SaidTheRogue Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 title. mag casting animations take a painfully long time. what the hell? meanwhile, other frames such as zephyr inaros and nyx cast stuff super fast, damn near instantly. yeah, blah blah mods for casting/animation time, whatever. anyway.. DE, could mag get a little script/functionality tuning? its odd to basically be standing still long enough to CC yourself just to use yer stuff, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kylo. Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Cause her abilities are powerful unlike of the frames you mentioned. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion-Shields Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Natural Talent is a pretty useful mod on her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaidTheRogue Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 shouldnt be necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaZeku Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Pull / Magnetize / Polarize can be used while moving, all her abilities can be cast in mid-air, and Crush has actually already received a significant speed-up boost (plus it doesn't require LOS so just don't cast it out in the open with enemies past its range shooting at you). The only real "issue" I've found is the casting time / effect delay on Magnetize, that one can indeed be a bit annoying, often failing to establish a bubble because the target is already dead. Something like a hold function to manually place a bubble wherever you wish would be super nifty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 8 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said: Pull / Magnetize / Polarize can be used while moving, all her abilities can be cast in mid-air, and Crush has actually already received a significant speed-up boost (plus it doesn't require LOS so just don't cast it out in the open with enemies past its range shooting at you). The only real "issue" I've found is the casting time / effect delay on Magnetize, that one can indeed be a bit annoying, often failing to establish a bubble because the target is already dead. Something like a hold function to manually place a bubble wherever you wish would be super nifty. It would also be nice if, should the enemy die before the bubble is established, it refunded the energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion-Shields Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) . Edited June 23, 2019 by Legion-Shields Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YazMatazO Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Crush instantly makes enemies stop doing whatever they were doing, so it's casting speed isn't all that important. Pull functions somewhat the same way, but you can cast it during any movement, including reload. Magnetize, I think, has the longest casting time, but it's a pretty strong ability - basically shutting down a wave of enemies. Just don't walk back in it. Polarize doesn't cc, but you can cast it while on the move, as well. All in all, I think that's why. She's quite strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miser_able Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, YazMatazO said: Polarize doesn't cc, but you can cast it while on the move, as well. Well, with the augment it can cc, but idk if augments should be considered when it comes to balancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YazMatazO Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Just now, Miser_able said: Well, with the augment it can cc, but idk if augments should be considered when it comes to balancing. True that. What I mean is it doesn't stop enemies the same way crush does. As soon as you hit the 4 enemies stop doing whatever they were doing. So more or less you have to think about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzureTerra Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Crush is the only slowish one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaZeku Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Miser_able said: It would also be nice if, should the enemy die before the bubble is established, it refunded the energy. That also already happens 😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnossosTNC Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) Man, I've been waiting for an opportunity to get back to Mag. Two things stop me, though: 1) she's my starter frame, so I've already played her to Hell and back in my first few months with the game, and 2) thanks to a certain YouTuber, where I used to look at her base (non-Prime) helmet and see "adorable astronaut girl," I now see Jason Alexander's forehead. All of her other DE helmets are just bad. Her Deluxe skin has helped a little bit, but I'm still not satisfied. Might have to go Tennogen. But no, she doesn't feel that slow to me - at least not especially so compared to other frames like Limbo, Gara, Equinox and Nekros. Edited June 23, 2019 by KnossosTNC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Silverback73 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, SaidTheRogue said: title. mag casting animations take a painfully long time. what the hell? meanwhile, other frames such as zephyr inaros and nyx cast stuff super fast, damn near instantly. yeah, blah blah mods for casting/animation time, whatever. anyway.. DE, could mag get a little script/functionality tuning? its odd to basically be standing still long enough to CC yourself just to use yer stuff, eh? Ask 100 people whether they would take current build “fast cast” NYX or “slow cast” Mag in their squad. You can equip mods to adjust casting time...you can’t adjust a “reworked” ability that requires you to pump bullets into a mind-controlled enemy to make it “useful” instead of every other