DE, we have a problem with Alad V's timeline and the fragments major problem.

[Kaotyke]

We dont have anything fixed about him.

The moment we get the Jupiter as a new player, we find the Amalgams already in production, but nothing on the Rapololyst. Which is FINE.

But if the player takes their time to find the fragments before the Second Dream, we see that his deal with the Sentient (Natah? Its not made clear at all) was already made and he new Reggy wasnt human anymore.

Then we have the whole issue with the Infestation. He has the infested scars during the transmitions in Jupiter indicating either: he is starting to get infested... or is cured. Again, not indication at all of what this is.

The timeline is too convoluted, non-linear and have players scratching their heads trying to find the begining and the end of this mess. We need some explanation the problems there!

People put togheter that:

• Reggy was human and he FOUND the technology and mixing humans and Sentient, the Amalgams were made.
• The Tenno smashed Zanuka and Alad went into hidding.
• Alad helps the Tenno in TSD because: messing with a completly active Sentient is far from different from messing with their corpses.
• Alad gets his ass saved from Stalker's tag alongs by the Tenno.
• Messes with the Infestation
• Gets Cured
• Goes back to Jupiter and is surprised Reggy is alive... but he actually wasnt, it was a mimic.
• After figuring it out, he tries to kill the Rapololyst... and it blows up on his face.
• The Tenno help him by killing the Rapololyst.

You notice a few things are underlined? Becuase those were never explained in-game. Players have to have knowledge of past events that are not in any way mentioned to put the pieces togheter. This is where you fail. You have to make players find sources outside of the game to understand why those things are connected and in what order.

The part that is blackned: aside from what I said above, it's ALSO a piece of knowledge a new player can get before TSD, making so Reggy was already a Sentient and Alad was a slave to a mimic before even Ballas "Natahfied" the Lotus which was WHEN the mimics became active.

DE... I have to ask you to set aside a time to make each Quest have connections to each other instead of the "grandioses pieces of lore". Because when you make the small things like transmitions, fragments and references... they feel completly disconnected and confusing.

On to the fragments:

I beg you to take your time to make something more accessible instead of "run around the place with the scanner on in hopes of MAYBE having one of those in your mission", those fragments should have OBSCURE pieces of lore, like explaining the huge Sentient bones in the background, a side activity that enriches what we have. Not something that would put the pieces togheter of what Alad is doing with the Rapololyst, they are supposed to complement what is already there, but instead, they explain what is going on.

 

[Lazarow]

Looking at the whole warframe lore it makes sense to be broken

[Loza03]

1 minute ago, AwkwardLazarow said:

Looking at the whole warframe lore it makes sense to be broken

More like fragmented.

It's there if, as OP points out, you're willing to look for it (there was a recent reddit thread dedicated to doing pretty much that for example), but doing so requires you:

1. Play through all the quests. This is the easy part.
2. Literally find all the expanded lore, most of which is extremely hidden, which is what OP's complaining about. Cephalon Fragments might be easy to come across but god knows Partnership, Glass Fish and OV data-thingys aren't. This is extremely annoying but not mechanically difficult... as long as you know they exist. Only the codex indicates that they do.
3. Look online, on non-official sites for lore that isn't even in the game anymore including the backstory behind major events and character motivations. Alad V's a big part, as well as Tyl Regor's - bear in mind that Tyl plays a major part in Natah, one of the 'main story' quests and we will have had no idea who he is up until that point.
4. Piece together a timeline of the events. The Jovian Concord is, according to that reddit thread, occurring at two different parts of the Warframe timeline.

And that's a shame, since it's pretty good. These characters are fun to be around once you know what the hell is going on, and it's interesting to speculate about future events based on them. But good god, is it a pain in the rear to get to that point.

[Urlan]

1 hour ago, Kaotyke said:

We dont have anything fixed about him.

The moment we get the Jupiter as a new player, we find the Amalgams already in production, but nothing on the Rapololyst. Which is FINE.

But if the player takes their time to find the fragments before the Second Dream, we see that his deal with the Sentient (Natah? Its not made clear at all) was already made and he new Reggy wasnt human anymore.

Then we have the whole issue with the Infestation. He has the infested scars during the transmitions in Jupiter indicating either: he is starting to get infested... or is cured. Again, not indication at all of what this is.

