1500 Hours, 10 Months: An Belated Open Letter Of Resignation.

[Cleesus]

Yeah no one from DE has commented on the thread since Steve gave up yesterday. I hope they at least went through the list i made, if they didnt read everything.

[LazyKnight]

Yeah no one from DE has commented on the thread since Steve gave up yesterday. I hope they at least went through the list i made, if they didnt read everything.

I am sure they are going to keep an eye on this topic.

 

Sad to see you go from the team, has been an honor sir Ced.

We shall continue to traverse the path of reading, writing, and attempting to fix things in times of need.

See you on the other side.

This was in this topic on page 3, it not like they are ignoring it.

[TisEric]

I am sure they are going to keep an eye on this topic.

 

This was in this topic on page 3, it not like they are ignoring it.

 

Implying that Rebecca is somehow apart of the team consensus.

She is a fantastic Com Manager , but she has little sway at DE.

 

I don't know how many threads i have seen her post in , even contribute and pass it on to the rest of DE.

Almost exclusively the issue or topic gets competently ignored or shutdown by the rest of the team.

[notlamprey]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't want free stuff.

 

I don't want a "we're sorry" cupcake.

 

I want evidence that this game is moving in the right direction again. I don't want to poop on the sentiment; if they're genuinely sorry, I can respect the apology itself. However, that apology needs to be part of a plan - a plan to fix the problems that got us to where we are.

 

I'm glad Steve is attempting to respond to the latest community concerns. I want him to feel like that's a worthwhile thing to do. That being said, given the history of their decision making, it doesn't seem like DE is getting the message. The game and community are trying to talk back to them, and it feels like they're paying too much attention to the bank account.

 

I've said before that a little financial transparency would help, but I don't want DE to feel like they owe us that. They've been burned before by the ignorance and immaturity of the community at large. I just wish that wasn't the case. I wish the folks who have poured their guts into this game could feel safe in sharing their passion and ideas with us.

 

Maybe we'll get there someday.

[Vilemyre]

So are you stepping down because of the developers actions and their ignorance towards you, Ced? I'm a little cloudy on the edges about this so i don't know the main reason behind the resignation..

 

To be honest I don't want that bribe to sweeten up an apology. They could sweeten it by fixing those issues and redeeming themselves.

Edited September 20, 2013 by Blk_Mage

[FulkFogan]

dont know u guy, but wish u all the best!

[LazyKnight]

-Snipe-

I was only trying to imply it wasn't ignored. DE_Sheldon comment on another topic about the clan weapon being buffed, they seem to be reading topic even if they aren't responding. There are few people that are as well known as "Ced23Ric" on these forums, it not like some obscure quit. The DE team is likely all aware of this topic on one level or another.

Edited September 20, 2013 by LazyKnight

[Spikey844]

*gets out bagpipes and plays Flowers of the Forest*

This tune is played at funerals, and this is one in a way.

Ced23Ric

Thank you

For everything.

[WARGAMES]

wow, now see this is something that tells more in depth about the situation.  I do wish they would spit more out instead of wording things as if to a different meaning.  but hey, I'm blunt and love the truth even if it hurts.  it'll always hurt less than if you find out they are hiding the real meaning.

[Fiia]

I wonder if DE will address these concerns and others in a real way during the next Livestream?

[Zeus154]

Well Ced, I knew you a little bit during Closed Beta phase, when I posted some old material. I still remember bits and pieces of my old Warframe concept. Looking back on it now, I do agree that it was attributed as "a medieval backlash." Looked pretty cool though, in my opinion. Then again, it was hard to determine what a Warframe concept would be. Leading this to another point, you were there for a small minority (like me), and in some cases the majority. You took the time to post in small threads, as well clear the clutter in larger ones. This is community interaction. You and Blatantfool did a good job on all of these occasions, while upholding your duties as a moderators.

 

You did your job and did it well. I commend the ounces of your time put forth from the beginning and now. It's sad to see you resign your position as a moderator, but at least you're somewhat relieved from your duty. A toast for you.

 

 

With this, I say thank you for putting in the time and effort for keeping us, the community in check. That and I hope your time off is a pleasant one. I wish you to have a nice evening, Ced.

[Ced23Ric]

So are you stepping down because of the developers actions and their ignorance towards you, Ced?

 

I am stepping down because I can no longer moderate for DE with a clear conscience and DE has brought to my attention that they do not appreciate my overly passionate way of repeating and insisting on changes to be made, due to my lack of experience in game design. This has been a process and the process has now come to an unfortunate conclusion. While I tried withlots of energy and drive to pick up the slack and cut through the noise to extrapolate the signal, I felt, ultimately, that much of it was in vain. If my efforts do not come to fruition - and again, this is not me riding my own horse into battle, this is me grabbing your feedback and putting it on the desk - then I have failed.

