Sorry... but if saryn is getting nerfed, then it’s only fair Gara’s God Nuke and Frost’s Avelanch goes too, dispite it being less popular.

[(PSN)FK2P]

DE Nerf stuff that’s popular, saryn isn’t popular, ha, but still casuals complain about her, so here’s a list of things that can clear HUGE areas faster and of a higher level than saryn can, so if you want to nerf saryn, you will have to nerf these too.

Frost’s Avalanche, built for range and damage, I have seen someone clear a 50 meter radius of level 70 enemies with this.

Gara’s Godmode Nuke, Not seen often, but when it does, BOY, you won’t see a single enemy for at least an hour in any defence, why? Look up this build on YouTube, the damage keeps building up every time her ability rotation is cycled, creating an enormous infinitely scaling bomb that can reach millions and millions of damage.

Octavia, I have a feeling that this warframe is one of the Dev’s favourites. Octavia just throws down all of her powers and goes invisible, then whilst AFK, the entire room dies at any level. If level 50000 enemies pump damage in, level 50000 enemies will be killed, and not a single one will be putting a single bullet anywhere other than that ball. So yeah. I’m calling it- that’s pretty OP.

Theres also mag, Oberon equinox and some other nukes but they are pretty lame compared to these monsters so I think they are safe.

*cough* “you can’t trivialise... a trivial part of the game, such as low level grinding” 🙂 happy hunting

Edited July 7, 2019 by (PS4)FK2P

[(PSN)cazazombies245]

Wait saryn is getting nerfeo?

[Blexander]

DE doesn't nerf frames/abilities because they're "OP", "do too much damage" or are "popular". They nerf them because a very small, very vocal minority cries, whines and complains about them using the reasons I mentioned (i.e. Ember, who got nerfed because she can kill low-mid level trash with ease and through walls... hmmmm 🤔🤔🤔).

If a frame trivializes a big chunk of the game, it warrants a nerf. If not, no reason for a nerf. Let the babies cry.

Any kind of complaint directed towards a frame for doing too much damage or whatever, is from entitled players who complain because it's not them doing said damage. Personally, I think Octavia might be OP because she can do so many thing well, but I don't know if it trivializes mission, at least, as far as I know.

[(PSN)FK2P]

Damn babies keep on crying hahahaha

[(PSN)FK2P]

9 minutes ago, Blexander said:

DE doesn't nerf frames/abilities because they're "OP", "do too much damage" or are "popular". They nerf them because a very small, very vocal minority cries, whines and complains about them using the reasons I mentioned (i.e. Ember, who got nerfed because she can kill low-mid level trash with ease and through walls... hmmmm 🤔🤔🤔).

If a frame trivializes a big chunk of the game, it warrants a nerf. If not, no reason for a nerf. Let the babies cry.

Any kind of complaint directed towards a frame for doing too much damage or whatever, is from entitled players who complain because it's not them doing said damage. Personally, I think Octavia might be OP because she can do so many thing well, but I don't know if it trivializes mission, at least, as far as I know.

Don’t even get me started on how old and trash ember is, it’s a joke at this point hahaha. She needs a COMPLETE overhaul of all of her abilities.

[Above]

23 minutes ago, (PS4)FK2P said:

DE Nerf stuff that’s popular

Stopped reading there.

[LSG501]

There is nothing wrong with frost avalanche.... there are far more damaging abilities than that..

Saryn isn't actually that strong on normal maps, it's only on high levels and/or small maps, ie onslaught, that she's super strong.

 

[(XBOX)GearsMatrix301]

Nerf Revenant. The way people talk about him he clearly deserves it.

Edited July 7, 2019 by (XB1)GearsMatrix301

[Guest]

Whining about the Nerf Whine ... kinda doesn't make the Nerf Whine stop.

Because there is a very select segment on people who will rag on Saryn or anything similar thanks to their narrow minded, self entitled definition of fun that has to take the place of all's opinions. No disagreement allowed.

