Oreades Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 22 minutes ago, Kaizal said: Oh really, pub is over there? So every time anyone gets an incompetent squad on any game mode, the real solution is "just go into recruit chat", even if the gamemode being flawed is what actually makes you get stupidly useless squads in the first place. Yup, it continues to perplex me that this concept is somehow exceedingly foreign to people. "Hey I just clicked to join a random group but I don't like the group I got, better complain on the forums" 22 minutes ago, Kaizal said: Yeah sure, because its there is so much important usefulness to bring to the table, when the DPS already can survive by itself, make all the dps by itself, and do it with the energy it can provide itself(wich by the way, its easy to be at maximum energy at all times with a saryn solo). Also if you don't want to hear it, you might aswell just not read after the point you didn't wanna read it, easier than posting saying you didn't wanted to read. Naaaah I'm gonna read your thing cause I find it amusing. Especially the part where you simultaneously confirm with one breath that "I literally don't need my team" while crying in the next that "my team is leeching". Sorry if I have little to absolutely zero sympathy for people who choose a room clearing DPS frame and then whine that the rest of the teams dps wasn't high enough..... literally the reason we don't have in game reporting. As it so happens I just ran two Eidolon runs (god knows why) a few hours ago and bounced between ~60 to 80% of our damage..... does that mean that the rest of my team was leeching.... nah more like I was bogarting all the DPS. They where all in attendance, no one was sitting near the gate, no one was off fishing/mining. So as far as I'm concerned everything was gravy. No point in whining when people are at least trying. 22 minutes ago, Kaizal said: You can label DPS as braindead, or however you like, doesn't change the fact that if you're not doing any DPS in a public squad, you're being as useless as a teammate gets. Also weapon DPS comes nowhere near close to what a wide area Warframe DPS can output, so don't act like it really comes into the picture.` Oh it is braindead, try playing an actual decent support frame some time, god knows I wouldn't. Especially with all the shortsighted flak that they take for not being OMGWTFBBQ high DPS. Particularly by people who view DPS as the end all be all of contribution. 22 minutes ago, Kaizal said: Also you asked for evidentiary evidence, which of my claims actually needs evidence? Everything.....Like literally all you said was They had the audacity to play as a Trinity They brought a Rank Zero weapon *shocked face* That tells the class virtually nothing, it's missing pretty much every bit of important context. Oh the number of times I've joined Hydron with my Speedva with not but a single weapon. Am I high on the teams DPS breakdown..... surprisingly more often than I feel I should be but not always. Maybe thats why I'm not apposed to paying it forward from time to time? 22 minutes ago, Kaizal said: Also you brought up the button, not me, is almost like youre being defensive to things I didn't ever really say. Maybe cause I'd actually like a report button in game for the few instances where I've had people actually leech so far as to be a detriment to the mission but know it's never going to happen because people are incapable of identifying actual leeching behavior, case in point. Even assuming that they where actually strait up leeching in a manor that was either egregiously blatant or actually detrimental to your mission, you completely failed to mount any argument to that effect let alone a convincing one. I dunno maybe playing long enough has mellowed me to the point that all I ever expect from a pub is for them to show up to the party and at least try to shoot something in the face maybe. Honestly a bit surprised at your rank that you haven't cued into the fact that in Warframe you are generally carried or you carry, there are very few instances where it is equal contribution across the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuChulainnWD Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Kaizal, you're complaining about one single game mode out of many. ESO is about maintaining efficiency on a hyper depreciating clock. There is a time and a place for just about every warframe to shine. Saryn, The Queen of Death shines in ESO. She operates far better singularly, soloing the DPS role than sharing it with a Volt or and Equinox. Kinda like how we used to gain fast affinity to level weapons etc before the changes. When I play Saryn, I use one or two squirts of spores, then go ham with Toxic lash, and melee the snot out of the enemies. It is not hard to maintain an S rating that way, and everyone can participate in spreading the sporie goodness. Regularly after 8 rounds it is nothing to come out with 3.5-4K worth of kills. That said I do not give a crap about kill count other than the fact for everyone, they can enjoy focus farming, and others can leech the affinity efficiently to