I can only do so much. After two months of reports and not even a response with an outlook within the confines of the NDA I signed, my feeling of helplessness and emptiness started to gnaw away at me. In the end, I had to resign, simply because I am not willing to be told that I have no idea about game design when I have been playing since the Amiga 500 was available in Eastern Germany when the Wall came down. i like to think that I do have a little bit of a head on my shoulders and that I am not stupid. If I would have been given reasons, answers, plans or outlooks, I would have accepted delays, but mostly what I received when I took the Community's feedback to DE was silence or evasion. With that in place, I need to act. The only act I have to raise a flag is my resignation. Due to circumstances not part of this thread, I ran this forum almost by myself for four months. I have been here when Warframe was just 1000 people and DE.

 

If that counts for such weak response, then I cannot justify investing this much time and energy any more. Initially, I wanted to just silently fade, because I felt it was my own frustration getting the better of me, but in the light of recent developments, I went public to use the last glimmer of influence I hoped to have some sort of impact. The bottom line is that there are many, many kind and hard-working people at DE, but whoever has their strings on the steering wheel needs to step away from that position and allow these hard working people to listen. I have talked to several DE employees since I resigned, and I can assure anyone wondering that we are at a position of mutual respect.

 

It is not the mappers, sound guys, animators, coders or concepters I am having an issue with. It is DE's strategic planning and decision making apparatus that has shown larger and larger signs of detachment, and it saddens me that the good work of dedicated people is sullied with such poor decisions. And you don't need to have three degrees in Game Design to understand that babysitting a foundry for a week is just as much unfun as rolling dice (in case of Survival, double blind, as the reward UI is not implemented!) with 1% chances.

 

I was only trying to imply it wasn't ignored. DE_Sheldon comment on another topic about the clan weapon being buffed, they seem to be reading topic even if they aren't responding. There are few people that are as well known as "Ced23Ric" on these forums, it not like some obscure quit. The DE team is likely all aware of this topic on one level or another.

 

Some DE employees have read this thread. Some have talked to me. Some may be talking about it internally. I am quite aware that DE did not and does not ignore threads. When I was a mod, I could see every user reading a thread, a forum or a section. DE's employees, from all departments, are in here all the time reading many threads. They do not respond, though. And here I am seeing a failure in communication: We were promised a "dev diary", akin to the Hot Topics, and got one post. We were promised a "dev tracker", which was tried and discarded. We were promised many things, and we were askedto bear with DE many times - but what for?

 

It takes dataminers to prove that DE is doing wrong. The first incident, where the forums blew up, was just like this, albeit a tad smaller. We got the first Void rates fixed just by insistingly dismantleing DE's damage control. Eventually, the thread had to be shut down, because Steve posted code from the game, which other people with programming background used to prove how cruel the results are. We made that push as a community and we saw it through.

 

This time, it took another data miner, and he produced what we all saw and feared. Forma almost gone. Core parts at 1% or less. It was the same thing again. And then we have Sheldon coming forth, apologizing. Someone had to. I would have sent him, too, from a tactical aspect. Steve was burned up from the last time, and Sheldon holds sympathy. Now the guy everyone adores gives out Plat and a grindey resource, but that is bread for the people. Bread & games.

 

I don't want to be held complacent, I don't want to get something I already grinded to no end so I could help my clan meet the horrendous research requirements. I want to see a change in policy. Communications need to be fixed. The drop rates need to be open. The drops of mods need to be relayed to the players. The goals for the immediate future need to be expressed. We need status updates, not apologies for guinea pig experiments gone wrong. It is worrisome to know that it took WeissKreuz to throw down, a dataminer to expose and me to resign to get some action into the beehive.

 

At this point one might understand why I take it as an insult when Steve says to me: "I am sorry that you feel slighted."

 

I ain't even mad. I am disappointed and desperate, because no avenue of civil approach nets even a response.

Edited September 20, 2013 by Ced23Ric

[Makaveli61]

F***.

Excaclty what im thouhgs F-----

[FoxyKabam]

Edited September 20, 2013 by FoxyKabam

[Ced23Ric]

So basically they didnt answer your questions to your liking so you leave.

 

The dataminers didnt show anything that anyone that has played games with loot drops doesnt know.

You claim you know something about game design and actually use that data mining silliness to try to prove a point?