You know, "that guy" on the pub match who dictates as though it is an invite only. Or the other guy who loves Epeen but also refuses to work for damage.

I may hate Nerfs, but does this thread have a purpose outside of Metacomplaint?

Edited July 7, 2019 by Guest

[Blexander]

Just now, (PS4)FK2P said:

Don’t even get me started on how old and trash ember is, it’s a joke at this point hahaha. She needs a COMPLETE overhaul of all of her abilities.

Don't get ME started. Ember is my most used frame. My favorite. I know her in and out, and I have nothing but hate and disdain for the "special" people who managed to ruin her. I don't mind with a progressive increase in energy cost, I could've lived with an increase in damage from low to high (until I learned how trash Heat damage is), but I CANNOT accept a decrease in range by 50% (base range at 100% is 7.5m, who's idea was that!?). All because some whiny babies couldn't just go solo for a mission or 2.

Everybody sane agrees that she needs a complete rework. Seeing as it took years for Wukong to get one after Pablo said he would work on him (but then did), and that Vauban STILL has received no love, just a vague "it's coming", it gives me no hope for an Ember rework in the next several years.

[Guest]

Just now, Blexander said:

it gives me no hope for an Ember rework in the next several years.

DE will probably just release a sun frame that does the same thing as pre nerf ember and call it a day.

[Blexander]

Just now, Datam4ss said:

DE will probably just release a sun frame that does the same thing as pre nerf ember and call it a day.

You mean like how they made Wisp's 4 so it can effectively take a massive dump on Ember's whole existence? Yeah, I can see that happening.

And about Wisp's 4: How the #*!% does the Sun cause corrosion? I know it's a buff from her 1, but seriously, it should deal magnetic procs. I feel like they gave her corrosive procs just so she can handle heavily armored enemies, which I hate.

[DeMonkey]

4 minutes ago, Datam4ss said:

 but does this thread have a purpose outside of Metacomplaint?

It serves to show that people are exactly the same on both sides, and that those who want nerfs aren't the only ones who "cry" or have a very "self entitled definition of fun" that they use to dictate how things should be, no disagreements allowed.

[Lazarow]

44 minutes ago, (PS4)FK2P said:

 you will have to nerf these too.

Stop rigth there criminal scum, you comitted crimes against Tenno and their people, what say in your defense?

[Pizzarugi]

Why are we talking as if Saryn is getting nerfed? Did DE mention that they're finally going to look at her capability of turning the game into a walking simulator with her press-4-to-win playstyle or something?

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

It serves to show that people are exactly the same on both sides, and that those who want nerfs aren't the only ones who "cry" or have a very "self entitled definition of fun" that they use to dictate how things should be, no disagreements allowed.

Complaining about complainers is stupid, but I don't see how that makes one similar to the latter group of complainers, TBH.

It's a different kind of time wasting and stupidity.

Although fair enough, it still wastes time and is stupid.

Edited July 7, 2019 by Guest

[Blexander]

7 minutes ago, DeMonkey said:

It serves to show that people are exactly the same on both sides

What about us radical centrists who just want the game to be as balanced as possible, where a frame doesn't get drastically nerfed or buffed?

[DeMonkey]

1 minute ago, Datam4ss said:

Complaining about complainers is stupid, but I don't see how that makes one similar to the latter group of complainers, TBH.

Because whilst the thread is a meta complaint, it's content reaks of the very stuff you listed.

1 minute ago, Blexander said:

What about us radical centrists who just want the game to be as balanced as possible, where a frame doesn't get drastically nerfed or buffed?

In order for that to happen then many things will need to be buffed/nerfed. Enemies, mods, weapons, frames etc.  Everything. It's a pipe dream.

[Pizzarugi]

1 minute ago, Blexander said:

What about us radical centrists who just want the game to be as balanced as possible, where a frame doesn't get drastically nerfed or buffed?

That's not possible when there's already imbalances that require either nerfs or buffs to happen. Saryn was in the absurdly broken range of frames since her AoEs do high amounts of damage with huge range and no LoS limitations, so nerfs need to happen.