rank up weapons fast. Old school WF etiquette was everyone would at least stay the 20 waves, or what is 8 now regardless if their weapon or frame was complete, so that everyone could still enjoy the Tenno Affinity boost and spawn rate. Today it is nothing to see pug groups, have people drop after wave 2. There is always at least one. It's like people have lost that part of the community spirit. We all lift together. Why worry about what other people are doing? Instead worry about what you bring to the table. If you've ended up carrying the team in ESO and maintained a great S score, why not give yourself a reach around your shoulder and a pat on the back, complete with an Atta boy? Instead of worrying about what a Trinity is doing with a rank 0 weapon. I guarantee you that trin is keeping energy levels up for the DPS. As you have not mentioned what frame you were using, most likely not Saryn, then why are you complaining about contribution as yours would be negligible in comparison to Saryn, Volt or Equinox. People would be foolish not to take advantage of the affinity to be gained in the efficiency market of ESO. As I said, ESO is but one mode in many in Warframe. DPS frames are just about useless in Arbitrations, where tank frames shine. If you don't like how the ESO is played, change the way YOU play, or make your own group. The game works, sure it has its flaws, but you are worrying about something so TRIVIAL, it is sad. You've been playing for less than 2 years, and it shows you still do not appreciate the mechanics of the game, and why things are the way they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartan336 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I love the mountains of text that form at the back of these threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaoticEdge Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 2 type leechers, 1 that is passive and just follow players behind and 1 who goes afk like the in PoE/Solaris area which I do agree on about ppl who go afk in PoE/Solaris but only certain of time how long they been doing it. The one who is being passive and just leeching, at least you get me up when I am down then pretty much I will get you up when you are down for neutral benefits agreement there, if you don't get me up while I am down, I will make sure I'll drag you down getting closer to the enemies's firing guns or drawing them towards you so you can be killed while in the process. I do this a lot of time in video game killing floor 1-2, if you don't use neutral benefits with me and want self benefits then I'll won't freaking heal your #$$ for I will bring the zeds/ zed boss towards you and as he gets good firing line up towards you so you'll be murdered by the boss or zeds. My retaliation button MF. If you ask me do I have retaliation button in warframe for that is yes I do as always. Edited July 6, 2019 by ChaoticEdge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) Leech in ESO? Tell that to all those Volts and Saryns (rank 30! with unranked weapons) on Hydron when I end up carrying them as Trinity (not Castanuke because you can no longer do that, what a sad day) with a 6 Forma Unranked gun. I don't complain though, since it's pubs and I intended to you know, get some free exp. So it is kind of karmic, although I can't say I enjoy it. At least in ESO these "leeches" are helping you increase spawns so Saryn's spore does not just die out and can ramp fast. On Hydron, those leeching Volts and Saryns literally need you to keep whining at them until they finally are willing to Discharge/Spore. Yes, they are literally Discharge Volts and Spore Saryns. NOT melee Volt or melee Saryn Edited July 6, 2019 by Guest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuChulainnWD Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Spartan336 said: I love the mountains of text that form at the back of these threads. You'd get more out of reading a novel. Edited July 6, 2019 by CuChulainnWD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatternistSlave Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 On 2019-07-04 at 4:14 PM, Kaizal said: When did leeching become so normal around ESO, and so accepted? Like people for real, going into ESO with Trinity and a rank 0 weapon? its like they don't even care about pretending they wanna be useful to the squad. Ill be concise, if you do this kind of things, pls stop, bring a DPS Warframe and try and help. Also if you see this behavior just quit and look for another squad, don't incentivize those A******s nor waste your time giving them xp. A Trinity isn't useful to a squad? How about you try playing the game for more than a week before you decide to start criticizing the gameplay of others. That goes for all the rest of you upset by "leechers". If you're not bringing a frame that can solo to round 8 that's your problem. Anyone who's played ESO on public any reasonable amount knows it's a requirement because even the most tryhard rarely stay past round 5 or so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutesque Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 4 hours ago, Kaizal said: I'm honestly happy it doesn't bother you, that you can recognize it without getting pissed off, but I still think its a problem, whether that problem directly impacts you or not. Take the hema for example, i'm not as annoyed as I once was by it, but I still think the costs are BS. Also i'm completely the other way around, if I go pub, and I want to get to 8 for sure, I bring a frame that I know can do that regardless of whichever team I get. This is True.... 