Summoner that summons for it to stay

[ChaoticEdge]

We have 2 can summon, Khora and wukong for their summons is there to stay but why can't nekcros do that?  I would like to have an army that would stay with me whatever I wanted to summon instead of relying on specters to massively make an army.  I made a suggestion in the fan concept but...turns out no one liked or either much to reply it...

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Its not like the frame doesn't have other abilities which the orokin mass produce warframes with unlimited possible being to be sets like the mimics and it could be possible they made a warframe mimic to mimic other objects or enemies or doing better stealthiness and ambushing.  I only hope that warframe will have more summoner, more different elemental uses for the frames instead of having only 1 frame isn't beloved *looking at ember* that they need improved to have other partnership additional to the frames of its side.

[NinjaZeku]

1 hour ago, ChaoticEdge said:

why can't nekcros do that?  I would like to have an army that would stay with me

You can keep up your Shadows going forever easily enough, just recast your 4 before they expire,
Energy shouldn't be much of an issue on Nekros thanks to Despoil + Equilibrium.

[ChaoticEdge]

11 hours ago, NinjaZeku said:

You can keep up your Shadows going forever easily enough, just recast your 4 before they expire,
Energy shouldn't be much of an issue on Nekros thanks to Despoil + Equilibrium.

what wait until you get a leecher for that and energy depleted?  No thank you not worth the risk for I tried it before and usually thous leecher get stuck in corner still somewhere like under the stair case or in weird places they shouldn't be at.  Sometime their AI get broken so its better have permanent unit like wukong's 1 ability because it shows that how useful a summoned one more then army that runs on battery.

[(PSN)LoisGordils]

5 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said:

what wait until you get a leecher for that and energy depleted?  No thank you not worth the risk for I tried it before and usually thous leecher get stuck in corner still somewhere like under the stair case or in weird places they shouldn't be at.  Sometime their AI get broken so its better have permanent unit like wukong's 1 ability because it shows that how useful a summoned one more then army that runs on battery.

With Despoil and Equilibrium, you have to be AFK in order to not produce energy. Permanent Shadows is bad because having an army of allies that can permanently provide 90% damage reduction with the augment is a tad too much. Nekros doesn't need permanent Shadows. What he does need is the ability to use Soul Punch to kill unwanted Shadows

[ChaoticEdge]

45 minutes ago, (PS4)LoisGordils said:

With Despoil and Equilibrium, you have to be AFK in order to not produce energy. Permanent Shadows is bad because having an army of allies that can permanently provide 90% damage reduction with the augment is a tad too much. Nekros doesn't need permanent Shadows. What he does need is the ability to use Soul Punch to kill unwanted Shadows

I didn't say give him permanent shadow, I prefer have wukong's 1 because better then dealing with energy eating cost you have to press that button every time for that type of deal that you have to keep on running and find tons of health orb on the ground to transmute energy which I already done that job long ago and its not an easy job pressing the button and keeping the units alive that why I wanted a type a frame that do permanent army and not wasting energy cost which we do have specters to do those job but cost for materials to keep on building it for seems bit way too wasteful.

Its the deal with "No Energy Cost 1 Unit Vs Energy Cost For An Army" where both them stand the struggles for if you had read the thread I made long ago (linking it to the spoiler)

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I've try make an army without having too much spend energy cost even you have higher % efficient scales it doesn't mean the army won't stop decaying faster then the speed of light and we do absolute get the struggled playing as nekcros because look his armor

His armor does not stand up against lvl 100 bombarder even thou you increase shields amount it will just die in seconds (even thou they rework the shield it doesn't mean the bs is going make the frame another tank version of the counter part of armor) for I am trying pretty much hard to ask for simple thing can we get a summoner to able make an army that stay permanent on the field because grineer rely on troops and their health don't decay also the corpus and other being, relying on allies will also give you slap of the face if they wanted to get you up or you might hear a lecture they are saying "Omg a noob is down for the count and he is using nekcro just use dodge build on him blah blah blah blah" and they just mock players for using nekcro when they really wanted to farm and keep things going.

that why I pointed there is 2 ppl who do permanent summon but they can't make an army out of it so I ask why not make a permanent army like nekcros but bit different.

[NinjaZeku]

1 hour ago, ChaoticEdge said:

without having too much spend energy cost even you have higher % efficient scales it doesn't mean the army won't stop decaying faster

Just base Efficiency is enough to keep Bonedaddy topped up on Energy on my end
(Hek, I've even got a -55% Eff build and that's been doing ~fine most of the time).

Don't neglect your Duration and your Shadows will last a decent while.

1 hour ago, ChaoticEdge said:

we do absolute get the struggled playing as nekcros because look his armor

Shield Of Shadows gives damage reduction (plus not least proc immunity),
Health Conversion gives a flat +1350 Armor pretty much constantly.

[ChaoticEdge]

24 minutes ago, NinjaZeku said:

Just base Efficiency is enough to keep Bonedaddy topped up on Energy on my end
(Hek, I've even got a -55% Eff build and that's been doing ~fine most of the time).

