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Third-Party Software and You - A PSA


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Greetings, Tenno.

We have seen a few requests lately, specifically requesting that we provide a list of software that we do and do not allow to run in conjunction with Warframe. While it is understood that some software is good and others are inherently bad or designed to assist cheating, there are some cases where software falls in gray areas.

The reason for this post is to have an updated reference about our policy on external, third-party software, and the potential pitfalls of using such software in conjunction with Warframe.

The simple, golden rule is this;

If you use external software in conjunction with Warframe, then you do so at your own risk.

While we could technically issue blanket bans on everything that alters the game files, the fact of the matter is that there's some software that can be useful and helpful for members of our community. This is where context is very important. The difficulty here is that it's incredibly hard for players to prove that they are not using a program nefariously, and while it is certainly possible that there are false positives (which a ticket to support can resolve), the ban will remain in place until your ticket can be processed.

This leads into why a list is not provided. If you have a piece of Macro software that is normally tolerated, but is then discovered to be the source of a future exploit, that software may get added to a ban list, and you could potentially be caught up in the automatic drag net. As stated above, there is no easy way to prove that the software used is benign.

Bans for altering game files, cheating and / or exploiting Warframe are hefty and final. Our stance on using such software is firm, and appealing against that ban is very difficult if we have reason to believe that you have been using said software for cheating, exploiting, or AFK farming.

The only way you can reliably, 100% avoid a ban for using external software is to simply not use it. 

Again, if you take anything away from this post, it should be this;

If you use external software in conjunction with Warframe, then you do so at your own risk.
 

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I personally use autohotkey to spam E or left click for semi auto weapons when my hands are on a bad day. Arthritis its a *@##$ of a company and my mice macro software its terrible, it cant even loop a macro. Pure S#&$.

Please DE, we need accessibility options like auto click while holding a certain key, etc.

Its super important for peiple that ita getting old or have a condition that cant be healed.

@[DE]Rebecca

Please reb, try to push this to the team, since they added colorblind things I really feel like the next step its to help alleviate issues for people with broken hands.

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On 2019-06-26 at 3:31 PM, Xydeth said:

this needs to be in letters at the size of 30. ive seen quite some people ask about macroing and spin2win on melee since its become a thing and i always shake my head how people can ruin their own fun by doing that, though this is opinion but it also is still a risc in any game, unless the game itself has such a feature included, of which i only remember 2-3 examples maximum.

personally i would even punish macroing since its enhancing player "ability" beyond whats really achievable by normal means but i guess thats my opinion only.

afterwards people still complain and whilst a support ticket might resolve it, it is still a risc people should really remember more than they seem to do.

 

thanks for the clarification. very helpful information for everyone, even if u dont post a detailed list of programs.

 

ruin fun? more like save yourself from carpal tunnel syndrome. that's even less fun.  haveing to click until your finger is painful is the opposite of fun. 

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vor 13 Stunden schrieb Spam661:

ruin fun? more like save yourself from carpal tunnel syndrome. that's even less fun.  haveing to click until your finger is painful is the opposite of fun. 

then dont, but guess what: ur playing an online game with a mouse and keyboard instead of controller so u will de facto click or press buttons a lot. if u choose to play melee 24/7 then of course that involves a lot of use of the corresponding button.

theres 0 arguments to be made about that justifying the use of additional software. u use it at ur own risc or u just dont. ur choice.

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14 hours ago, Spam661 said:

ruin fun? more like save yourself from carpal tunnel syndrome. that's even less fun.  haveing to click until your finger is painful is the opposite of fun. 

You may want to consider getting a mouse with a stupid amount of thumb buttons. The thumb is more robust, so that should help.

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as someone with painful RSI, it's really disheartening to know I'd be risking a ban if I tried to use macros (especially "autofire") to reduce repetitive key inputs. mashing e or lmb is not a skill barrier, but it's definitely a physical disability barrier. it's honestly surprising to see a company maintain such a poor stance on basic accessibility in 2021.