😞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwlingo Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 On 2019-07-04 at 3:14 PM, Kaizal said: going into ESO with Trinity and a rank 0 weapon Trinity can helps lots with the team healing and energy to keep spamming Saryn, Mesa, Equinox, and all frames abilities. 🙂 Id rather have Trinity than a Atlas for ESO ahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaleara Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Also, just to add. My rank 0 weapon is basically a rank 20 weapon....sooooo. The only time MR matters haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_PPS Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Why should this be an issue? There are always players doing ESO just to get XP and another X mission just to get other stuff quick. If you want to do a complete 8 zones of ESO, you need to hire or join a squad that wants to do 8 zones. It’s good for you if you can carry the entire squad. There are many players wanting to nerf your gears, frames, weapons because you are too powerful and steal too many kills from them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_PPS Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, CuChulainnWD said: Kaizal, you're complaining about one single game mode out of many. ESO is about maintaining efficiency on a hyper depreciating clock. There is a time and a place for just about every warframe to shine. Saryn, The Queen of Death shines in ESO. She operates far better singularly, soloing the DPS role than sharing it with a Volt or and Equinox. Kinda like how we used to gain fast affinity to level weapons etc before the changes. When I play Saryn, I use one or two squirts of spores, then go ham with Toxic lash, and melee the snot out of the enemies. It is not hard to maintain an S rating that way, and everyone can participate in spreading the sporie goodness. Regularly after 8 rounds it is nothing to come out with 3.5-4K worth of kills. That said I do not give a crap about kill count other than the fact for everyone, they can enjoy focus farming, and others can leech the affinity efficiently to rank up weapons fast. Old school WF etiquette was everyone would at least stay the 20 waves, or what is 8 now regardless if their weapon or frame was complete, so that everyone could still enjoy the Tenno Affinity boost and spawn rate. Today it is nothing to see pug groups, have people drop after wave 2. There is always at least one. It's like people have lost that part of the community spirit. We all lift together.Why worry about what other people are doing? Instead worry about what you bring to the table. If you've ended up carrying the team in ESO and maintained a great S score, why not give yourself a reach around your shoulder and a pat on the back, complete with an Atta boy? Instead of worrying about what a Trinity is doing with a rank 0 weapon. I guarantee you that trin is keeping energy levels up for the DPS. As you have not mentioned what frame you were using, most likely not Saryn, then why are you complaining about contribution as yours would be negligible in comparison to Saryn, Volt or Equinox. People would be foolish not to take advantage of the affinity to be gained in the efficiency market of ESO. As I said, ESO is but one mode in many in Warframe.DPS frames are just about useless in Arbitrations, where tank frames shine. If you don't like how the ESO is played, change the way YOU play, or make your own group. The game works, sure it has its flaws, but you are worrying about something so TRIVIAL, it is sad. You've been playing for less than 2 years, and it shows you still do not appreciate the mechanics of the game, and why things are the way they are. Exactly what I am thinking. I am almost tired of reading similar posts about nerfing this frame/weapon/disposition complains because these players are bad at this game. And the same players keep posting these posts weekly. If DE listens to them, Warframe will be ruined. We need more voices like yours. Edited July 6, 2019 by George_PPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)deathwolfclaw666 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 In ESO and a few other modes I hate leechers. With that being said what we both would class as leeching differs. As long as the Trinity is about 30 and doing a good job contributing with healing and energy I don't care what level their weapon is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)SnakeLogic Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 (edited) Most of the public squads ive joined have 2-3 DPS, with everyone usually leveling weapons. I go there with