Was i in the wrong here for using Limbo?

[JackHargreav]

Play with whatever you want. 

As long as you get the job done, no one has the right to complain.

Btw I can't understand the dedicated hatred against limbo. He can make make the defense target invulnerable and stop the enemies from moving while he regenerates energy. How can you hate that?

[RunningChaos]

On 2019-06-30 at 11:34 AM, Nordgaard said:

Just finished a Infested excavation, with 3 other randoms, 1 limbo (me) and 3 other frost players. i have a decent amount of range on my 4 ( the ability that i used) The other frost players also used their defensive abilities.

Was i in the wrong here by using my warframe like this? or was he in the wrong by threatening to report me for what i assumed was the normal way to play the game.   

I included the chat from the game in the images ( )

If you play Limbo with high range, just deactivate your Stasis and let enemies into your Cataclysm and activate it again when they are near. Works for me and no complaints, so far.

[Uber.Munchkin]

Play whatever you want dude.  

I would suggest though that building Limbo for high range is not really the best use of his abilities if you are intending to play defensively. A better build might be to go for max duration and a tiny bit of Range, that way the area you are dumping into the Rift is smaller and more controlled, you've got a good duration to keep things trapped for a long period of time and you're not creating a massive obstacle for your team mates.

Limbo is one of the best defensive frames in the game but he requires a tiny bit of thought by other people on your team so the majority just hate on him.

[Kyronz]

only griefers use limbos in pugs.   you got to ruin play for 3 other teammates...surely that was not an accident.

limbo is a great frame, can solo and also rule in a pre-made  group, but no decent person brings one to a pug.

[Psianide73]

On 2019-06-30 at 11:55 AM, (PS4)joehan1287 said:

The Problem with a short range Limbo in Infested excavation is that for sometime there is a Bug where Mutalist Osprey Carriers can shot the excavator so you need a big cataclysm so the carriers are getting statist so they don't shoot.

I'd rather just keep an eye out for the ospreys and stick with a short range cata.

[Diavoros]

For excavation you want a mid range cataclysm, just a bit above base range so doesn't stop carriers too far away from the drills and isn't too tight at the beginning making it too small as time goes on.

[kgabor]

On 2019-06-30 at 11:34 AM, Nordgaard said:

Just finished a Infested excavation, with 3 other randoms, 1 limbo (me) and 3 other frost players. i have a decent amount of range on my 4 ( the ability that i used) The other frost players also used their defensive abilities.

Was i in the wrong here by using my warframe like this? or was he in the wrong by threatening to report me for what i assumed was the normal way to play the game.   

I included the chat from the game in the images ( )

I think it's the best possible meta setup for Infested Excavation as long as the Frosts know how to use their 4. ability and have a good enough range and ability strength.

Pretty boring though, but you can basically go on forever with this setup.

[bibmobello]

On 2019-06-30 at 11:55 AM, (XB1)Cubic Clem said:

They told you that they can't destroy the arbitration drones so yes, you were in the wrong because your behavior was malicious.

You can destroy them, just use your operator...

[Lutesque]

9 minutes ago, bibmobello said:

You can destroy them, just use your operator...

They're too tanky for that.....

Also I believe The Drones can't cross Cataclysm's Thresh Hold..... am in thinking of Gara's Ring ? 

In any case if you're limbo you can Rift Surge Any Enemiez in your Cataclasm not under te Drones influence and then manually deactivate Cataclysm..... this will banish the Rift Surged Enemies and allow everyone to kill the drones normally. 

Once its gone just recast Cataclysm....

Try to do this before any other enemies catchup...

[lukasystem]

The basics for Limbo are: don't go high range against Corpus, as nulls will just cut down your usefullnes to 0, it is fine to use high-range against Grineer or Infested since they are just as tryhards. 

NEVER use limbo's 3 unless you're solo and can just go directly into rift and kill whatever.

If you were doing Arbitration.... well, you are on tight-spot since drones can just come into the whole pack and force your cataclysm out and kill it or use operator, if you can deal with the drones quickly. then there's no complain.

If you just straitgh up went and 4-3 the whole thing, then there's enough reason to hate that behavior.

[kubbi]

For a normal excavation mission Limbo is ok depending the person knows what he's doing. On a arbitration however you cannot kill the drones inside cataclysm and have to rely on operator so that can be pretty iffy. Not that Frost is so great with infested excavation. I'd recommend Khora.

[(PSN)Midcall]

Am 30.6.2019 um 15:21 schrieb MystMan:

Frost, Limbo, Gara, Khora are ALL good choices for infested excavation arbitration.  

It all comes down to the judgement, modding, skills and build experience of the players who use them.  I have done plenty of these runs in pub with various degrees of results.  
Regardless of which defensive frames they bring, in a group of skilled players you will reach 20 excavators without one being destroyed. If a team has at least 2 of such defensive frames used by skilled prepared players, you can easily have 2 excavators running at all times. The other 2 players can be worthless Inaros for all I care, they just end up being carried as usual. (seriously, Inaros is a terrible choice for excavation. His kit is meant for self-preservation, not protection).