The timeline is too convoluted, non-linear and have players scratching their heads trying to find the begining and the end of this mess. We need some explanation the problems there!

People put togheter that:

• Reggy was human and he FOUND the technology and mixing humans and Sentient, the Amalgams were made.
• The Tenno smashed Zanuka and Alad went into hidding.
• Alad helps the Tenno in TSD because: messing with a completly active Sentient is far from different from messing with their corpses.
• Alad gets his ass saved from Stalker's tag alongs by the Tenno.
• Messes with the Infestation
• Gets Cured
• Goes back to Jupiter and is surprised Reggy is alive... but he actually wasnt, it was a mimic.
• After figuring it out, he tries to kill the Rapololyst... and it blows up on his face.
• The Tenno help him by killing the Rapololyst.

You notice a few things are underlined? Becuase those were never explained in-game. Players have to have knowledge of past events that are not in any way mentioned to put the pieces togheter. This is where you fail. You have to make players find sources outside of the game to understand why those things are connected and in what order.

The part that is blackned: aside from what I said above, it's ALSO a piece of knowledge a new player can get before TSD, making so Reggy was already a Sentient and Alad was a slave to a mimic before even Ballas "Natahfied" the Lotus which was WHEN the mimics became active.

DE... I have to ask you to set aside a time to make each Quest have connections to each other instead of the "grandioses pieces of lore". Because when you make the small things like transmitions, fragments and references... they feel completly disconnected and confusing.

On to the fragments:

I beg you to take your time to make something more accessible instead of "run around the place with the scanner on in hopes of MAYBE having one of those in your mission", those fragments should have OBSCURE pieces of lore, like explaining the huge Sentient bones in the background, a side activity that enriches what we have. Not something that would put the pieces togheter of what Alad is doing with the Rapololyst, they are supposed to complement what is already there, but instead, they explain what is going on.

 

The Reggy partnership stuff seems oddly placed considering, but essentially Alad V's story would start with Operation Slingshot and then go into his disastrous handling of Inter-Grineer Affairs with Arid Fear and Gravidus Dilemma. That leads to Alad V moving his operations to Jupiter and unleashing some Infested to obscure his main lab facility but in that regard we got help from Frohd Bek who had plans to make his son Darvo take Alad V's position in the board of Directors, thus starting the Hunt for Alad V and our beating up of Zanuka and Alad V's duo the first time. This made Alad V a person non-grata in the Corpus (though this was mostly moot since most thought he was dead) and Alad V's former Sergeant, Nef Anyo, tried to petition to take his old boss's place (eventually getting backing from Frohd Bek by the later time of Tubemen of Regor).

Alad V showed up again, mysteriously during Strange Shipments, now as Mutalist Alad V; having saved his life during our assassination attempt earlier by injecting himself with a Technocyte strain made from his studies of warframe based technocyte. He was now trying to move around specialized rediscoveries of his self named Mutalist strain infested into areas around the Sol/Origin System and we had to intercept them and slow him down, but the now increasingly erratic former Corpus Scientist and Director was showing signs of Infested thinking interrupting his normal insults and money grubbing and promised that we had done little but slow his gift to the system. That 'Gift' showed itself with the Mutalist Incursion Event and the connected Patient Zero; Mutalist Alad V was all out attacking the system dropping Corpus lab ships on vulnerable nodes across the system, colony drop style; releasing hordes of Mutalist and standard infested across the place, only to be beaten back by locals and heavy Tenno involvement, which allowed us to get Mutalist Alad V Navs and track him down to Corpus lab ships currently in orbit around Eris and disrupt his plans, and in doing so break his current experiment, a test to use his collar to directly control warframes, this case, a Mesa; as he used to do to his Frankenstein monster, Zanuka. This awarded us with the Mutalist Nav Key, needed to track Mutalist Alad V down to his retreat, a heavily infested Corpus derelict still in Eris orbit and defeat him, breaking some of his control - he was becoming an Infested Control organism similar to Lephantis, Phorid, or the laster Jordas Golem - and bring some element of Alad V's normal persona back to light which was clearly being lost during the Incursions.