Sorry man but as a person who has played games for a long time, doesnt matter when i started, all i do when people release the drop tables is laugh at anyone flipping out over them. Because all that shows are people who has NO IDEA about what type of game they are playing.

 

The data mining proved nothing at all. Zero.

 

I am so tired of reading your name. You have no idea. I won't even attempt to have any sort of constructive discussion with you, since you are not capable of changing your mind, regardless of the arguments presented. Since you did not take the time to read and understand any of what I wrote, I would prefer your, hence-forth, abstinence from this thread. You are not contributing anything of value at all, other than basking in your self-justified glory.

 

Thank you for your time. I stopped being interested in your words in U6, and it hasn't changed, Mak_Gohae. Leave this thread be. Find someone else to argue in a circle with. If you cannot understand, or don't want to, that is fine. Just don't polute yet another thread with your brickwall-ish behaviour. It is, quite frankly, annoying.

Edited September 20, 2013 by Ced23Ric

[muccmaster]

So basically they didnt answer your questions to your liking so you leave.

 

 

 

The dataminers didnt show anything that anyone that has played games with loot drops doesnt know.

You claim you know something about game design and actually use that data mining silliness to try to prove a point?

Sorry man but as a person who has played games for a long time, doesnt matter when i started, all i do when people release the drop tables is laugh at anyone flipping out over them. Because all that shows are people who has NO IDEA about what type of game they are playing.

 

The data mining proved nothing at all. Zero.

You are incredibly stupid.

[nemarsde]

Pffft. In my mind, this is playing for you.

 

That's a cello.

[Luminati07]

So basically they didnt answer your questions to your liking so you leave.

 

 

 

The dataminers didnt show anything that anyone that has played games with loot drops doesnt know.

You claim you know something about game design and actually use that data mining silliness to try to prove a point?

Sorry man but as a person who has played games for a long time, doesnt matter when i started, all i do when people release the drop tables is laugh at anyone flipping out over them. Because all that shows are people who has NO IDEA about what type of game they are playing.

 

The data mining proved nothing at all. Zero.

Ah, DE's knight in shining armour.

 

Always trying to go against the grain, aren't you Mak?

 

Every single post I've seen you make has fit into one of two categories.

1. DE's white knight.

2. Going against whatever it is the OP is saying.

 

Either way, Muccmaster had it right.

[SetAbominae]

I am so tired of reading your name. You have no idea. I won't even attempt to have any sort of constructive discussion with you, since you are not capable of changing your mind, regardless of the arguments presented. Since you did not take the time to read and understand any of what I wrote, I would prefer your, hence-forth, abstinence from this thread. You are not contributing anything of value at all, other than basking in your self-justified glory.

 

Thank you for your time. I stopped being interested in your words in U6, and it hasn't changed, Mak_Gohae. Leave this thread be. Find someone else to argue in a circle with. If you cannot understand, or don't want to, that is fine. Just don't polute yet another thread with your brickwall-ish behaviour. It is, quite frankly, annoying.

 

His last three lines say more than he wrote; complete freudian slip that is, but they do say more.

 

Also I hope you don't feel that bummed over it, Ced, sometimes you just gotta step away and breathe some fresh air; maybe put your dedication and passion towards someone who appreciates it, you will feel better and so will anyone/anything you dedicate such effort towards.

[pdxdubin]

Well That was unexpected 

 

Now who is going to love me 

[ChaoticVice777]

No words express what I'm feeling, but Ced23Ric, I'll be thinking about what you've been saying for a while yet:

 

Edited September 20, 2013 by ChaoticVice777

[MonsterPig]

Mak_Gohae removed from this thread. Big thumbs up.

Edited September 20, 2013 by TrevV

[WindKitsune]

I haven't been around for long, but from the posts in this topic it seems that OP is respected and admired.

 

I'll stay neutral in this matter, due to my not knowing the context of the situation, but I'll say this OP...best of luck in whatever you'll be doing next :)

Edited September 20, 2013 by WindKitsune

[FrostWolf]

Ah, DE's knight in shining armour.

 

Always trying to go against the grain, aren't you Mak?

 

Every single post I've seen you make has fit into one of two categories.

1. DE's white knight.

2. Going against whatever it is the OP is saying.

 

Either way, Muccmaster had it right.

 

It's typical behavior of a party zealot

 

Even when the party admits fault, the zealot refuses to see it that way

 

 

Generally they believe their dogmatic loyalty will get them rewarded with something I suppsoe

[perturbedcupid]

Thank you for being awesome. You have been the main man for so long now, that it will be hard to see another name with bright orange lettering underneath it. It is truly a shame to see you go, but it sounds like it was incredibly stressful for you. Luck be with you, Ced.