S.Dust Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 I use one riven, it's my vectis riven and its been nerfed and while I am sad I just slotted in point strike and life goes on but now the riven is just bad. I don't agree with the nerf but that's a side thing. Can we talk about the fact that the riven market is the ONLY reason rivens even need changes. It is purely to shake the market, we all know there are weapons that can be used without a riven and still be far better than most weapons even if they had a riven. If the market wasn't so riven driven we wouldn't be getting changes to them and we could all like out happy lives. Can we just make them untradable and go back to life before rivens ruled the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senedar Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Rivens where always intended to be rebalanced every now and then, yes, rivens are a failure, trying to "balance" the game with RNG is beyond poor, but nerfing/buffing them is unrelated to the market, was always intended to be that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BansheePrime Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 The only issue is that for some reason weapon disposition is set by popularity not strength. which causes the added bonus of disposition changing whenever popularity changes instead of being static like that weapons stats, unless a weapon itself gets rebalanced anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvelous_A Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) I just don't understand why they are not giving changes to melee rivens too. I know they are waiting for melee 3.0 but it has been 2 years and it still is nowhere to be seen. Like seriously I'm tired of how my Galatine get outclassed by Gram Prime yet it's having 0.5 disposition opposed to Gram's 1.5. That's stupid. Edited July 7, 2019 by Marvelous_A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Kruemel- Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 riven changes ? is this right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Dust Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 Why nerf weapons in a pve game something will always oneshot and being honest the vectis prime was never some all powerful weapon. ;-; im just sad and salty not gonna lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 at least you admitted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Dust Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 1 minute ago, (PS4)Yes-Man-Kablaam said: at least you admitted it. Why wouldn't I be I literally use only one riven and now it sucks so now the entire system basically is just empty space to me. I already hated getting kuva because I wouldn't use it. I did end up rerolling the riven hoping by some stupid amount of luck the numbers would go up and I would get the same riven effects but no luck ;-; . Either way if you're not a riven seller or super interested in every weapon in the game and only like a few weapons the riven system as a whole is just a pain in the ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Demon Intellect Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Personally I wish theyd just figure out a new way to balance Rivens. 'Its popular so let's nerf it!' Is dumb. It has led to stuff like the viper riven being nerfed. The #*!%ing single viper. Edited July 7, 2019 by (XB1)Demon Intellect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)Yes-Man-Kablaam Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, S.Dust said: Why wouldn't I be I literally use only one riven and now it sucks so now the entire system basically is just empty space to me. I already hated getting kuva because I wouldn't use it. I did end up rerolling the riven hoping by some stupid amount of luck the numbers would go up and I would get the same riven effects but no luck ;-; . Either way if you're not a riven seller or super interested in every weapon in the game and only like a few weapons the riven system as a whole is just a pain in the ass. or if you just casually dip your toes in it's pretty fine too. today i just rolled a torid riven and i'm like #*!% it i'll see what i can get out of it. and then i roll it like 10 times max and if i get something i like i keep it and play with a weapon. if you do it in moderation it's a fine system (though i feel they shouldn't be tradeable) and your riven is still added power on the weapon as a whole so what's the problem honestly. i hit kill at 5 million damage or 6 million damage. relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 The only failure of the system was DE not following their intents from day one and letting them sit for such a long period of time untouched. Ultimately giving players the entirely wrong impression of them. The game isn't "balanced" around them and Rivens themselves aren't solely balanced around popularity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Dust Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 Just now, (PS4)Yes-Man-Kablaam said: or if you just casually dip your toes in it's pretty fine too. today i just rolled a torid riven and i'm like #*!% it i'll see what i can get out of it. and then i roll it like 10 times max and if i get something i like i keep it and play with a weapon. if you do it in moderation it's a fine system (though i feel they shouldn't be tradeable) and your riven is still added power on the weapon as a whole so what's the problem honestly. i hit kill at 5 million damage or 6 million damage. relax. The vectis has a bunch of require mods and honestly with the stats as low as they are now on the riven its better to use a regular mod overall, also I just don't care for other weapons I enjoy snipers and the reason I got with the vectis over other snipers is due to its hud it has an extra circle around its center point and my eyes kinda keep up a bit better than with the ribico if that makes any sense it also has a fast reload which was cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.Dust Posted July 7, 2019 Author Share Posted July 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, trst said: The only failure of the system was DE not following their intents from day one and letting them sit for such a long period of time untouched. Ultimately giving players the entirely wrong impression of them. The game isn't "balanced" around them and Rivens themselves