I 100% use Frost for this mission (because of the Mutalist ospreys' guns), so far my excavators never get destroyed. 145% range with chilling globe augment and I stay inside of it shooting everything that approaches me with my gas ignis. The backbone of the infested swarm is weak against that.  The heavy units are weak against corrosive/blast, I got my kitgun modded for that.

In a group on unskilled players, what I often see happening is they bring weak weapons / modded incorrectly resulting in them taking forever to kill enemies, allowing themselves to get swarmed. Or their reaction time is just slow. Or they can't prioritize properly. Or they focus on the enemies by running far outside their protective barrier and lose focus from the excavator allowing it to be destroyed / getting themselves killed.

Against the drones, Magus Lockdown is a must. It works on the drone and the enemies it protects, giving you enough time to safely shoot the drone.

As for the Limbo cataclysm, operator amp can damage the drones inside the bubble, so bring a powerful amp. An error I have noticed is that people believe that the enemy protected by the drones can kill you / damage the excavator inside the bubble.  They don't.  They are still outside the rift, the drone simply allows them to move inside and nothing else. You and the excavator are still safe from their attacks. Go in operator mode and destroy the drone and if any enemy survives its destruction, they will be instantly frozen by Limbo's Stasis.

The times I ended up in groups that had skilled Limbo players, they made the whole mission oh-so-easy. They modded it for high range/duration, killed off the frozen enemies efficiently and had enough time left to safely recast Cataclysm before it became too small.

even as mr 27 with 3000h i learned quite a few things from your post. thanks.

[K4RN4]

23 hours ago, (PS4)CommanderC2121 said:

Hell, Vauban is better at infested excavation then frost

[Gamalahalaf]

Let me get this right.

On 2019-06-30 at 12:34 PM, Nordgaard said:

Infested excavation

That contains infested...

On 2019-06-30 at 12:34 PM, Nordgaard said:

1 limbo (me) and 3 other frost players

So 1 player with useful frame and 3 with useless frames.

On 2019-06-30 at 12:34 PM, Nordgaard said:

Was i in the wrong here by using my warframe like this? or was he in the wrong by threatening to report me for what i assumed was the normal way to play the game.

You were absolutely right when you picked one of the best frames for this type of missions. And they were wrong not only by basis that their frames are mostly useless vs infested but also because limbo doesn't even stop players from completing objective in excavation mission. 

P.S. Don't take this the wrong way frost players, you are somewhat if you have the augment but...  Also you don't need max range but max duration limbo for most effect. I find that about 150 rage with max duration works fine vs all factions, but this is somewhat personal preference. 

I want to edit this somewhat that I would like to say that combo of frost AND limbo is of course much better than only limbo, since then you have more layers of defense between enemy and the drill.

Edited July 2, 2019 by Gamalahalaf

[(PSN)joehan1287]

It seems like many people didn't use Limbo for Infested excavation in the past few month because at the moment there is a bug where the osprey batterie carriers can shot the excavator even if he is in the rift. So in arbitration there has to be only one drone that protects the carrier and the excavator gets destroyed. In OPs case that didn't happened because there was a frost that protected the excavator.

[kgabor]

2 hours ago, (PS4)joehan1287 said:

It seems like many people didn't use Limbo for Infested excavation in the past few month because at the moment there is a bug where the osprey batterie carriers can shot the excavator even if he is in the rift.

It's an old bug, if you mean the carriers's explosion going through the Rift when they die.

Limbo can also sometimes take damage from outside the Rift in other mission types from non-banished enemies, but that's somewhat rare.

But just carriers shooting through it?

I think i've seen that too a while ago, not just with Rift, but with Frost Globes and Gara's Mass Vitrify iirc., probably the combination of a texture glitch and a visual glitch when the projectiles are shot.

[(PSN)deathwolfclaw666]

18 hours ago, Lutesque said:

They're too tanky for that.....

Also I believe The Drones can't cross Cataclysm's Thresh Hold..... am in thinking of Gara's Ring ? 

If your AMP really sucks then I can see them being too tanky. But with a good AMP they tend to be easy until really high levels. The main issue is when too many mobs are in the way stopping you from getting to the drones.

As for Cataclysm, drones pass right through it.  

[Dthamilaye]

On 2019-07-01 at 2:09 AM, Phoenix42Lord42 said:

Skimmed through a few responses but here's my opinion:

Limbo can easily be seen as a troll frame and will always be seen as one due to the fact that he puts enemies in a rift that only he can damage. Yeah, his 4 also puts you in rift and enemies allowing you to damage them, but you can't damage enemies outside of rift which can be very annoying. As a person that refuses to play with a Limbo, this is probably the most unbalanced and retarded thing that DE could have put on a Warframe. 

