[SPOILER ALERT] Does the Lotus could be an amalgam?

[Physio7]

Well, with the new update of Jupiter, we now more stuff about the sentients, and now they can be merged with live people. So when we play the Chimera prologe, we see a resurrected Ballas, merged with sentient parts, an Amalgam... but we killed him, so how is it possible.

 

So I was wondering if maybe to create an amalgam you need a corpse, Natah transformed the Ballas corpse into an amalgam, so maybe Ballas did the same thing in the past. As Natah says when we are fighting with the ropalolyst, she was imprisoned in the moon. This is possible cause Ballas had a negotiation with Hunhow as the vitruvian shows, the deal was to send information about the tenno in exchange for his daughter, Natah. So when she arrived to Lua, Ballas sended the moon inside the void, and Natah were imprissioned there. So Ballas captured her and erased all her memory and used the corpse of Margullis to merge it with Natah, creating the first amalgam. Ballas hated his own race, the Orokin, so he used the worst enemy of the orokin against them, with Margullis corpse resurrected as  revenge.

 

In conclusion, Ballas created an amalgam with Natah to "resurrect" his wife Margullis, and he used the Lotus to take revenge on the orokin. But when Natah recover her mind, she carry the corpse of Ballas, and she takes revenge on him, doing him the same thing, she transform Ballas into an amalgam.

 

Natah quote in the Ropalolyst battle: -But when I saw their tender faces, I took mercy, or so they were told, but in truth, we were both imprissioned in Lua's belly, I became a memory, a ghost, they programmed me to destroy my family, my people, my history.

-But have you forgotten Lua? You were saved but I, I was changed.-

So here Natah says how she was imprisoned in Lua and then Ballas turned her in an amalgam. Why Ballas?, Cause he was the only person that knowed where was the Margullis corpse to create her amalgam.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7
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[Firetempest]

" They opened the chamber door just in time for me too see it happen; the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore. "

Also assuming Ballas was dead and not just "dying".

chimara Ballas: Love must die--  --As Margulis did... when I sent her to the Jade light. And the Lotus... just some cloud in the sky, just some shape they imagined. Only the Sentient is real.

Only Natah.

Mental conditioning to think you're someone does not mean they were actually once the other person.

Spoiler

 

Edited July 4, 2019 by Firetempest

[Loza03]

We have to keep in mind that Lotus has confirmed that not only is mind control involved, but that she was actively 'saved' by her family.

There's just as much chance that she's being brainwashed into thinking she was brainwashed and now free, especially considering Hunhow's dialogue in 'the Natah quest. "They will try to reclaim you."

 

We can't currently trust anything that Natah/Lotus is saying, basically.

[(PSN)IndianChiefJeff]

Err...What?

Lotus is a Sentient Mimic, nothing amalgamated about her whatsoever. While the Sentients are of Orokin creation, Amalgams are the result of Alad V tampering with the remains of fallen Sentients and fusing them with Corpus tech. Lotus merely adopted the visage & personality of Margulis after the latter's demise in order to enact Hunhow's plan, and we all know how that turned out.

[Physio7]

2 hours ago, Firetempest said:

" They opened the chamber door just in time for me too see it happen; the Archimedian erupting into a flash, jade-like and blinding. I knew her. She was the greatest scholar of genetics who ever lived. Except now she was nothing but mist and gore. "

Also assuming Ballas was dead and not just "dying".

chimara Ballas: Love must die--  --As Margulis did... when I sent her to the Jade light. And the Lotus... just some cloud in the sky, just some shape they imagined. Only the Sentient is real.

Only Natah.

Mental conditioning to think you're someone does not mean they were actually once the other person.

