DE - Do something about shields already.

[Ikyr0]

You did your test with Hildryn. Now please do something about shields on other frames, i.e. shield gating on Mag. Rework shield gating into passives. Or just release some new shield mods.

edit: some of you guys are entirely missing the point. I don't need Mag tips or your bad builds (I have a few hundred hours on her and have done long endurance runs). There are a dozen other shield frames that you can't spec for shields (because shields are bad)!

I'm implying if they're not gonna make shields worth speccing, then shields and their mods are wasted, misleading content. if shields aren't getting fixed, then take them out of the damn game, and add some extra vit and armor to every frame, call it a day!

Edited June 12, 2019 by Ikyr0

[Kylo.]

Why exactly does Mag need shield gating?

[Rawbeard]

who uses shields besides Hildryn anyway? just let it rot. and don't make mods to fix design problems either!

[yles9056]

11 minutes ago, Kylo. said:

Why exactly does Mag need shield gating?

Because she's a magnetic/shield theme frame?

[SneakyErvin]

16 minutes ago, Rawbeard said:

who uses shields besides Hildryn anyway? just let it rot. and don't make mods to fix design problems either!

Volt, Mag, Harrow and so on.

[Ikyr0]

19 minutes ago, Kylo. said:

Why exactly does Mag need shield gating?

because she gets one-shot in higher level content.

but that's besides the point. there are a ton of shield frames that u cant build around their core attribute. it's wasted content. if they dont wanna tackle shields, then just take them out of the damn game, tweak the stats and give more vit/armor to every frame.

Edited June 12, 2019 by Ikyr0

[Kylo.]

1 minute ago, Ikyr0 said:

because she gets one-shot in higher level content.

Yes 90 percent of frames do.

[Diavoros]

I agree that shields need an adjustment or rework, along with damage system. Shields ideally would be the first line of defense for most Warframes before they start taking health damage, however shields are a lackluster that barely work at mitigating damage considering how fast and easy they get taken down (unless you have a hefty amount of overshields). Shield capacity, shield recharge rate and shield recharge delay are stats that needs to be looked at, possibly to make them as functional as in a game like Borderlands.

[Ikyr0]

5 minutes ago, Kylo. said:

Yes 90 percent of frames do.

that's really not the case. there are a ton of frames without invuln, 90% DR, or invis mechanics who can go 1-2 hours in endurance runs because they have so much armor and/or vitality. Oberon, Excal, Khora, Garuda, etc. These frames can easily go up to lvl 150-160. I'm just saying there needs to be a shield alternative to armor on frames that don't have godmode mechanics.

Edited June 12, 2019 by Ikyr0

[Ikyr0]

14 minutes ago, yles9056 said:

Because she's a magnetic/shield theme frame?

this.

[Kylo.]

1 minute ago, Ikyr0 said:

Oberon, Excal, Khora, Garuda, etc. These frames can easily go up to lvl 150-160.

No they can't.

On the other hand  Mag can easily not get oneshot with 1650 Shield and 850 Health.

[trst]

Hildryn's shield gating would be outright overpowered on other frames; Mag and Harrow in particular could be infinitely invulnerable as long as they maintain energy for one ability.

 

If you want to avoid one-shots with "shield frames" then just use Adaptation or Quick Thinking with liberal use of rolling.

Edited June 12, 2019 by trst

[peterc3]

39 minutes ago, Ikyr0 said:

You did your test with Hildryn.

You're jumping to a conclusion with data you don't have. For all you know, Hildryn's shield gating doesn't do what they hoped or it can't be used on other frames.

[vid23]

8 minutes ago, Kylo. said:

No they can't.

On the other hand  Mag can easily not get oneshot with 1650 Shield and 850 Health.

you dont even need those, just use her bubble and stand inside of it

[(NSW)Sk0rp1on]

37 minutes ago, Rawbeard said:

who uses shields besides Hildryn anyway? just let it rot. and don't make mods to fix design problems either!

No one uses shields very much because they aren’t that great. Making shields better isn’t an unreasonable request, but ask me again when there’s a million posts about it.

[Ikyr0]

3 minutes ago, trst said:

Hildryn's shield gating would be outright overpowered on other frames; Mag and Harrow in particular could be infinitely invulnerable as long as they maintain energy for one ability.

 

If you want to avoid one-shots with "shield frames" then just use Adaptation or Quick Thinking with liberal use of rolling.

you're entirely missing the point (that's a horrific build btw). if they're not gonna make shields worth speccing, then just take them out of the damn game. it's wasted, misleading content.

[SordidDreams]

44 minutes ago, Kylo. said:

Why exactly does Mag need shield gating?

Same reason every other frame does, to mitigate the problem of BS one-shots.

[AvPCelticPredator]

42 minutes ago, Ikyr0 said:

shield gating on Mag

If u want to make tank of Mag, then wait and save "Umbral Formas" until u add full set, then u wont need shield buff on her.

Buffing sheld for every individual frame is really pointless and doesnt have any sense, some of the frames are for huge lvl some of them for mid and some for low lvl, but adding them in same rank is really stupid and this game will be lose fun for everyone.

[Ikyr0]

2 minutes ago, AvPCelticPredator said:

If u want to make tank of Mag, then wait and save "Umbral Formas" until u add full set, then u wont need shield buff on her.