If you want to play Limbo, I'd recommend doing it with friends or solo. Otherwise, hope you get a game that your squad is fine with dealing with Limbo

Limbo is one of the strongest, if not the strongest frame to have in any grineer/infested defence type mission. Better than Gara or Frost. However, I do not have much experience for Arbitrations and the Arbitration drones. It seems that the operator trick might do it up to a point, but amps do not scale where normal weapons do. And of course you need to be aware that mobile defence data console inserts and such do not work if you put your 4 up too early.

Anyways, yes, players can not damage enemies outside the rift with normal weapons. However, pair your limbo with a Mesa friend, and go to town. Warframe ABILITIES do damage enemies in and outside the rift, so just hit your 4+2 with limbo and then stand in it with mesa using 4 when enemies have piled up, then cool down for a moment and take in the (very high) extra energy regeneration provided by the limbo bubble, and then hit 4 again when enough mass is stuck/outside bubble.

You can probably use other frames as well, but Mesa is one of the best damage dealers, so having the "Strongest" defender paired with "Strongest" (ability) damage dealer kinda combos well :). 

Just the normal dash-rifting with Limbo is useful for running around gathering loot (with sentinel/vacuum) which you get when you step into your bubble, or reviving (although Operators do this easily as well nowadays), or just getting somewhere without damage. You can easily make your whole group invulnerable if they follow you through the rift, if you need to move somewhere.

Yeah, I'm a Limbo/Mesa fanboy :). 

[Lutesque]

2 hours ago, (PS4)deathwolfclaw666 said:

If your AMP really sucks then I can see them being too tanky. But with a good AMP they tend to be easy until really high levels. The main issue is when too many mobs are in the way stopping you from getting to the drones.

As for Cataclysm, drones pass right through it.  

All Amps Suck.... because they are Amps....

Can the drones be destroyed by your amp during early levels ? Sure I guess but during the beginning they aren't bothersome to begin with.... you can kill them with Any weapon....

 

[(PSN)deathwolfclaw666]

7 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

All Amps Suck.... because they are Amps....

I'd have to disagree. Sure if you make a bad Amp it will suck, however if you make a good Amp it can be reliable.

12 minutes ago, Lutesque said:

Can the drones be destroyed by your amp during early levels ? Sure I guess but during the beginning they aren't bothersome to begin with.... you can kill them with Any weapon....

I think the main question here is what are we calling early levels? I haven't tried my new Amp on Albatration but with the old one it was able to destroy the drones with ease even after an hour in.

[Lutesque]

3 minutes ago, (PS4)deathwolfclaw666 said:

I'd have to disagree. Sure if you make a bad Amp it will suck, however if you make a good Amp it can be reliable

I have a variety of Amps... they are all rubbish.... even the ones that one shot Armored Enemies up to level 35....

5 minutes ago, (PS4)deathwolfclaw666 said:

I'd have to disagree. Sure if you make a bad Amp it will suck, however if you make a good Amp it can be reliable.

I think the main question here is what are we calling early levels? I haven't tried my new Amp on Albatration but with the old one it was able to destroy the drones with ease even after an hour in.

The first Three Rotations Obviously....

[Zelmen]

4 hours ago, Dthamilaye said:

Limbo is one of the strongest, if not the strongest frame to have in any grineer/infested defence type mission.

Going to disagree with that comment. Frost is the best for static defense and Limbo banish spec is best for NPC defense. Defense has two objectives in order to complete the mission (or waves).

1) Don't let the target die
2) Defeat all incoming enemies

While Limbo is good at #1 it makes #2 very difficult in most cases. At higher level the whole popping bubble to do damage falls off. So now its just a defense skill. Too many people want to max out the range and freeze with stasis leading to enemies getting stuck far away from the target. This turns a 5 min mission into a 10+. 

Frost on the other hand can recast and increase the health of the bubble without having downtime. On top of that the bubble gets invulnerable after casting.

Frost is the best for static defense and Limbo banish spec is best for NPC defense. As someone who really does not like playing with Limbos I will admit in the right spec and mission they can be OP.

Limbo OP Moments:

1. Banish Rescue target
2. Banish Defense NPC

Ones I don't recommend due to reason above but will acknowledge is possible with the right spec:

1. Min range + max dur for excavation bubble, defense, and mobile defense missions so enemies get close enough to kill and not interfere with others
2. Survival / defection med range + max dur IF you have a party member that CAN dps through the bubble

 

For anyone who brings limbo on assassinate, exterminate... 99% of the time they are just leaching. Nothing in your kit makes killing easier or faster.

[(PSN)CommanderC2121]

23 hours ago, K4RN4 said:

Hold your horses, doesnt mean im playing vauban a lot, but i will fight for his mild usefulness. I do use him for the “no damage to pods” riven at times even. 

[Lutesque]

10 hours ago, Zelmen said:

Going to disagree with that comment. Frost is the best for static defense

Its Actually Gara....

Frost's Bubble is still intrusive in normal defense missions....

Frost is best for Long Enderuance runs.... but Overall Gara is better for Everything else except Radiation Hazards and Thermia Fractures....

 

[Learicorn]

yes because he makes the game boring

delete limbo