Next time Alad V shows his face, would be during the Tubemen of Regor Event. Mutalist Alad V had realized just how messed up he was due to the defeat during the Mutalist Incursions, and no longer thought his condition a gift and wanted help stealing research from Tyl Regor's Tubeman Project found in secret Undersea Labs Tyl had setup around Uranus. Nef Anyo, recently having acquired more backing, and set himself up as a Prophet of Profit during the False Profit event, was wanting to sabotage his old boss and was offering battlepay just to have the Tenno try to destroy both the cure Mutalist Alad V sought, and the Tubemen project of Regor's netting him support from Frohd Bek and loans that he would later use to establish the Index on Neptune (a Corpus gambling based gladiator arena). Ultimately, more Tenno aided Mutalist Alad V, and the Lotus gave Alad V a copy of the large amount of research we had plundered, thus cementing Tyl Regor's hatred of us, while allowing Alad V to somehow cure himself, leaving only scars of his prior infestation.

This comes up during Natah and 2nd Dream, which has Tyl Regor mention the events of Tubemen of Regor, as both motivation for his hatred of us being on his planetary base, and Alad V, now cured; offering a deal of assistance for a future promised assistance if needed at a later date. This opens up the fact that Tyl Regor's Grineer have been digging up and freeing caverns and deep pockets that contain the large space ship sized body of Lotus' father, Hunhow, the leader of the Sentient vanguard into the Sol/Origin system. Alad V helps us here to find the Tomb leading to a part of Hunhow Lotus could interact with, but in doing so, Hunhow touches her mind and sends Stalker after the Reservoir. Alad V's assistance earns Hunhow's ire however, and he ends up tasking Shadow Stalker to take the rogue Scientist out after the quest's finale ends with Shadow Stalker and Hunhow depleted for a short while; leading to the events of Shadow Debt which had Alad V call in his assistance promise Lotus gave him for helping with 2nd Dream.

Now somehow, Alad V having been protected from the Acolytes of the Stalker, has moved back to his labs and Gas City of Jupiter, even though he was cast out of the Corpus for the events of the Hunt of Alad V and further considered heretical for his Mutalist Incursions, which he televised announcements to each major faction; so it is odd he was able to retake his old holdings at all! Still, it appears due to the Partnership lore, that it could be due to intervention of his new partner, Natah; through a fragment of her true self, the Ropalolyst with a Mimic (Natah's Shards) posing as an old acquaintance of Alad V's that tangled him in a Contract to study and remake his own based on that tech (which Alad V identified as Sentient tech upon study). He found his contact Regus, was actually a Sentient, and then assembled a large force to devastate the Sentients but found that his force was not sufficient and received an Ultimatum, produce Amalgams for Natah's agents, or the Gas City and Alad V would be reduced to Ashes.

[Femuru]

45 minutes ago, AwkwardLazarow said:

Looking at the whole warframe lore it makes sense to be broken

Yes and no so here is the thing some games story are yes supposed to be confusing and fragmented but no Warframe not do it right in a sense. Let's use something as fragmented as dark souls for example not saying it should be exactly like it but what can they learn. Dark souls does their story in a poetic style, set some immersion, and finishes the story. Warframe dint pull anyone at the start poetically, you don't feel a sense of mystery or romance but ONLY think what the hell am I and why am I even killing everything left and right. Granted every game you kill stuff but atleast they feel more of an impact fighting stuff either by combat or story. The game is more of straight forward confusion paradox maybe bcuz of how many gaps there are but rather than poetic cuz atleast in dark souls you find a consistent flow. 

Warframe immersion to the story doesn't really hook that much ppl. You see in dark souls characters feel like they matter they fight along side at times, you have conversations with them, show a sense of emotion, and die at many times (unlike alad who revived so many times it's now just annoying). You even meet them at different places from time to time, while someone like the lotus is with you the whole journey yet we WANT to kill her for the sake of getting it over with. There is no attachment to any character in Warframe yet in dark souls you can feel a sense of sorrow for even bosses that were kicking your butt several times once you learn of them. 