Don't neglect your Duration and your Shadows will last a decent while.

Shield Of Shadows gives damage reduction (plus not least proc immunity),
Health Conversion gives a flat +1350 Armor pretty much constantly.

try 1 leecher, new alagram enemies and nullfyier that don't do jack even thou you build it that much.  Nekcro is very filmsy character even thou you rely on his summoning ability you have to keep on pressing that 4 button everytime when you see your undead army is about 1/3 their health press it then leecher start sucking it and discover your screwed  because you an't got energy left even thou even thou the arcane you'll never know another leecher start spawning 2 or 3 more afterwards which I watch pro nekcros guy still get killed and this was in arbertation mode so pretty much it didn't save him for while and he was set good with all those weapons he got until he get blown off by a grenade which the whole nekcros's summon got trashed by alagram's bubble null attack and made it useless against a living alagram nuller so good bye to his build for that.

generally this is nekcros's flaw issue of his sets even thou you made him king of the undead it doesn't mean he is absolute immortal that way, the fact ppl will choose wukong or khora is because they have backup buddies that will stay with them for sure and not a buddy that is still limited to time of their hp.  So its better stick with wukong's 1 button for the monkey spray their guns all over the place or Khora to whip lash an just self healing.

At the time being I don't see nekcros doing the heavy lifting job unless you give him a good gun that actually give him enough firepower and supply him enough ammo then yea he would be just go nuts spraying.  At the time being nekcros only is good for farming materials and not great keeping his troops alive, which you still have desecrate and your vs the simple being the build which you have to choose between of these things range despoil vs shield shadow of shadow with duration for you can't mix both for nekcros health be very low and choosing both will end up the result the same thing over again with the same issue that is developed pass couple years for no one cared for the shield for you try build nekcros as tanky as be and limited the range of your summon how much your getting for everyone will say screw shield of shadow because one I want move fast enough and gather much materials I need, the fact is you need shield everytime but you have to keep on pressing 4 button to bring your army to you for they are SET WONDER OFF THEIR OWN and no I don't wanted to be like wukong where the monkey keep on teleporting a side the master every freaking seconds.

Noted I say it again they need build a warframe that is capable to able summon more then 2 permanent units which players would like a frame that do lots summoning which players did had a blast full of meme when they were using gadgets specters

 

which I would like to see the return the summoning things for the fun blast of it but at the time the specters are limited of their caps depending its on mission mode but if they go to a Plans like PoE or either Fortuna they are set the greatest suckest low level and cap to be only flipping 15-20 because location area will not be balance if your facing in mission in the plans which they will stay lvl 15-20 only because its reading it just plan mission in roaming sometime if your down too bit close to spawn they will appeared only lvl 5-8 only and it sux because your facing lvl 50-90 enemies if you selected higher difficult mission in the plans.

Edited June 24, 2019 by ChaoticEdge

[XenMaster]

All the op want is "Follow/Stay Position" command. Supposedly for all warframes that create clones specters minions and control minions

[ChaoticEdge]

2 hours ago, XenMaster said:

All the op want is "Follow/Stay Position" command. Supposedly for all warframes that create clones specters minions and control minions

we already have nuke frames, super tanky frames and they are overpower more then the clones and specters even our weapons is a nuke.  Also noted that specters are NOT POWERFUL IN Open Plans

Edited June 25, 2019 by ChaoticEdge

[XenMaster]

3 hours ago, ChaoticEdge said:

we already have nuke frames, super tanky frames and they are overpower more then the clones and specters even our weapons is a nuke.  Also noted that specters are NOT POWERFUL IN Open Plans

Atleast allow them to not go far away from camping in Survival lmao.

[ChaoticEdge]

3 hours ago, XenMaster said:

Atleast allow them to not go far away from camping in Survival lmao.

when the syndicate gives specters they are free to be used so you can't blame the dev for this, also you have much powerful nuker players like chroma and they went buff him and nerf him so many time its hard depending and then you have exqualnoix the second nuker, then volt and forgot who else...oh yea still syran for obvious saying you can control the nuker you can claimed its balanced which players will always find a way to break the game.

Remember you have to think what is fun and what is need to be taken serious about, every frames has their own job being support, healer, and many more what the job is, nekcros still give his support role just being a farmer...that is it...and vauban we are waiting for vauban's update and his support class only good dealing with mid tier enemies that are in lvl 30-40s unless your that guy who love vauban but grief that you know he suck and need rework really badly pretty much I am talking about with an R.  Pretty much I do petty for his vauban how much they badly nerf him and if they show this type bad example then the point is going be made that they need make the support better in their role which that why I suggested summoner frame that actually make things stay permanent for I know wisp fill in the spot being support but now on the players is just Rambo-ing style and don't give a dang until the players is down and you told them so many time go by the healing circles but they don't listen for they have thick as skull head think they don't need healing pretty much this is view, at the time being players who just ignore healing and so on stuff needs also a summoner to able deal with support when someone is down which summons be actually decoy who really draws the attention while they really do their finishing jobs for it.

