Fulmin: Holding the tip

[(PSN)ErydisTheLucario]

Now that I do/don't have your attention, anyone notice how when you swap the Fulmin to full auto how your frame holds onto the barrel? Its a small detail sure, but I keep thinking to myself how can you hold that and fire without feeling any discomfort? Its unorthodox I say! But man is the Fulmin awesome.

[Naiak0]

6 minutes ago, (XB1)Cubic Clem said:

I think it's kinda cool that the suppressor is held in the hand instead of just disappearing.. :3 and yes, the fulmin is a great weapon.

Agreed, it's a really neat detail having it there, but I do wish DE would make the position of the arm while in auto mode look less awkward/twisted, don't want it gone but not the way it is either. 😦

[xGryphus]

Pretty sure it's based on Harries technique:

[(PSN)robotwars7]

Fulmin is really strong, basically a semi-auto shotgun and assault rifle mixed into one. holding the detaching part (not sure if that's supposed to count as a Suppressor, Muzzle Brake or other device, looks like it could be any) in the off-hand is kind of cool as well. i just wish we had more actual gun & melee dual wielding, like what is promised with melee 3.0.

[NocheLuz]

I don't know if it can still be trigger. But recently I found that if you switch the weapon to Secondary while the Fulmin is in Auto mode. Sometime the suppressor will still be visible in the hand when holding Secondary gun. It kinda weird but it would be a small detail if the Warframe did hold the Suppressor while using one-handed Secondary. In my case, it happen when I use Kitgun.

[Naiak0]

4 hours ago, xGryphus said:

Pretty sure it's based on Harries technique:

It definitely looks like it's inspired, except the dude's hand isn't partially clipping through the gun and twisting as he's holding it that way, that's the problem:

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[YazMatazO]

'Oh, your Fulmin one shots enemies? Do you have a riven for it?'

'No, just mod for Radiation.'

'I see.'

I was standing on the side with my catchmoon when I caught that conversion in an index run. By the end of it I had 60 kills, the Fulmin had 12. I like how the Fulmin feels in general, especially it's auto fire, but I just don't think it's a strong weapon. 

[Qmiras]

40 minutes ago, YazMatazO said:

'Oh, your Fulmin one shots enemies? Do you have a riven for it?'

'No, just mod for Radiation.'

'I see.'

I was standing on the side with my catchmoon when I caught that conversion in an index run. By the end of it I had 60 kills, the Fulmin had 12. I like how the Fulmin feels in general, especially it's auto fire, but I just don't think it's a strong weapon. 

Because catchmoon is retardedly op doesn't mean you should be using it as a bar to measure other weapons. Fulmin is a nice weapon to have, and so are mostly of the "non-meta" variety...I love to go into instances with my twin rogga...while the other 3 srty members have variations of miniplasmor in their current load

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

5 hours ago, xGryphus said:

Pretty sure it's based on Harries technique:

It’s a silencer, not a flashlight!

[MacKerris]

29 minutes ago, Qmiras said:

Because catchmoon is retardedly op doesn't mean you should be using it as a bar to measure other weapons. Fulmin is a nice weapon to have, and so are mostly of the "non-meta" variety...I love to go into instances with my twin rogga...while the other 3 srty members have variations of miniplasmor in their current load

lol, I'm sorry but the meta weapons without rivens IS how you measure all other weapons.

Edited June 23, 2019 by MacKerris

[Qmiras]

16 minutes ago, MacKerris said:

lol, I'm sorry but the meta weapons without rivens IS how you measure all other weapons.

You know and barely modded catchmoon can very well handle most orb Valli's content no riven, no catalyst, no arcane ...try that with a vanilla weapon and see if you can see comparable data

[MacKerris]

1 minute ago, Qmiras said:

You know and barely modded catchmoon can very well handle most orb Valli's content no riven, no catalyst, no arcane ...try that with a vanilla weapon and see if you can see comparable data

Yes one is better than the other. And, yes weapon balance in the game is off to say the least. But I haven't played a game where there weren't meta weapons.

[JackHargreav]

49 minutes ago, (XB1)GearsMatrix301 said:

It’s a silencer, not a flashlight!

Umm... and? It was still based on that technique. 