Warframe in its 6 years of development has yet to finish it's story, in fact it only gets more confusing. What exactly killed the orokin? Who is stalker? Who is the man in the wall? What do the sentiments even want? Are Warframes ppl? If so who are they individually?(cmon I'd even take a text story like how a moba do their character stories at this point) It's like they're trying to make a grand scheme of the story but I don't feel excited anymore I now just want to know the exact answer to get it out of the way. You can find more info on some stuff I guess by fragments but let's be honest it's a pain nor do they really give hard answers all the time. In dark souls you need to wander around sometimes to figure out what happen to some ppl but atleast we get an ending of what happens to someone mainly sad but satisfying and meaningful. 

Alas v is more of an eyesore for how many times he show up in different forms with no real meaning why. By personal opinion however I'd say they need to properly adjust most of the general story. They don't need to always make some fancy quest (which yes I u dressing takes alot of resources) to make a good story, they need to explain some of this stuff in a better form which worries me cuz DE almost never good at explaining stuff via gameplay. If you enjoy how it is now that's fine but I still think it's just either unfinished or weak writing in Warframes current state. 

[Gentleman_Bird]

The confusing part is that new players experience the second dream, after Alad V has been cured, well before ever encountering Mutalist Alad V

 

Also, who's Reggy?

[Urlan]

4 minutes ago, Gentleman_Bird said:

The confusing part is that new players experience the second dream, after Alad V has been cured, well before ever encountering Mutalist Alad V

 

Also, who's Reggy?

Yeah, that is part of the confusing part of the Mutalist stuff and the Specters of the Rail change-over, as Eris was a different path that could be hit earlier in the old system but in Specters  it tries to make the path be the narrative without changing locations and encounters to make Alad V work with Mutalist Alad V - aside from a weird possibility for the cure Alad V used being just some form of cloning I guess.

Regus is just a new character created for Jovian Accord that was an acquaintance of Alad V's before the fallout of Hunt for Alad V, per the new Partnership lore. He was never mentioned before them so he doesn't have narrative weight to us players, but essentially fits in the role of someone that Alad V remembered and knew that assists with getting him back in to his old base of power, and allows him some way to get back into the Corpus's good graces but also chains him into a deal that would get him declared a person non-gratis again, this time for the worse crime of helping Sentient, versus the old one of messing with bio-tech which the Corpus have a bad against, per the Black Seed tac alert.

[GrayArchon]

3 hours ago, Kaotyke said:

Reggy was human and he FOUND the technology and mixing humans and Sentient, the Amalgams were made.

It's likely that Regus never found Sentient technology, and the Regus that showed Alad V the Sentient tech was already a mimic. Alad remarks that he hasn't seen Regus in so long he thought he was dead, and also didn't think he was smart enough to have come by the Sentient tech. So this was probably a mimic. Given that, the Jovian Concord (the partnership) has to take place some time after the Apostasy Prologue.

3 hours ago, Kaotyke said:

• Messes with the Infestation
• Gets Cured

This happens in between the Hunt for Alad V and the Second Dream, given that TSD came out after Tubemen of Regor, and in TSD Alad has his post-Infestation facial scarring. DE uses the facial scarring to place different events in Alad V's narrative, even fixing the character model if the incorrect face is shown at some point (see the patchnotes for Update 25.0.2).

1 hour ago, Urlan said:

Alad V's former Sergeant, Nef Anyo

Sergeant Nef Anyo has been retconned to be The Sergeant when they started fleshing out Nef Anyo's character some more, and they are now separate characters (inasmuch as the Sergeant is a character). We don't know that Nef Anyo ever was a sergeant, and a military background doesn't really make sense with the character we know now. Additionally, Nef Anyo has never been associated directly with Alad V, so I'm not sure where you're getting this connection.

1 hour ago, Urlan said:

the Tubemen project of Regor's netting him support from Frohd Bek and loans that he would later use to establish the Index on Neptune

How did the Tubemen project help Nef Anyo get support from Frohd Bek? Frohd Bek is never mentioned in either Tubemen of Regor or the Index, and is not mentioned in conjunction with Nef Anyo until the Partnership fragments. In the Partnership fragments, Alad V says that Frohd Bek is currently supporting Nef Anyo, but also says that it's because of Fortuna and the Orb Vallis. Frohd Bek would likely not want to support Nef too much, because he wants to keep his position as Chairman of the Board.