a few unleveled weapons and still use Saryn all the time. I have no problems leveling all my stuff as long as im not the only DPS. Edited July 6, 2019 by (PS4)SpIitSnake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 2019-07-06 at 2:42 PM, George_PPS said: Exactly what I am thinking. I am almost tired of reading similar posts about nerfing this frame/weapon/disposition complains because these players are bad at this game. And the same players keep posting these posts weekly. If DE listens to them, Warframe will be ruined. We need more voices like yours. I never asked for anything other than a change of attitude when going into public missions, is useless to proyect what you may, or may not have read on other posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 22 hours ago, (PS4)SpIitSnake said: I have no problems leveling all my stuff as long as im not the only DPS. Exactly, but you say it in such a way that it seems common for you to get another DPS, if that's the case for you, im glad youre so lucky, but I have to regularly restart squad 3 times to find another DPS, that is what i'm pissed about. On 2019-07-06 at 3:55 AM, CuChulainnWD said: Kaizal, you're complaining about one single game mode out of many. So I need to complain about the entire game or nothing at all? What is the point o this comment? On 2019-07-06 at 3:55 AM, CuChulainnWD said: She operates far better singularly, soloing the DPS role than sharing it with a Volt or and Equinox. Kinda like how we used to gain fast affinity to level weapons etc before the changes. She operates well singularly at waves 0-10 then she is better off with an equinox but whatever. I'm going to assume you're referring to those ranges. But again, what does this have to do with anything? On 2019-07-06 at 3:55 AM, CuChulainnWD said: Old school WF etiquette was everyone would at least stay the 20 waves, or what is 8 now regardless if their weapon or frame was complete, so that everyone could still enjoy the Tenno Affinity boost and spawn rate. Today it is nothing to see pug groups, have people drop after wave 2. There is always at least one. It's like people have lost that part of the community spirit. We all lift together. Same question, what is the point of this, the change in community spirit also pisses me off, but that is clearly not what the post is about, at this point it seems like you love ranting without care for the initial post. On 2019-07-06 at 3:55 AM, CuChulainnWD said: Why worry about what other people are doing? Instead worry about what you bring to the table. If you've ended up carrying the team in ESO and maintained a great S score, why not give yourself a reach around your shoulder and a pat on the back, complete with an Atta boy? Instead of worrying about what a Trinity is doing with a rank 0 weapon. I guarantee you that trin is keeping energy levels up for the DPS. As you have not mentioned what frame you were using, most likely not Saryn, then why are you complaining about contribution as yours would be negligible in comparison to Saryn, Volt or Equinox. People would be foolish not to take advantage of the affinity to be gained in the efficiency market of ESO. As I said, ESO is but one mode in many in Warframe. You guessed wrong, i'm using Saryn, but again that's not relevant. I have not a single problem with them taking advantage, what I have a problem with is them not sharing back anything. Since I use Saryn btw, I can keep my energy lvls up to top by myself, i'm using a 265% range(didn't unlock the xilus for 280%), 194% str, and 45% eff, and around 73% duration. Just use Vazarin and Rage, with Adaptation to not die, and I can effectively keep my energy lvls topped off at all times without dying, but even if I was low on energy at all times, is not like Saryn needs it at all, but again, none of this is relevant to the point. Also its hard to pat myself in the back, when I look at the end of the mission, that all my weapons are the same lvl, and I realize I just wasted my time carrying useless leechers, that doesn't happen to me anymore tho cuz I ditch them. On 2019-07-06 at 3:55 AM, CuChulainnWD said: DPS frames are just about useless in Arbitrations, where tank frames shine. If you don't like how the ESO is played, change the way YOU play, or make your own group. The game works, sure it has its flaws, but you are worrying about something so TRIVIAL, it is sad. You've been playing for less than 2 years, and it shows you still do not appreciate the mechanics of the game, and why things are the way they are. I honestly fail to grasp the concept of bragging about playtime, or for how long you have played the game, implying that somehow experience equals competence. Also if its trivial to you awesome, I don't care either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 2019-07-06 at 4:41 AM, PatternistSlave said: A Trinity isn't useful to a squad? How about you try playing the game for more than a week before you decide to start criticizing the gameplay of others. That goes for all the rest of you upset by "leechers". If you're not bringing a frame that can solo to round 8 that's your