[Qmiras]

7 minutes ago, MacKerris said:

Yes one is better than the other. And, yes weapon balance in the game is off to say the least. But I haven't played a game where there weren't meta weapons.

Then again you shouldnt be comparing them to it....imagine if you only compare with the best of something....only the guy with the best test score would pass an exam, all other would be failed just because there was a highest one...

Tl; Dr   you should be comparing to average weapons

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

12 minutes ago, Qmiras said:

Then again you shouldnt be comparing them to it....imagine if you only compare with the best of something....only the guy with the best test score would pass an exam, all other would be failed just because there was a highest one...

Tl; Dr   you should be comparing to average weapons

Yes, and that's called grading on the curve. Most elite schools use this method as it averages out the scores and grades based on how well you performed versus the average, not strictly based on a fixed grading scale. No, just because you scored a 95% does not mean you deserve an A if everyone else scored well; it means the test was too easy and you need a 99% or higher to get an A.

 

[0_The_F00l]

yeah a nice detail but can be really weird on some frames that are either too skinny or too bulky.

 

wish they had something similar like that with melee to gun switches too , one of the biggest things i disliked about the melee rework phase was the insta switch without animation.

made it less immersive for me.

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

2 hours ago, JackHargreav said:

Umm... and? It was still based on that technique. 

That doesn’t justify how awkward it looks.

[Aldain]

4 hours ago, (PS4)Hiero_Glyph said:

Yes, and that's called grading on the curve. Most elite schools use this method as it averages out the scores and grades based on how well you performed versus the average, not strictly based on a fixed grading scale. No, just because you scored a 95% does not mean you deserve an A if everyone else scored well; it means the test was too easy and you need a 99% or higher to get an A.

This is an absurd metric to do anything by, actually grading on a curve (on either end of the scale) at all for anything, school or otherwise, only serves to completely trivialize any and all work done by an individual.

All this metric does is reinforce a "Why should I even bother" mentality on people because no matter how hard you try somebody will always be better than you, and if you are always going to be compared to somebody better than you there's no way to ever escape that shadow.

Things and people need to be judged not by their relation to others but by their capabilities on their own, otherwise you get false or skewed information that turns the exceptional into the mediocre or the mediocre into the average, neither of which is good for either end of the measure.

Think of it this way, if people are going to compare everything to the Catchmoon in Warframe, why should DE ever make another weapon? The answer is they shouldn't because nothing can ever surpass it, and even if something did it would just further trivialize everything else that could be made until there is only one thing that is even worth using.

[Renegade343]

11 hours ago, (PS4)ErydisTheLucario said:

> Holding the tip

I'm sorry (not sorry) that I giggled at the title.

[(PSN)Hiero_Glyph]

26 minutes ago, Aldain said:

This is an absurd metric to do anything by, actually grading on a curve (on either end of the scale) at all for anything, school or otherwise, only serves to completely trivialize any and all work done by an individual.

All this metric does is reinforce a "Why should I even bother" mentality on people because no matter how hard you try somebody will always be better than you, and if you are always going to be compared to somebody better than you there's no way to ever escape that shadow.

Things and people need to be judged not by their relation to others but by their capabilities on their own, otherwise you get false or skewed information that turns the exceptional into the mediocre or the mediocre into the average, neither of which is good for either end of the measure.

Think of it this way, if people are going to compare everything to the Catchmoon in Warframe, why should DE ever make another weapon? The answer is they shouldn't because nothing can ever surpass it, and even if something did it would just further trivialize everything else that could be made until there is only one thing that is even worth using.

For the record, a curve works the opposite way as well. So if everyone scores very low on as test because it was incredibly difficult, an 'A' might be anything over 80%.

Back on topic, there will always be a better/best option. Things like MR and crafting materials help to gate these options as players progress. You can't just look at something and declare it average. It needs to be measured against its peers and also against those above and below.

The Catchmoon is certainly one of the top weapons, but not everything needs to be equal. I certainly wouldn't argue if DE nerfed it slightly, but like the Acrid, Vaykor Marelok, Synoid Gammacor, Sicarus Prime, etc. there will always be a dominant secondary that the community uses as a reference for if something else is worth using.

 

[(PSN)ErydisTheLucario]

11 hours ago, Renegade343 said:

I'm sorry (not sorry) that I giggled at the title.

It means exactly what you think.