aren't solely balanced around popularity. Id have to disagree on the not balanced on solely popularity part because you see some REALLY weak weapons get their dispositions nerfed and nerfing by popularity is the only thing that makes sense if they do dumb stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trst Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, S.Dust said: Id have to disagree on the not balanced on solely popularity part because you see some REALLY weak weapons get their dispositions nerfed and nerfing by popularity is the only thing that makes sense if they do dumb stuff like that. Weak relative to what; the actual game or meta weapons? Of all the weapons that got Riven nerfs in this pass that could be considered weak to the game all had dispositions above 1.2 out of 1.55, these Rivens are still powerful. Also there are high usage weapons that didn't receive any nerfs; the Khom still isn't getting nerfed and even the Fulmin managed to avoid a nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illithar Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Marvelous_A said: I just don't understand why they are not giving changes to melee rivens too. I know they are waiting for melee 3.0 but it has been 2 years and it still is nowhere to be seen. Like seriously I'm tired of how my Galatine get outclassed by Gram Prime yet it's having 0.5 disposition opposed to Gram's 1.5. That's stupid. My understanding is they will not be adjusting melee rivens until after Melee 3.0 is fully in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(XBOX)Almighty Deity Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 2 hours ago, BansheePrime said: The only issue is that for some reason weapon disposition is set by popularity not strength. which causes the added bonus of disposition changing whenever popularity changes instead of being static like that weapons stats, unless a weapon itself gets rebalanced anyway. Yes and no. While 95% this is true, exceptions can and will be made if it completely kills the weapon. They've acknowledged this with the Kohm I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c.BOLTSON Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Ive played this game since the early days. I know very little about rivens, ive not done hardly any of the endgame content ive not even found my favourite builds for the base frames ive had for years let alone all the new stuff. You kids must have too much time on your hands, either that or im just missing out on so much of the game that I should be doing. Instead of running survivals and defences all the time. I just like messing about too much in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(PSN)robotwars7 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 careful, this post might trigger the Riven mafia. aw shish, here they come now.. *tenno pulls up in an all-black Liset, they get out and reveal their Limbo prime, holding a regular Stradavar. in an Italian-American accent he says* "ey, this mook better not be talking back to our family! you better show some respect when you talk about our business, capiche? otherwise you'll find a Kubrow's head next to you when you wake up tomorrow!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_PPS Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 5 hours ago, S.Dust said: Id have to disagree on the not balanced on solely popularity part because you see some REALLY weak weapons get their dispositions nerfed and nerfing by popularity is the only thing that makes sense if they do dumb stuff like that. Please also voice your opinion in Feedback - Weapons. There is a thread about Riven enthusiasts. We need to ask DE to stop nerfing Rivens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldain Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 I know I shouldn't indulge in schadenfreude, but the absolute SALT from the Riven changes is just too laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
--Vampires_SE7EN Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 6 hours ago, S.Dust said: Why nerf weapons in a pve game something will always oneshot and being honest the vectis prime was never some all powerful weapon. ;-; im just sad and salty not gonna lie. why nerf you ask huh? so they can add another power creep weapon (like fulmin for example which trash.unrolled rivens was selling for 1-1.5k still to this day) and make you buy plats with real money then buy the new power creep weapon?! its so dirty stuff DE doing these days i hope the dont destroy the game veteren fan base Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibmobello Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 23 minutes ago, (PS4)robotwars7 said: careful, this post might trigger the Riven mafia. aw shish, here they come now.. *tenno pulls up in an all-black Liset, they get out and reveal their Limbo prime, holding a regular Stradavar. in an Italian-American accent he says* "ey, this mook better not be talking back to our family! you better show some respect when you talk about our business, capiche? otherwise you'll find a Kubrow's head next to you when you wake up tomorrow!" it's written "capisci" or with sicilian slang "capisti"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulden Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Rivens are a double dipping loot box, you pay, they nerf, you pay again. Spoiler That free plat ain't free my fellow Tenno, cash cows and whales are the reason you can trade. I dont spend a dime on them, if aint free from Gift of Lotus, I don't use it. If it gets nerfed I lost nothing more than 20 minutes of my time. Edited July 7, 2019 by Souldend78 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terenor Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Best Riven is no Riven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numerikuu Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 "My Riven got nerfed therefore Rivens are a failure." That's pretty much what I got out of OP's post. Yes, it sucks, but there's 584379387589353894735895 other weapons to play with, and said rivens have revived weapons that were once tossed to the wayside. It's not a perfect system, but it's better than how things were before. If it weren't for rivens I'd be using a lot less weapons than I currently do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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