[Urlan]

1 hour ago, GrayArchon said:

It's likely that Regus never found Sentient technology, and the Regus that showed Alad V the Sentient tech was already a mimic. Alad remarks that he hasn't seen Regus in so long he thought he was dead, and also didn't think he was smart enough to have come by the Sentient tech. So this was probably a mimic. Given that, the Jovian Concord (the partnership) has to take place some time after the Apostasy Prologue.

This happens in between the Hunt for Alad V and the Second Dream, given that TSD came out after Tubemen of Regor, and in TSD Alad has his post-Infestation facial scarring. DE uses the facial scarring to place different events in Alad V's narrative, even fixing the character model if the incorrect face is shown at some point (see the patchnotes for Update 25.0.2).

Sergeant Nef Anyo has been retconned to be The Sergeant when they started fleshing out Nef Anyo's character some more, and they are now separate characters (inasmuch as the Sergeant is a character). We don't know that Nef Anyo ever was a sergeant, and a military background doesn't really make sense with the character we know now. Additionally, Nef Anyo has never been associated directly with Alad V, so I'm not sure where you're getting this connection.

How did the Tubemen project help Nef Anyo get support from Frohd Bek? Frohd Bek is never mentioned in either Tubemen of Regor or the Index, and is not mentioned in conjunction with Nef Anyo until the Partnership fragments. In the Partnership fragments, Alad V says that Frohd Bek is currently supporting Nef Anyo, but also says that it's because of Fortuna and the Orb Vallis. Frohd Bek would likely not want to support Nef too much, because he wants to keep his position as Chairman of the Board.

You are incorrect in Nef (as the sergeant) never being connected to Alad V, as the Gravidus Dilemma presented Nef Sergeant as the one that found the Cryopods the conflict was about and that he had notified his boss and delivered them to Alad V instead of the Grineer who at the time controlled that territory. DE has never said that Nef was not previously the Sergeant, just that the current version is no longer him. Indeed, Nef refers to his working for Alad V prior in Tubemen of Regor. Further, Nef mentions that Frohd Bek gave him backing during the event as one of his quips, and further solidifies this during Glast Gambit where he mentions (jokingly) that if you clear out anymore of his credits, he might have to ask Frohd Bek for another loan, implied to be how he started the Index and came to power.

[Steel_Rook]

So... I tried reading through the timeline you guys are citing, and I gave up pretty quickly for one simple reason - none of that is in the #*!%ing game! I wasn't around for any of these events. My experience as a player was that I met Alad V as just another boss on Jupiter, then he cropped back up during the Second Dream sporting a scar I assumed was from me killing him, then he cropped back up as an Infested boss during the Patient Zero quest, so I assumed he'd been infested in the interum. Prior to the Jovian Concord, that's literally all I knew about him, and even that was just wrong because Patient Zero takes place before the Second Dream, narratively speaking. I have no idea how Jupiter Remasterd handles Alad V now. Does he show up with his scars on the monitors for people who haven't done Patient Zero or The Second Dream?

Warframe's story is a mess, because nobody seems to bother putting any of it in the actual game. It's worse than Overwatch, in this regard. I'm supposed to go read unofficial Wikis and plot synopses instead of experiencing the narrative as I play. As a result, yeah - the game's "story" is badly uncompelling, especially for a new player. You're thrown into a weird world, you don't know who or what you are, you don't know who or what you're killing or even why, the game keeps throwing gobbledygook nonsense terminology at you and the bulk of the actual lore is in some comic book or wiki article or otherwise off-site. This is really irresponsible storytelling and makes it VERY hard to care about the story.

[Urlan]

2 hours ago, Steel_Rook said:

So... I tried reading through the timeline you guys are citing, and I gave up pretty quickly for one simple reason - none of that is in the #*!%ing game! I wasn't around for any of these events. My experience as a player was that I met Alad V as just another boss on Jupiter, then he cropped back up during the Second Dream sporting a scar I assumed was from me killing him, then he cropped back up as an Infested boss during the Patient Zero quest, so I assumed he'd been infested in the interum. Prior to the Jovian Concord, that's literally all I knew about him, and even that was just wrong because Patient Zero takes place before the Second Dream, narratively speaking. I have no idea how Jupiter Remasterd handles Alad V now. Does he show up with his scars on the monitors for people who haven't done Patient Zero or The Second Dream?