problem. Anyone who's played ESO on public any reasonable amount knows it's a requirement because even the most tryhard rarely stay past round 5 or so. You are effectively shooting yourself in the foot by claiming that I should be able to go to wave 8 by myself, since in that case the trinity would most definitely be useless. I can go myself to wave 10 by myself, that's WHY the trinity is useless, if she does no dmg, the only factor that actually depends on my teammates in ESO(weapon XP) goes down to 0. Effectively making the trinity 100% useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 23 hours ago, (PS4)deathwolfclaw666 said: In ESO and a few other modes I hate leechers. With that being said what we both would class as leeching differs. As long as the Trinity is about 30 and doing a good job contributing with healing and energy I don't care what level their weapon is. Interesting position, I have no idea how much your playtime is so i'm not gonna guess, but at some point in the game you can do all that by yourself, effectively rendering the trinity useless. That's why I dislike her and non-DPS being used in ESO, because the only contribution they can make to me(weapon XP), they do not. Anyways, i'm not gonna say that the lvl of leeching between a Trinity and an Inaros is completely null, attitude-wise, but reward wise to me, it most definitely makes 0 difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 2019-07-06 at 2:37 PM, George_PPS said: Why should this be an issue? There are always players doing ESO just to get XP and another X mission just to get other stuff quick. If you want to do a complete 8 zones of ESO, you need to hire or join a squad that wants to do 8 zones. It’s good for you if you can carry the entire squad. There are many players wanting to nerf your gears, frames, weapons because you are too powerful and steal too many kills from them. I never said I wanted to go 8 zones, when I do want to go 8 zones for a chance at the ephemera I still haven't gotten, I can go solo with no issues, or with a squad if I wanna be monumentally lazy. I don't mind them getting xp from me, as long as they are also giving some of it back, if not all they are doing effectively is nothing, other than making me have more ping. If I have less that around 70% of the total dmg, im satisfied, but when im 100% of the dmg, it shows a selfishness from my team that pisses me off, even more than getting 0 wep XP. Also, note that I suggested not a single change to the game, just a change in the attitude of the players towards their squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 2019-07-06 at 11:55 AM, kwlingo said: Trinity can helps lots with the team healing and energy to keep spamming Saryn, Mesa, Equinox, and all frames abilities. 🙂 Id rather have Trinity than a Atlas for ESO ahahah I would do aswell, but playing as the DPS, and being able to solo the waves, what I want from my team is some weapon xp, since its the only reward that I get, that depends on them knowing how xp works, and not being asses about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 2019-07-06 at 1:50 AM, Klaleara said: I'd rather have leechers in ESO, than people constantly just doing 5 waves in Defense missions. Drives me nuts. Both drive me nuts, but I think they have the same root. That root would be player who don't give a single #*!% about what other players want to get from the mission, not in the slightest. I have gone to wave 8 in ESO when I didn't need to and all, and done some other stuff where I didn't get rewarded at all, just so my team wouldn't completely screwed over, but apparently, not taking advantage of everyone and everything is something you can only ask from recruit squads from what i've been reading in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizal Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 On 2019-07-06 at 3:29 AM, Oreades said: Yup, it continues to perplex me that this concept is somehow exceedingly foreign to people. "Hey I just clicked to join a random group but I don't like the group I got, better complain on the forums" Its foreign to people because it makes no damn sense, if you're unable to get a good squad without going trough 2-10 mins of searching for a squad, there is something going wrong, but hey if you love recruiting for everything, go right ahead, just don't pretend its a solution. Also where else are you gonna complain about something not working, public chat? On 2019-07-06 at 3:29 AM, Oreades said: Naaaah I'm gonna read your thing cause I find it amusing. If you find it amusing, and you read it, its because you wanted to read it, making sense 101. On 2019-07-06 at 3:29 AM, Oreades said: Naaaah I'm gonna read your thing cause I find it amusing. Especially the part where you simultaneously confirm with one breath that "I literally don't need my team" while crying in the next that "my team is leeching". Exactly, you are almost getting the point, I don't need my team, so what would I want a team for should be the next question you should ask yourself. It's pretty easy to conclude the reason I want a team is because of weapon XP(since