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Well at first btw in the game there have not show us how is the Jade Light, in the codex its descripted as a green laser, of course its so probable that the corpse just vanished in a red dust. But btw we don't know how to create an amalgam, maybe just you need some of the person that died, maybe his corpse, maybe his blood, or genetic code, idk, btw, DE has not explain us how is created an amalgam, but its so possible that it needs something that died, as happended with ballas, and that's a good clue. The codex entry just explains how the Archimedian was executed, but just for vanished a corpse, it doesnt means that he couldnt create an amalgam. Later, in the Chimera prologue we see Ballas as an amalgam. It's important to remember that Natah could see trought the Ballas eyes. Overall, i think that maybe the sentients are looking for a way to breed, maybe if they turn into amalgams they could try to breed and create more sentiens.  Also the way Natah describes the Ropalolyst when it dies is: "My other flesh", i dont think it could be her son/daughter but its interesting. What im trying to say is that Natah could see trought sentients and maybe amalgams too, as she is a princess, the Sentient princess. Or better said, the daughter of the sentient leaders.

 

The another thing is, if he knowed she was just the sentient, why does he call her Margullis. Maybe it just was cause his lust to her, but finally, he free her from the lua's prission and they go to an unknow place trought a portal.  About Ballas is so so possible that he died. The warframes, perfect killing machines that he designed with Margullis, and the rage of the Umbra on Ballas, I doubt Umbra allowed Ballas to still alive, after he tortured him over and over again, remembering when he was brain-controlled by Ballas to kill his son Isaah.

 

And the oficial way that we could know he died is in the Chimera prologue: The Orokin is revealed to be Sentient-turned and is mourning for the loss of his narcissistically beautiful Orokin body all while cursing the Lotus for her deception, by stealing his perfect death https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ballas

So it is possible that what Ballas were saying us is that he died, but Natah used his dead corpse and turned him into an amalgam.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7

[Physio7]

1 hour ago, (PS4)IndianChiefJeff said:

Err...What?

Lotus is a Sentient Mimic, nothing amalgamated about her whatsoever. While the Sentients are of Orokin creation, Amalgams are the result of Alad V tampering with the remains of fallen Sentients and fusing them with Corpus tech. Lotus merely adopted the visage & personality of Margulis after the latter's demise in order to enact Hunhow's plan, and we all know how that turned out.

I don't doubt it, but the fact is that Ballas was turned into an amalgam just before Alad V started to created them.

 

And it's so possible that ballas knowed more about how to create amalgams before Alad V,as the wiki says (Trivia) Chronologically, the first Amalgam introduced was Ballas during the events of Chimera Prologue, transformed into an Orokin-Sentient hybrid https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Amalgam

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7

[Physio7]

Another interesing quote of Natah is: Drifting, gaunt beyond the bleak star, Mother, I am coming home. Maybe she refers she is gaunt? cause maybe she was turned into an amalgam? Of course, all of this is my guess, maybe she is refearing about her mind, whatever.

 

 

Or maybe it's y mistake. My language is spanish, so literally what she said in my language is: I'm withered or decayed as the bleak star : A la deriva, más demacrada que la desolada estrella, madre, voy camino a casa.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7

[Physio7]

49 minutes ago, (PS4)IndianChiefJeff said:

Err...What?

Lotus is a Sentient Mimic, nothing amalgamated about her whatsoever. While the Sentients are of Orokin creation, Amalgams are the result of Alad V tampering with the remains of fallen Sentients and fusing them with Corpus tech. Lotus merely adopted the visage & personality of Margulis after the latter's demise in order to enact Hunhow's plan, and we all know how that turned out.

Of course she is a mimic, as she is more powerful than the rest of sentients, as she is the daughter of the sentient leaders, but if she really is, why does she still showing the margulis face?. Maybe she was turned into an amalgam but she still having her mimic powers, or maybe all happened after the apostasy prologue. Where did Ballas and Natah went after that?, maybe they wanted to turn them both into amalgams to could have descendants, maybe is the only way that have the sentients to have descendants and children, who knows.

 

Of course, all of this is just a theory, as I said in the post title: the possible origin of lotus, Maybe the Natah mind was erased and she turned into the physical form of Margulis as she haves that mimic ability, but I still wondering why turn Ballas into an amalgam, if he died, and why Natah still showing the Margulis face.