Warframe's story is a mess, because nobody seems to bother putting any of it in the actual game. It's worse than Overwatch, in this regard. I'm supposed to go read unofficial Wikis and plot synopses instead of experiencing the narrative as I play. As a result, yeah - the game's "story" is badly uncompelling, especially for a new player. You're thrown into a weird world, you don't know who or what you are, you don't know who or what you're killing or even why, the game keeps throwing gobbledygook nonsense terminology at you and the bulk of the actual lore is in some comic book or wiki article or otherwise off-site. This is really irresponsible storytelling and makes it VERY hard to care about the story.

I can feel you there, I have at least one clanmate and friend who refuses to put any personal investment into Warframe's story until the greater bulk of its lore is at least available for reading from the Codex. Something akin to a "story so far" based on the story quests completed up to that point or such.

[Ham_Grenabe]

Like @Urlan's friend there, I can't put any investment into the lore because it's thoroughly disjointed. Alad V is probably the best example of it, though, being everywhere and nowhere at the same time, and existing in like 5 different temporal states. 

If this was a game about time travel, maybe I could grok some of it. As it stands...the idea of a "story" doesn't really work with a game like this. At least not anymore. 

[Kaotyke]

18 hours ago, GrayArchon said:

It's likely that Regus never found Sentient technology, and the Regus that showed Alad V the Sentient tech was already a mimic. Alad remarks that he hasn't seen Regus in so long he thought he was dead, and also didn't think he was smart enough to have come by the Sentient tech. So this was probably a mimic. Given that, the Jovian Concord (the partnership) has to take place some time after the Apostasy Prologue.

The PROBLEM with this is: you know this because you have been here for the whole story. When wirtting anything new, you have to take it from the perspective of someone going through it the first time.

Forget all you know, about the Apostasy, TSD, The Sacrifice, Natah, The Hunto for Alad V, Tubemen of Regor... See this from the perspective of someone just being thrown into the plotline:

You get in Jupiter and get introduced to the Gas City and the Amalgams. And if they find all fragments: they know Reggy is a Sentient. A disguised one. Who is forcing him to make Sentient Hybrids. And they CAN do the Disruption node, just not the Rapololyst Boss, which means they KNOW Alad is being coerced by something. And considering we can see the Rapololyst flying around at this time in the map at random, we have a very good idea what it is. (I will leave this blackned, so you can come back to this later)

Now, you get to Uranus and do Natah. BAM! Lotus is a Sentient and her father is alive and scouting.

TSD, we find the true nature of the Tenno.

TWW we get more power and introduction to The Man in the Wall.

We can also go to Eris and find out that Alad V was messing with the infestation and was completly rotten by it.

Chains of Harrow, Paladino calls Lotus "Blind Sentient Queen", so we get the idea that is is pretty high on the position she has on the Sentients.

Apostasy Prologue, Lotus leaves with Primed Reach.

Sacrifice, we find that the Lotus controlls MIMICS. She is the Great Sentient Mimic Queen, a spy. Just as ALL her fragments.

Now, return to the first blackned part. Ask yourself:

Who was the Mimic coercing Alad V? And Why? There are 2 scenarios:

• If this was before "Natah" AND Lotus was the one doing the coercing and controlling the Rapololyst, WHY was she trying to find ways to empower the Sentients with variations during the time they were her enemies?
• If this is after Apostasy then who was the Sentient "helping" Alad V if Lotus was not the one controlling the mimic and the Rapololyst?

Then we have Questions about Alad V himself on the second.

He is cleary scarred and being coerced by a Sentient and that Sentient does NOT let him go and do as he pleases, how he was able to get out, get Infested and then go back to Jupiter as if nothing happened? (Repeat, FORGET the events, look at this from the POV of everything you have in-game only).

Do you notice the missing pieces? Because that is the problem. DE has to make a timeline IN-GAME for us. They can even add more nodes that cant be accesed untill you do a mini-story mission, like "Help cure Alad V" after you get to Eris and he is defeated by you. The Disruption node would have to be locked out since this is a situation pos-Tubemen and he was cured, the fragments would have to be locked out untill that point... its a complete mess!

 

[Chaemyerelis]

The storyline is all sorts of jumbled when you play through the star chart. Wish DE would address this. 

