fang prime -some feedback

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

the weapon has a good disposition riven wise,  but for a prime weapon it is very bad stats and is impact/puncture no slash (how does that even work on a dagger? )

honestly okina greatly beats it as is, so im suggesting perhaps to increase the weapons status/crit ,provide it slash and attack speed maybe? 

-but seriously its a blade, it makes zero sense it has no slash damage 

 

[GinKenshin]

no point in talking about it when we know every melee is getting changed, including this. just wait for that then give the feedback 

[(XBOX)KayAitch]

1 hour ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:

the weapon has a good disposition riven wise

Yeah, that's because it suuuuuuuuucks. Hard MR fodder, and objectively the worst prime.

1 hour ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:

but seriously its a blade, it makes zero sense it has no slash damage

It wouldn't matter. Dual daggers are straight up broken. Awful stances, all the disadvantages of daggers but slower and without Covert Lethality.

I think to fix dual daggers they need to change the weapon type drastically - if a single dagger is the assassin's choice the dual needs to be something else. Maybe add loads of momentum, a ton of speed and stances that close distances for quick kills with high combo hits.

If they do fix dual daggers in melee 3 Ether Daggers already has the mostly-slash slot (and is the best weapon in the category). They'd have to do something else with Fang.

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

15 hours ago, (XB1)KayAitch said:

Yeah, that's because it suuuuuuuuucks. Hard MR fodder, and objectively the worst prime.

It wouldn't matter. Dual daggers are straight up broken. Awful stances, all the disadvantages of daggers but slower and without Covert Lethality.

I think to fix dual daggers they need to change the weapon type drastically - if a single dagger is the assassin's choice the dual needs to be something else. Maybe add loads of momentum, a ton of speed and stances that close distances for quick kills with high combo hits.

If they do fix dual daggers in melee 3 Ether Daggers already has the mostly-slash slot (and is the best weapon in the category). They'd have to do something else with Fang.

this seems more like personal opinion rather then actual feedback and being constructive 

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

17 hours ago, GinKenshin said:

no point in talking about it when we know every melee is getting changed, including this. just wait for that then give the feedback 

melee phase 2 is to change channeling and stances, along with melee stats , giving feedback ahead of time can be a factor in how they change stats

[NightmareT12]

Hey Mako. Indeed Fang Prime has been one of the worst Prime weapons ever since damage got changed in late 2013. The reason it had 0 slash damage was that back in the day Puncture ignored armor, and it was an incredibly good weapon. Once the damage system changed, this weapon alongside others got left in the dust due a lack of a proper rebalance.

IIRC DE already recognized Fang Prime (and probably Dakra Prime) as part of the weapons that needed some love. I'm sure the Melee pass will give it better life. But indeed DE should consider a shift in damage as well as a good passive for this one.

Edited June 17, 2019 by NightmareT12

[(XBOX)KayAitch]

7 hours ago, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:

this seems more like personal opinion

It's isn't. That's why it's a 5/5 riven dispo and has been for a long time.

On 2019-06-16 at 9:03 PM, (XB1)EternalDrk Mako said:

-but seriously its a blade, it makes zero sense it has no slash damage

The reason it has no slash is the Ether Daggers. Want slash in a dual dagger? Go Ether. Want puncture? Go Fang. 

You're better off asking for an Ether Daggers Prime.

7 hours ago, NightmareT12 said:

The reason it had 0 slash damage was that back in the day Puncture ignored armor, and it was an incredibly good weapon.

That too 🙂

But, here's the constructive bit: they need to redesign dual daggers entirely, or they're just slower daggers (ie useless). Maybe ask again after Melee 3.0

[(XBOX)EternalDrk Mako]

On 2019-06-17 at 7:23 AM, NightmareT12 said:

Hey Mako. Indeed Fang Prime has been one of the worst Prime weapons ever since damage got changed in late 2013. The reason it had 0 slash damage was that back in the day Puncture ignored armor, and it was an incredibly good weapon. Once the damage system changed, this weapon alongside others got left in the dust due a lack of a proper rebalance.

IIRC DE already recognized Fang Prime (and probably Dakra Prime) as part of the weapons that needed some love. I'm sure the Melee pass will give it better life. But indeed DE should consider a shift in damage as well as a good passive for this one.

remember when ether daggers bypassing armor as an innate mechanic ?  then that was removed, kinda felt like it was full circle again. though puncture vs armor bypass is something they have stated in the IPS rework as a thing possibly returning 

im kind of mixed on that but it would be nice for some puncture weapons honestly 

given that the rework of melees is in the horizon, i can only hope it and many others are on the list are are getting a rebirth of stats