missions do not get better with time, see to the fact that secondaries outclass primaries, see to the fact that melee weapons are not a viable form of dealing damage, see to the fact that warframes are imbalanced.

 

Before you put the icing on your cake you have to make sure the dough is cooked or the whole dessert is ruined.

 

Well articulated. Thank you.

[Humongous_Koi]

Those of us who err on the side of a large amount of game time, or who might consider ourselves Warframe veterans, are who a large proportion of what this diminishing community consists of.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/07/15/ninja-bots-are-big-warframe-is-surprisingly-huge/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rockpapershotgun%2Fsteam+%28Rock%2C+Paper%2C+Shotgun%3A+Steam+RSS%29'>Diminishing you say?

[Mak_Gohae]

Yeah, they were working on building the tower instead of working on the foundation and now it's starting to tip over. New content is fine and dandy but they should prioritize bug fixing and making game play smooth and interesting rather than superficial stuff like new tile sets and new weapons and what have you.

 

So the graphics guys should just hang out at DE headquarters while the bug fix guys can get their stuff done?

The sound guys should doing be playing Guitar Hero instead of doing their sound stuff?

How do you folks still not understand that there are different departments doing different things?

Come on, man.

[theGreatZamboni]

Yeah, they were working on building the tower instead of working on the foundation and now it's starting to tip over. New content is fine and dandy but they should prioritize bug fixing and making game play smooth and interesting rather than superficial stuff like new tile sets and new weapons and what have you.

 

The tilesets don't even make a difference in how the game plays. It is the very definition of superficial. You are releasing a game in less than two months and the core gameplay isn't even down. It isn't fun after 50 hours let alone 400. The Dojos should not have been added to the game in the state they are in. A lot of things have been added to the game that are just half-done or useless. Why would you have a sentinel with the power to aggro when you have effectively removed player-roles through nerfs and poor design choices? I could make a book series on the mistakes made so far, but that doesn't mean I don't like the idea of the game, it doesn't mean you can't salvage this. This feedback is harsh and true, but you never confirm nor deny what we have to say in its validity. You just go "noted" and move on. I got you to answer a question about separating DOF/Motion Blur in two different livestreams. Where is the update on that? Do you see the issue? You do not keep us in the loop.

Edited September 19, 2013 by theGreatZamboni

[Ced23Ric]

Oh cmon Steve, he did it for you. This idea of a weekly "topic" is a great idea. It will only generate good will and you need all the good will you can get. Ced did this with his free time for you and you ignored it?

 

I need to be fair and correct this a tad. My reports were posted in an internal forum of the Community Moderators and left at the hand of DE to deal with. Through the processes that be, these threads have been further scanned and may or may not have reached Steve's desk intact or in parts. Nevertheless, the approach of providing a skim of the forums with the most pressing issues as topics has been done, to extensive effort, and after handing it in, was in DE's general ballpark, not just Steve's personally.

[[DE]Steve]

Steve acknowledge that these kinds of posts are nice to hear, but do not help. It is the people who scream "first" and say "Great Update" that are bringing the game down. I'm sure he enjoys the game, but people with the mindset of "the game is fine, DE is infallible" are not helping. If you let the community know that these posts, while nice to hear, are not helping you if they do not contain context.

Positive people is bring the game down? ERrr... ok. That implies we are emotionless robots and only enjoy consuming frustrated rants! But seriously - if you've ever watched a live-stream, and the questions Rebecca asks you know that we spend a great deal of time processing negative feedback and zero time reading testimonials and congratulating ourselves.

[Xriborg]

I think a lot of people want to see core gameplay being polished and updated. New shiny objects and guns are nice and all, but those are just parts of the game. They also bring with them their own issues that need addressing. The more content you add, the thinner you spread yourself out for bug squashing.

 

I also understand that DE is pressured to bring out new content to keep numbers from dropping off. You need something to bring in revenue and you need to keep it going. Forma and potatoes help, but it's not enough. You have to keep pumping content to keep interest.