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7

[Physio7]

In conclussion, I know that Natah probably just was programmed to simulate the mind and body of Margulis, and it's so possible that it was like that. But we can't deny that Natah is not like the rest of sentients. She still showing the Margulis face, maybe cause her mind is confused, or maybe cause she is an amalgam. Natah said too that she is gaunt, also it could be cause her mind or cause she was turned into an aberration for her kin, an amalgam. But they are experimenting with that, a mix of sentient and a human, they want to be mixed with the golden lords, as she said in the ropalolyst battle, and an amalgam can be manipuled by Natah, as she did with Ballas, she can see through his sight. So, they want to multiply an army of sentiens or better said an amalgams, cause the sentients cant proliferate, but maybe the amalgams can.

 

The last thing. Really do you not see her as an....amalgam? 

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7

[Physio7]

2 hours ago, Loza03 said:

We have to keep in mind that Lotus has confirmed that not only is mind control involved, but that she was actively 'saved' by her family.

There's just as much chance that she's being brainwashed into thinking she was brainwashed and now free, especially considering Hunhow's dialogue in 'the Natah quest. "They will try to reclaim you."

 

We can't currently trust anything that Natah/Lotus is saying, basically.

That's true, really was she brainwashed or does she were brainwashed recently to think she was? Good answer 😄

 

Waw and... what if they did the same to Ballas, what if Ballas didn't transformed Natah, what if he was the one that was brainwashed by Natah and then she used a familiar shape to can control the Tenno when she discovered they in Lua, as if she were their mother, to can use the void power, that special power that she cant use.

 

Lol, just joking, but yeah, it's so possible that right now she is being controlled by her family, in the wiki says: (Natah) Hunhow warns her that the others of its kind have not taken kindly to her betrayal, and will attempt to bring her back into the fold. https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Lotus

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7

[HugintheCrow]

@Physio7 Your comments here remind me of people who believe in conspiracy theories. You got disproved, but you like your idea too much and can't let it go.

[Physio7]

8 hours ago, HugintheCrow said:

@Physio7 Your comments here remind me of people who believe in conspiracy theories. You got disproved, but you like your idea too much and can't let it go.

Lol, yes, it's so likely. (Illuminati confirmed warframe version) In fact, in my opinion i want to say that I think it's not very probable that Lotus could be an amalgam, but it is something like: what if? IDK, The fact is that I find the amalgam concept very interesting, so, idk if we know who created the first amalgam, it could be the Lotus or maybe not. But it is true that Ballas died as he said us, and Natah turned him into an amalgam. Later Natah commanded Alad V to create Corpus amalgams, the wolf of Saturn 6 haves some grineer amalgams too. And Natah can see trought the Ballas sight, so it's so probable that she haves control of the amalgams. 

 

So I'm not stating that Lotus is an amalgam, i'm saying how could be possible, what is the possibility that she could be an amalgam. But i dont think she is one. But we have to admit that it's curious why Natah still showing the Margullis face. Just that, I dont want to you to believe that, god :0

Edited July 4, 2019 by Physio7

[Physio7]

[HugintheCrow]

20 minutes ago, Physio7 said:

Lol, yes, it's so likely. (Illuminati confirmed warframe version) In fact, in my opinion i want to say that I think it's not very probable that Lotus could be an amalgam, but it is something like: what if? IDK, The fact is that I find the amalgam concept very interesting, so, idk if we know who created the first amalgam, it could be the Lotus or maybe not. But it is true that Ballas died as he said us, and Natah turned him into an amalgam. Later Natah commanded Alad V to create Corpus amalgams, the wolf of Saturn 6 haves some grineer amalgams too. And Natah can see trought the Ballas sight, so it's so probable that she haves control of the amalgams. 

 

So I'm not stating that Lotus is an amalgam, i'm saying how could be possible, what is the possibility that she could be an amalgam. But i dont think she is one. But we have to admit that it's curious why Natah still showing the Margullis face. Just that, I dont want to you to believe that, god :0

Oh, sorry, you got my message too literally. Didn't mean to imply you are literally as ridiculous as people who believe in conspiracies.

[Physio7]

1 minute ago, HugintheCrow said:

Oh, sorry, you got my message too literally. Didn't mean to imply you are literally as ridiculous as people who believe in conspiracies.

Nah, dont worries, In fact i think I have a big error when i wrote the tittle of this thread: The possible origin of the lotus amalgam, I think I should wrote: Does the Lotus could be an amalgam?  Im gonna try to change it right now.