Please stahp 😭

[trst]

Just now, Ikyr0 said:

you're entirely missing the point (that's a horrific build btw). if they're not gonna make shields worth speccing, then just take them out of the damn game. it's wasted, misleading content.

Sure there is no reason to ever go for a build based on Redirection or shield regen outside of Hildryn but at the same time there is hardly any reason to slot health given some of the other options we have available.

And how would removing shields be a remotely acceptable alternative? If you're just referring to shield mods then by your same logic some 80% of mods should be removed for being "misleading".

[Skaleek]

I see way too many people in this thread making the argument "Use X if you want shield frames to be viable". This whole thread is about shields not being viable. When you suggest to someone to use something other than the thing that they are claiming is not viable, you are supporting their point, and providing absolutely nothing to the thread.

Shields suck. They could use love. If you're arguing against it provide a reason why they shouldn't be buffed.

I can slap arcane grace/guardian, umbral mods, primed vigor, gladiator health/armor, and adaptation and make any frame viable to level 100+. That really doesnt change the state of shields in any way.

Edited June 12, 2019 by Skaleek

[Kylo.]

14 minutes ago, vid23 said:

you dont even need those, just use her bubble and stand inside of it

Yes that works if you don't stand in the middle.

[(XBOX)LoneRyder3926]

whats wrong with being one-shotted?

[Lutesque]

2 hours ago, Rawbeard said:

who uses shields besides Hildryn anyway? just let it rot. and don't make mods to fix design problems either!

This....

This is exactly what Universal Vacuum was..... 

Instead if fixing it they just threw mods at the problem. Still hasn't been fixed.... and shields are even worse because they're uselesness spans all the way back to the very begining of Warframe.

2 hours ago, SneakyErvin said:

Volt, Mag, Harrow and so on.

I think Harrow is the one that makes me sad the most because his shields are tied to his 2nd Ability 😞

Prototype Hildryn ?

2 hours ago, Kylo. said:

Yes 90 percent of frames do.

Hence why Inaros/Chroma is all you see at high levels...

2 hours ago, trst said:

Hildryn's shield gating would be outright overpowered on other frames; Mag and Harrow in particular could be infinitely invulnerable as long as they maintain energy for one ability.

Disagree.... I've had Hildryn's shields vanish in 2 Seconds during a sortie.... would have died if it wasn't for shield gating... giving them to Harrow and Mag wouldn't nake them over powered it would make Them Very good.

2 hours ago, trst said:

If you want to avoid one-shots with "shield frames" then just use Adaptation or Quick Thinking with liberal use of rolling.

Adaptation does didly squat for Shielfld Frames and Quick thinking doesn't work... it never did....

Mind you im already running Vitality ans redirection on my Warframes and you want me to spare yet another 2 precious slots for Survivability. Im sory but if I wanted to play a Warframe without using my Abilities I would just stick to Inaros plus X2 Rank 3  Magus Repairs. 

2 hours ago, vid23 said:

you dont even need those, just use her bubble and stand inside of it

Don't you need an enemy to cast that ability ? 

2 hours ago, trst said:

And how would removing shields be a remotely acceptable alternative? If you're just referring to shield mods then by your same logic some 80% of mods should be removed for being "misleading".

Well yeah.... its called removing the fat...it can't be used effectively then it has no place being there.

The new player experienve would be so much better if they weren't bombarded with Junk mods that they don't know are rubbish only to waste precious endo on them. 

22 minutes ago, (XB1)BlackcoatOne said:

whats wrong with being one-shotted?

? 

I don't know.... whats wrong with Host Migrations....? 

Or Cancer.... I really don't get the big fuss over cancer... its just an uncurable affliction that kills people.... makes no difference to me.

😞

[trst]

4 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

Disagree.... I've had Hildryn's shields vanish in 2 Seconds during a sortie.... would have died if it wasn't for shield gating... giving them to Harrow and Mag wouldn't nake them over powered it would make Them Very good.

Adaptation does didly squat for Shielfld Frames and Quick thinking doesn't work... it never did....

Mind you im already running Vitality ans redirection on my Warframes and you want me to spare yet another 2 precious slots for Survivability. Im sory but if I wanted to play a Warframe without using my Abilities I would just stick to Inaros plus X2 Rank 3  Magus Repairs. 

Well yeah.... its called removing the fat...it can't be used effectively then it has no place being there.

The new player experienve would be so much better if they weren't bombarded with Junk mods that they don't know are rubbish only to waste precious endo on them. 

Hildryn's passive lets her become literally invulnerable by stacking shield regen with a Decaying Dragon Key, her shields can fully regenerate (refreshing the gating) during the invulnerability. It's only so exploitable on her because the build makes it almost impossible to use her abilities; since Mag and Harrow still use energy they could maintain invulnerability with their abilities that restore shields or just rely on regen speed and never take damage again.

Adaptation grants damage resistance to shields and I also mentioned rolling, which grants 75% damage resistance during the animation. Both of these do grant a lot of survivability while relying on shields. And no idea what you're referring to about Quick Thinking unless you're referring to stagger locking with it which is entirely avoidable and doesn't invalidate the effect of QT anyways.

You can replace Redirection with Adaptation or Quick Thinking and have substantially more survivability. More so if paired with Arcanes like Energize or just using Void Dash. Point being that you don't need to stack every survivability mod together.

And again, by that exact logic 80% of mods should be removed from the game.