As again not much frames are really respected as being support *looking at baruuk* even thou their name might be forgotten they also need rework and knowing the players it doesn't suit their play style and players who just simple make nuke frame just pressing the same button over and over again as they prefer nuke frames over then support/healer frames.  The fact is we are facing waves of enemies not in survival, not defense but we are facing to the point that fortuna has a special alert system and ppl focus on no support, just pure attack frame and nekcros to just farm and this tells me that support frames are never needed in the 1st place even in other missions for lets face the music that vauban was the best support and now we have better support class and vauban get rekt nerf because someone complain about the tesla being too powerful and too much numbers which it was fair for vauban having those as backup support power but now look at him this now how bad and how they crippled him, we are turning to the point we are shaming the support and not respecting them that why only few frames only get the respect and trying give respectfully about the frame to be developed.  People complain about crowd control too powerful but they don't say anything about their nuke frames they have for they are consider as crowd control, its not wrong to have something powerful enough to deal with other enemies so its better for the frame to get correction frame that do summoning that actually do a crowd control in equal balance.  I know nekcros is going have rework on his 1 ability which no one ever used it unless they do it for laugh just simple doing ragdoll enemies and his 2nd ability need a buff, so lets simple to put summoner good crowd control but not that powerful to believed in which wukong's summon is stuck as lvl 30 so kind of stinks but he is really healthy and tanky but remember he isn't that type immortal before.  Summoner frame would be great idea to be settled in the game even thou we already broke the game too many time with our nuke frames for its better to have other type instead of saying no to them.

 

[XenMaster]

48 minutes ago, ChaoticEdge said:

when the syndicate gives specters they are free to be used so you can't blame the dev for this, also you have much powerful nuker players like chroma and they went buff him and nerf him so many time its hard depending and then you have exqualnoix the second nuker, then volt and forgot who else...oh yea still syran for obvious saying you can control the nuker you can claimed its balanced which players will always find a way to break the game.

Remember you have to think what is fun and what is need to be taken serious about, every frames has their own job being support, healer, and many more what the job is, nekcros still give his support role just being a farmer...that is it...and vauban we are waiting for vauban's update and his support class only good dealing with mid tier enemies that are in lvl 30-40s unless your that guy who love vauban but grief that you know he suck and need rework really badly pretty much I am talking about with an R.  Pretty much I do petty for his vauban how much they badly nerf him and if they show this type bad example then the point is going be made that they need make the support better in their role which that why I suggested summoner frame that actually make things stay permanent for I know wisp fill in the spot being support but now on the players is just Rambo-ing style and don't give a dang until the players is down and you told them so many time go by the healing circles but they don't listen for they have thick as skull head think they don't need healing pretty much this is view, at the time being players who just ignore healing and so on stuff needs also a summoner to able deal with support when someone is down which summons be actually decoy who really draws the attention while they really do their finishing jobs for it.

As again not much frames are really respected as being support *looking at baruuk* even thou their name might be forgotten they also need rework and knowing the players it doesn't suit their play style and players who just simple make nuke frame just pressing the same button over and over again as they prefer nuke frames over then support/healer frames.  The fact is we are facing waves of enemies not in survival, not defense but we are facing to the point that fortuna has a special alert system and ppl focus on no support, just pure attack frame and nekcros to just farm and this tells me that support frames are never needed in the 1st place even in other missions for lets face the music that vauban was the best support and now we have better support class and vauban get rekt nerf because someone complain about the tesla being too powerful and too much numbers which it was fair for vauban having those as backup support power but now look at him this now how bad and how they crippled him, we are turning to the point we are shaming the support and not respecting them that why only few frames only get the respect and trying give respectfully about the frame to be developed.  People complain about crowd control too powerful but they don't say anything about their nuke frames they have for they are consider as crowd control, its not wrong to have something powerful enough to deal with other enemies so its better for the frame to get correction frame that do summoning that actually do a crowd control in equal balance.  I know nekcros is going have rework on his 1 ability which no one ever used it unless they do it for laugh just simple doing ragdoll enemies and his 2nd ability need a buff, so lets simple to put summoner good crowd control but not that powerful to believed in which wukong's summon is stuck as lvl 30 so kind of stinks but he is really healthy and tanky but remember he isn't that type immortal before.  Summoner frame would be great idea to be settled in the game even thou we already broke the game too many time with our nuke frames for its better to have other type instead of saying no to them.

 

Which part do you want for a summoner frame?

 

A follow/stay command?

 

Or another thing?

[ChaoticEdge]

13 minutes ago, XenMaster said:

Which part do you want for a summoner frame?

 

A follow/stay command?

 

Or another thing?

simple an army that is here to stay and until they die, simple follow/stay command nothing need complex needs, the summoner frame is frown a pond as support when they do support its crowd control which nekcros's crowd control is his only 2 and 4 ability, we all know his 4 ability takes too long and not worth using it everytime because we face the same time enemies consuming our energy, then nullify teams and also how flimsy neckros is even thou you used shield of the shadow.  Nothing more just simple work.  Players have to understand support frames are just there for just looks for they are there to help out the team more.