target trying to kill you. SMH. I feel you. I’ve advocated for Volt’s woeful base 1.0 speed to be tuned up even if it meant slowing his “2” a bit...to no avail. It’s part of the “balance” I guess. Edited June 23, 2019 by (PS4)Silverback73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaidTheRogue Posted June 23, 2019 Author Share Posted June 23, 2019 jeez, how many ppl are gonna mention the cast time/natural talent thing which i made a point to mention in the OP.. we get it, you can burn 1 slot just for cast speed. to which i say, to hell with that. im just advocating for reducing the clunk factor a bit. they wanted the caster frames to stop lagging behind, well.. =D as for nyx vs mag.. im not understanding that tribal lunarspeak. nyx is quite good now after her rework. but yeah, mag is a great frame which can dump all over many enemies at once, can we just get a reduction of kludge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duality52 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 *cries in Titania Jokes aside, the only "slow" ability here is Mag's Crush, and it got sped up from last year. All of Mag's other abilities can be casted one-handed (doesn't interrupt movement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagPrime Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 12 hours ago, SaidTheRogue said: title. mag casting animations take a painfully long time. what the hell? meanwhile, other frames such as zephyr inaros and nyx cast stuff super fast, damn near instantly. yeah, blah blah mods for casting/animation time, whatever. anyway.. DE, could mag get a little script/functionality tuning? its odd to basically be standing still long enough to CC yourself just to use yer stuff, eh? Pull I'd one one the fastest cast animations in the game, Polarize isn't far behind. That leaves Magnetize and Crush, and they do have slow animations. It would be nice if those two were inherently faster but their power is a decent trade off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Silverback73 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 1 hour ago, SaidTheRogue said: jeez, how many ppl are gonna mention the cast time/natural talent thing which i made a point to mention in the OP.. we get it, you can burn 1 slot just for cast speed. to which i say, to hell with that. im just advocating for reducing the clunk factor a bit. they wanted the caster frames to stop lagging behind, well.. =D as for nyx vs mag.. im not understanding that tribal lunarspeak. nyx is quite good now after her rework. but yeah, mag is a great frame which can dump all over many enemies at once, can we just get a reduction of kludge? “Quite Good” for today’s squad-based Warframe? Do tell. Statistically speaking? Nyx was once my 2nd most used frame... I’ll take a deeper dive and see how many squads give me the thumbs up when I show up with NYX. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yles9056 Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 (edited) I'm quite used to Mag's cast speed. And I can tell you that Natural Talent isn't necessary. Her 1~3 abilities aren't really slow compare to other warframes' abilities. Also, these abilities have large range and can be cast while moving. So you can cast them from safe distance or while running around. Crush is the only one that's slow. But since it prevents enemies from doing anything during the cast animation, you wouldn't want to reduce its cast time. Edited June 23, 2019 by yles9056 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Not only can you still move during everything but Crush but they're also all one-handed actions meaning you can still shoot and attack during them. Really if we want to complain about casting speed look no further than Limbo, losing the ability to move and shoot with several abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)remo_yesman Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 I only use Mags 2 and her 3 with Counterpulse, seems fine to me, her 1 is very niche and her 4 is awful in my opinion.. Your point still stands for her 4 tho.. Natural Talent..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)MoRockaPDX Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Because she is so short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) Natural Talent IMO is a must have on her. At the very least you should use speed drift. Her abilities used to be much worse, freezing you on point when you cast any of them. Now you can move while casting so I can live with it. I do agree speeding up her casting a bit more coz she's a caster and more than 60% of the time you are casting one of her 4 abilities. Alternately make them one-hand action. Edited June 24, 2019 by Marvelous_A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaZeku Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 5 hours ago, Marvelous_A said: Alternately make them one-hand action. ... but they already are (well, except for of course Crush, which shouldn't be). Did you skip all the other responses? This was mentioned multiple times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Demon Intellect Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 14 hours ago, (PS4)Silverback73 said: Ask 100 people whether they would take current build “fast cast” NYX or “slow cast” Mag in their squad. You can equip mods to adjust casting time...you can’t adjust a “reworked” ability that requires you to pump bullets into a mind-controlled enemy to make it “useful” instead of every other target trying to kill you. SMH. I feel you. I’ve advocated for Volt’s woeful base 1.0 speed to be tuned up even if it meant slowing his “2” a bit...to no avail. It’s part of the “balance” I guess. I'd honestly take Nyx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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