every other possible reward I can get solo, and no one likes lag), that was implied in the initial post, many people were able to extract that information from the initial post, but you seem to have gone completely off track. On 2019-07-06 at 3:29 AM, Oreades said: Everything.....Like literally all you said was They had the audacity to play as a Trinity They brought a Rank Zero weapon *shocked face* That tells the class virtually nothing, it's missing pretty much every bit of important context. It told "the class" as you called it, all it needed to know, many people were able to deduce what I spelled out for you 2 sentences ago. How much more context do you need? Its a Trin, ergo it will do virtually no dmg by comparison, no matter what fancy weapons she brings, she brings a rank 0 weapon, ergo she wants weapon xp. All this boils down to a person that wants a benefit from the mission that at the same time is not willing to give to his/her teammates. Also you implied I needed to bring forward evidence, not more context, those are 2 different things. On 2019-07-06 at 3:29 AM, Oreades said: I dunno maybe playing long enough has mellowed me to the point that all I ever expect from a pub is for them to show up to the party and at least try to shoot something in the face maybe. Honestly a bit surprised at your rank that you haven't cued into the fact that in Warframe you are generally carried or you carry, there are very few instances where it is equal contribution across the board. You keep saying what I saw was not leeching but fail to produce an actual definition of what leeching means in your world, when its blatantly clear what I mean by it. Also you keep saying I should have made a case that amounted to whatever it is that you consider leeching, I need not to do such a thing, if you don't like what I consider to be leeching and think its a detriment to the game, JUSTIFY it, instead of whining and saying that basically because of my existence the game is worse off. On 2019-07-06 at 3:29 AM, Oreades said: Maybe cause I'd actually like a report button in game for the few instances where I've had people actually leech so far as to be a detriment to the mission but know it's never going to happen because people are incapable of identifying actual leeching behavior, case in point. Even assuming that they where actually strait up leeching in a manor that was either egregiously blatant or actually detrimental to your mission, you completely failed to mount any argument to that effect let alone a convincing one. Again I was unable to detect, what YOU consider to be leeching, it's almost as if you expect me to read your mind and know how you define every word. By my definition of leeching, that I will spell out since it seems that is hard for you to grasp: "A behavior that makes it harder for their teammates to get the rewards they desire, often associated with neglecting to fulfill a useful role in the mission, but not tied to it." Your definition of leeching seems to be more in the lines of(I could be wrong, correct me by providing a definition if you care to): "No attempt whatsoever to be useful in a mission, minimizing effort and relying on the teammates to do everything for them" If that's your definition you are talking about the worse kind of scum in the game the way I see it, and you most definitely should be able to kick them, I don't think you should be able to kick leachers by my definition, since of course their uselessness could be due to ignorance and not negligence. That's the same reasoning I apply to kickbot giving a freaking warning before kicking people, its very hard to prove negligence, AFKing is very solid grounds for it tho, a useless pick not so much, but I think a change of attitude from player would be nice. If I were to suggest an actual change to DE for this, is to make it so they matchmake people who have a history of doing 0 dmg together, and people who have a history of doing more dmg together(for ESO), that way if you want to leech, you have to let others leech off you aswell, but no, I agree with you on this one, this is not worthy of a kick or a suspension of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oreades Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 42 minutes ago, Kaizal said: It's pretty easy to conclude the reason I want a team is because of weapon XP(since every other possible reward I can get solo, and no one likes lag), that was implied in the initial post, many people were able to extract that information from the initial post, but you seem to have gone completely off track. Soooooo your whole complaint........ is that someone else brought a Trinity (useful frame btw) to level their weapons (in a mission type that is good for lvling gear) and your problem with that is that it infringed on your own weapon leveling *cough* leeching *cough* so you started a thread complaining about leeching? Hold on I gotta get something to cut through all this irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuChulainnWD Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Kaizal said: Exactly, but you say it in such a way that it seems common for you to get another DPS, if that's the case for you, im glad youre so lucky, but I have to regularly restart squad 3 times to find another DPS, that is what i'm pissed about. So I need to complain about the entire game or nothing at all? What is the point o this comment? She operates well singularly at waves 0-10 then she is better off with an equinox but whatever. I'm going to assume you're referring to those ranges. But again, what does this have to do with anything? Same question, what is the point of this, the change in community spirit also pisses me off, but that is clearly not what the post is about, at this point it seems like you love ranting without care for the initial post. You guessed wrong, i'm using Saryn, but again that's not relevant. I have not a single problem with them taking advantage, what I have a problem with is them not sharing back anything. Since I use Saryn btw, I can keep my energy lvls up to top by myself, i'm using a 265% range(didn't unlock the xilus for 280%), 194% str, and 45% eff, and around 73% duration. Just use Vazarin and Rage, with Adaptation to not die, and I can effectively keep my energy lvls topped off at all times without dying, but even if I was low on energy at all times, is not like Saryn needs it at all, but again, none of this is relevant to the point. Also its hard to pat myself in the back, when I look at the end of the mission, that all my weapons are the same lvl, and I realize I just wasted my time carrying useless leechers, that doesn't happen to me anymore tho cuz I ditch them. I honestly fail to grasp the concept of bragging about playtime, or for how long you have played the game, implying that somehow experience equals competence. Also if its trivial to you awesome, I don't care either way. Clearly you do not know how the game mechanics work. You know going into a match as Saryn or any other DPS, especially where efficiency is on the clock, that you run the risk of being the singular DPS, why bother taking weapons in to level? The single game mode where Saryn shines, also comes with other costs, you gain Focus, but no weapon affinity, unless you're willing to melee. You sir are cutting your nose off to spite your face. Just because you as Saryn need little energy does not mean a potential volt or Equinox does not. You sir are being intellectually dishonest. You know precisely why I made those points. You are just hell bent on *@##$ing for the sake of *@##$ing. If you don't like the game mode, go try all the other modes that may offer what you are looking for. FFS man. Get a grip. I will spell it out for you, as all vets have been well aware of for the past 5-7 years, if YOU want weapon affinity, then DO NOT play a DPS frame. Go as support like the Trinity did. Very simple concept. Learn to accept it. It is not going to change for you. If you want to farm Focus, then you should be happier than a pig in poop. If you want your ego stroked, and get all the kills, there yeh go, but then you might have the nerve to gripe that people are not contributing... until they start "stealing" your kills. If you want another DPS in your squad to "leech" from, then go to recruit chat, you've been told several times that is an option open to you. Good grief man, you really do like making things difficult for yourself. Personally, I find sharing kills with a volt to be a pain in the ass, as it affects efficiency. I've explained that reasoning earlier in this thread. If you use a spore/Toxic lash build, then everyone can contribute to spore spread with melee attacks. It still would result in a negligible kill count contribution on their part, but they are still contributing. There are more to the results you get at end screen than you clearly understand. Hence your failure to comprehend how competence is based on time played. It is a massive difference to a person who is MR 27 with less than a 1000 hrs in to that of someone with 3.5K and up. You clearly demonstrate your ignorance of game mechanics. As a side note to your build, you would be better off with 139 power strength, max out your range, and put one duration mod in, primed continuity. Use your toxic lash, with just one squirt of spores, you can go quite a while before recharging them as you melee like a mad man. Something tells me you like the #4 too much. It also sounds like you are intimidated by a simple built in means to solve all of your problems. I will help you. You can cut and paste this into recruit chat for future: If you wish to host: H ESO 8 waves LF Volt/Equinox, EV and a Buff/Leech. Or you can go with Saryn LF ESO x8. Very easy to get into groups that will give you exactly what you want. Edited July 7, 2019 by CuChulainnWD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibmobello Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) I am not an expert but the few times i had 3 unranked weapons with a saryn a volt or equinox or whatever in the squad, after 8 rounds i i had almost all weapons at level 30. Edited July 7, 2019 by bibmobello Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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