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In a time where automation is the driving force in the software industry and all manufacturers of mouse and keyboard are bringing their own macro-software pre-installed when installing the drivers, a company has very strict rules of you are not allowed of any of that.

I mean, to each their own. Let them have such tryhard rules. But dont force me to close all those programms  in the taskmanager so your sneaky scan-software doesnt ban me.

Like I hope there is not an instance where someone got banned because he opened the game but NEVER used a macro, but had one of those programm open in the background and DE's scanner detected it anyway and banned him. hope they are not doing that S#&$.

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On 2021-05-21 at 1:04 AM, Stormwind81 said:

In a time where automation is the driving force in the software industry and all manufacturers of mouse and keyboard are bringing their own macro-software pre-installed when installing the drivers, a company has very strict rules of you are not allowed of any of that.

I mean, to each their own. Let them have such tryhard rules. But dont force me to close all those programms  in the taskmanager so your sneaky scan-software doesnt ban me.

Like I hope there is not an instance where someone got banned because he opened the game but NEVER used a macro, but had one of those programm open in the background and DE's scanner detected it anyway and banned him. hope they are not doing that S#&$.

First of all, there's no "strict, tryhard rules". At least, not by DE and for Warframe. If it's not used for cheating, exploiting or AFK farming, it's usually tolerated. Says so in the original post on the first page.

Only because some players like to push automating their gameplay to the limit of what's allowed, the line is thick and blurry. If someone gets banned, they probably overdid it. Most likely with an auto-repeat macro. But I don't think anyone ever got banned for a "cast Octavia's invisibility and equip a fishing pole" macro.

Edit: I'm running Logitech software and some single-button actions are bound as non-repeat macros to my mouse. Been using it for years.
One of my friends occasionaly even uses an auto-repeat melee macro, but he knows it's a risk and doesn't abuse it for long.

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vor 3 Stunden schrieb Uthael:

First of all, there's no "strict, tryhard rules". At least, not by DE and for Warframe. 

lol, you made me laugh so I give you that.


We have no clue who gets banned and for what. You are just making blatant assumptions of who might get banned. But they never state which software in detail is bannable and which offense in detail overdid it except some few cases who really went rage mode with it. Its a guessing game for everyone who is using any 3rd party software. Why they hide it I can also only guess.
Either because they want to hide how butchery their macro-search-software is or how many negative-positive triggers they get and how they have to judge manually anyway from case to case. If you know which software is blacklisted and not allowed I at least can uninstall it and not risk getting banned just because I have it installed.
My other guess is, they software doesnt work properly, so by posting what macro isn't allowed, they fear others might start using it and they cant do anything about it. 


Still, as a user, my opinion is, they can protect their product as long as it doesnt interfere whit how I use my PC.

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No software is illegal as long as you're not tinkering with game's files or memory.

I think it's about key presses and delays between them that get sent to the server. Same data they use to see where you're going and what you're shooting at. If you're spamming the same thing over and over at same intervals, that's a macro. A bot detects a pattern and records it. If it happens a lot - a moderator gets notified and sees all the recorded patterns for your account. They have no need for any software but the base game on your end.

Edit: Some hardware (like my mouse) can memorize macros. Just plug it into any USB and press the button on the side of the mouse. Viola!
Intricate combos without any need for any software at all.

P.S.: Not recommending that. Being unable to interrupt a combo can get you downed.
P.P.S.: These are all my assumptions from playing the game for over 2500h, watching some devstreams and YouTubers' complaining.

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If you don't automate physically-uncomfortable keystroke sequences, you are giving yourself arthritis and carpal tunnel, full stop. Conservative automation & macro use is a matter of health and wellness.

That being said, you don't need software to do it. Programmable gaming keyboards & mice exist. The hardware solution is by far the best - and the least objectionable.

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