 

Perhaps alternating new content patches and bugfix patches will help both. That way, you don't have them butting heads and causing trouble for one another.

 

 

 

Either or, I hope armor 2.0 will be the foundation on which a refreshed and polished core gameplay can be built upon. It literally affects everything, so once that's fine tuned I hope to see other core aspects of the game getting retooled.

[TunaMayo]

Diminishing you say?

 

Please, tell me more about how an e-journal post from 2 months ago accurately depicts a growth in this games population at present. 

 

Please direct me to the point where sentence where the journalist describes the feeling of watching a clan he has been part of rapidly decline in size because people have no compulsion to play anymore.

 

Everyone in a clan knows the above feeling because it is a growing trend. I find myself spending more and more time on the forums and less in game in vain hope that I will see an announcement or update that changes things.

 

No journalist who has barely played a game that I have played religiously for months is going to convince me otherwise.

 

I'd like to see an update on this article.

[-HAKUNA-YOUR-TATAS-]

Diminishing you say?

Dude that article is from July.

Also, if my clan is any example (we're originally pretty much all solid players and fairly commited) we went from over 300 active players to 112. That all just happened this month. There are reports of mega clans losing 1/2 of their players.

Millions of accounts. Well yeah it's a free game. Nothing to lose in setting up an account. But how many of those are actually playing? Even casually?

A more accurate measure would be the amount of hours played in this game divided by the userbase.

[WeissKreuz]

Diminishing you say?

 

 

Why would you post a critique as evidence of the current situation... that's commenting on U7?

[DJSmash]

 I don't know why people are so dense as in its just a few changes DE made so what? get over it.

 

If you took the time to read all the 8 pages of replies.

if you were from C.B.T period or have been actively participating in the forum for a long period of time..

Perhaps then you'd reconsider on what you just posted.

 

Some of the replies here weigh more than 100 posts or replies combined together elsewhere in the forum. These are issues faced by the community.

 

As of now, with DE steve replying..i hope this posting doesnt get sidetrack away.

[[DE]Steve]

Nerokerubina, on 19 Sept 2013 - 5:16 PM, said:

At this point Steve the words you type and the things you say are null void to us; only your actions in the coming months will speak for you and if those actions aren't the truth you've repeatedly have said to us like a broken record then I'm done.

Instead of showing us new weapons, new Warframes, and new items, show us actual fixes and things you need to work on that have been broken for months now. Because all these new things you've released thus far makes this game look like a polished turd. Proof of this can be seen when you held back Armory 2.0 and other things that needed to be fixed and gave us yet another broken update.

Admittedly when I first started this game it was fun and helped me escape some of the hardships my life has come to bear of fruition. My mother had heart failure last year and a triple heart bypass with one of the bypasses failing and having to have a stint put in and this year my father was diagnosed with Stage 4 Glioblastoma. I have a lot of shit going on and this game helps dull the pain of it all and quite honestly got me out of my pit of depression with some of the people I've met in Warbros. But as it stands this game and the things you've said become more and more hollow.

The entirety of your company and how you act on the Livestream and the things you want to improve and the things you show us and the things you release are like that of a child who has ADHD. You come out with great ideas or say things you're going to do but only start half of it and go on to completely somethings else and try and cover up the broken and old things with duck tape. You people need to step back and focus on one thing and one thing only and; protip it's fixing the game.

P.S. The Design Council; the majority of them are adolescent 12 yo using their mothers credit cards. Sure listen to them but be cautious of what they say because so far all the things that have come outta the Design Council feel like they're for an edgy pre-teen whose listening to System of the Down and Linken Park.

I'm sorry to hear about the health problems of your family, health is something a lot of us take for granted. I'm glad you can escape a bit with Warframe.

As far as the other comments, lots of personal insults, very little actionable items, sarcasm... I can't really respond to them in detail but I did think it was cool you made some friends while playing Warfame.