Now, once the smoke clears and proper balance actually has happened, we could put limitations in the future where new content cannot go beyond a certain point in craziness, which would fit with what you're looking for.

[seprent]

7 minutes ago, AwkwardLazarow said:

Stop rigth there criminal scum, you comitted crimes against Tenno and their people, what say in your defense?

can i pay the fine?

[Blexander]

 

2 minutes ago, Pizzarugi said:

That's not possible when there's already imbalances that require either nerfs or buffs to happen.

I didn't mean that DE should make the balanced and NOT make major changes to many different parts of the game. I know it's nearly impossible to perfectly balance a game where new content gets added pretty regularly. Changes always have to be made as long as the game continues to evolve. I'd like the game to be in a place where you can look at a frame and go "Ok, it can do this, this, and this pretty good, this other frame can do this just as well, but in a different way" and not "You have to run this frame, and only this frame, to be able to do this specific mission". Flexibility and all that jazz.

[ZoneDymo]

"DE Nerf stuff that’s popular, saryn isn’t popular, ha, but still casuals complain about her"

No DE nerf's stuff that is OP, its popular, sadly, because its OP.
Saryn is MEGA populair, one of the most played frames in the game, what are you smoking?

Casuals dont complain about her, casuals PLAY her, those that dont want any challenge, just cast an ability and kill everything in that and adjacent rooms...

[selig_fay]

Well, DE will not nerf saryn. They will create more situations where all abilities will be useless. Good day. Inaros is power.

[TeaHawk]

1 hour ago, Blexander said:

DE doesn't nerf frames/abilities because they're "OP", "do too much damage" or are "popular". They nerf them because a very small, very vocal minority cries, whines and complains about them using the reasons I mentioned (i.e. Ember, who got nerfed because she can kill low-mid level trash with ease and through walls... hmmmm 🤔🤔🤔).

This. 
I have nothing against Saryn. I don't play her. But she's one of those at least useful frames in the game. You should maybe consider buffing other frames (like Ember) than nerfing one cuz of crybabies. The reality of the game is that only a small bunch of frames are good at high levels (100+) and by nerfing them you will do nothing but harm.

 

If DE keeps nerfing things like my favorite viper, or what ever else, I'm out. Thanks, stubid crybabies who want to ruin the other players pleasure. Today players are so lame, so jealous. Can't build their stuff — complain about others being op. That sucks hard m8

[ZoneDymo]

3 minutes ago, TeaHawk said:

This. 
I have nothing against Saryn. I don't play her. But she's one of those at least useful frames in the game. You should maybe consider buffing other frames (like Ember) than nerfing one cuz of crybabies. The reality of the game is that only a small bunch of frames are good at high levels (100+) and by nerfing them you will do nothing but harm.

 

If DE keeps nerfing things like my favorite viper, or what ever else, I'm out. Thanks, stubid crybabies who want to ruin the other players pleasure. Today players are so lame, so jealous. Can't build their stuff — complain about others being op. That sucks hard m8

Some assumptions there, its funny how you say others are "stubid crybabies" who want to ruin other players pleasure by asking for nerfs, considering the frame as is is ruining their fun.

You dont make a strong argument when you act like the world revolves around you.

Fact of the matter is that Saryin kills entire rooms and more while the rest just sits there with their thumb up their behinds, that is not fun but is how the game currently is.
This has nothing to do with Jalousy, you act as if Saryn is unobtainable but she isnt. I dont play Saryn simple because she is so boringly OP, same for Inaros, but at least Inaros does not clean rooms.

Also the game does not contain level 100+ enemies, you would have to push to get those levels and you would do so for no reason at all.
There are not better rewards, the orokin keys are no more, so frames should never be balanced towards being able to handle level 100+ as that usually means (unless dealing with percentage damage or so, or the way Octavia works) that the frames are massively OP for 99.9% of the game, or.... just the game.

(also Ember is still badass)