[Steel_Rook]

3 hours ago, Urlan said:

I can feel you there, I have at least one clanmate and friend who refuses to put any personal investment into Warframe's story until the greater bulk of its lore is at least available for reading from the Codex. Something akin to a "story so far" based on the story quests completed up to that point or such.

I have a friend like that, as well. He's basically up to War Within, and consistently says that he has no idea who anyone is, what's going on or why we should care about any of this. I'm often in the same boat as him, except I come to the forums and pick up a thing here and there. I heard about a Rell comic book so I went to read that. It was interesting and SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME!!! I S#&$-talked Vay Hek in front of another friend of mine, who went on talking about all the trials and tribulations Hek has gone through to get to that point. I have to stop and ask him how he knows this. Apparently, he read a comic book about it which SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE GAME. And now you guys are bringing up this Shaggy or Reggy or whatever his name is person in relation to Alad V, and this is the first time I'm hearing about it. Someone else asked, and was told that he was part of events which are no longer in the game... But their storyline SHOULD BE!

I swear, Warframe's story could be pretty compelling if DE didn't do seemingly their level best to torpedo it completely. Yeah, sure, split the story between the game and a bunch of external media most players won't even know about, put important lore in temporary events then never reference them again or leave a trail, give players quests out of order without telling them, then update locations to new storylines without implying that older storylines exist... But still keep them in the lore. It feels like trying to make sense of the Harmony Gold cut of Robotech, or any of the other "we cut three different shows into one for sindication" experiments. What's there is actually pretty good, but nearly none of it is communicated to the player.

[GrayArchon]

21 hours ago, Urlan said:

the Gravidus Dilemma presented Nef Sergeant as the one that found the Cryopods the conflict was about and that he had notified his boss and delivered them to Alad V instead of the Grineer who at the time controlled that territory

Nope. Read my writeup on the Gradivus Dilemma (which has links to the original Forum posts). Alad V found the cryopods, and he found them near Sedna. At the time, Mars was completely controlled by the Corpus and used the Corpus Ship / Corpus Outpost tilesets. I played that event and I remember it, but there's also plenty of footage from the event on YouTube.

22 hours ago, Urlan said:

Indeed, Nef refers to his working for Alad V prior in Tubemen of Regor.

Can you provide me with evidence of this? The transcript pages on the wiki for Nef Anyo, Alad V, and Tyl Regor make no mention of this. Obviously the wiki is not necessarily comprehensive, but I've never seen this indicated.

23 hours ago, Urlan said:

Nef mentions that Frohd Bek gave him backing during the event as one of his quips, and further solidifies this during Glast Gambit where he mentions (jokingly) that if you clear out anymore of his credits, he might have to ask Frohd Bek for another loan,

I went back through my recordings of playing that quest. The line is this:

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Nef Anyo: "Oh, by the Void, you got me right in the pocketbook, Tenno! Keep doing that, and I'm going to have to ask Frohd Bek for a loan."

He doesn't say "another", and there's no indication that this has happened before. In fact, as far as I can tell, this is the only time that Nef Anyo has mentioned Frohd Bek's name, and vice versa. As I said earlier, I could find no line from Tubemen of Regor linking them together.

23 hours ago, Urlan said:

implied to be how he started the Index and came to power.

Again, I don't see how this is implied. By the time The Index came around, Nef had been involved in Operation: False Profit and the Razorback Tactical Alert, both ventures that could have netted him a lot of money. He's a scam artist, but a charismatic and clever one. That's probably how he got his credits. Also, his Fortuna project has been running for years and was probably another moneymaker for him.

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New Player working through the Starchart+missions in the current 'normal' unlock order. without access to all the Events of the past

Alad V's timeline appears to be:

 

evil corpus guy harvests Tenno bodies to make robots

gets shut down by Tenno

help Tenno out briefly in that spoiler mission

starts doing Infested research, gets infected

Infested Alad V mercy killed by Tenno

inexplicably Alad V is alive and well again for current events

 

Obviously that Timeline is completely wrong and backwards, but this is the Current Impression given to New Players because DE hasn't opted to transfer Lore from old 1-Time Events into the general path for new players.

 

Yeah he needs a lot of work.